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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2017 20:22:30 GMT
Bring back Shepard or, at least, the old crew. In the good old milky way, the best sci-fi lore ever. Easy as pie. They disintegrated Shepard in a heavy-handed Space Jesus "The Shepard died for our sins" imagery and burned the galaxy in polychromatic "art" that we imply don't understand, even with "clarity and closure" Shepard's never coming back from that. Technically, you did that. Or rather, "a lot of players" did that, since IIRC you don't even like the options where Shepard disintegrates. If I had to bet, I'd bet that a plurality of players never picked those options.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 8, 2017 20:50:06 GMT
cdpr has a different approach to writing characters to this wouldn't really be a good fit, no matter how good it is. Obsidian? Same situation. BW was always more closer to JRPG's in that aspect. Only Harebrained Schemes/Shadowrun series, did something similar, and I'd say with better writing, less heavy exposition with much better flow of dialogue. Either way, a direct sequel to MEA using Ryder would not be the best option. At this point, they should do a MET remaster then do a hard reboot of the story and go from there. A MEA2 is just asking for trouble. When we talk about a hard reboot, what does that entail exactly? As disjointed as the overarching narrative we got is, I don’t see the point of going backward to redo it from the bottom up when that effort could just go towards a new ensemble, origin story and conflict instead of simply recycling components of the old games. If anything, creating new games with the exhumed corpses of the old roster seems like asking for just as much trouble too.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2017 21:45:20 GMT
They disintegrated Shepard in a heavy-handed Space Jesus "The Shepard died for our sins" imagery and burned the galaxy in polychromatic "art" that we imply don't understand, even with "clarity and closure" Shepard's never coming back from that. Technically, you did that. Or rather, "a lot of players" did that, since IIRC you don't even like the options where Shepard disintegrates. If I had to bet, I'd bet that a plurality of players never picked those options. There is no ending where Shepard doesn't burn. There is no ending where the galaxy isn't transformed in a fundamental way. Bioware doubled down on these endings even as they refused to canonize anything. Bioware did that. Not me.
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Post by Hawke on Nov 8, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
I'd prefer a black screen and credits after the protagonist dies, instead of those epilogue slides. But it's rather unpopular opinion, I guess.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 8, 2017 22:51:39 GMT
Bring back Shepard or, at least, the old crew. In the good old milky way, the best sci-fi lore ever. Easy as pie. They disintegrated Shepard in a heavy-handed Space Jesus "The Shepard died for our sins" imagery and burned the galaxy in polychromatic "art" that we imply don't understand, even with "clarity and closure" Shepard's never coming back from that.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 9, 2017 0:02:36 GMT
Technically, you did that. Or rather, "a lot of players" did that, since IIRC you don't even like the options where Shepard disintegrates. If I had to bet, I'd bet that a plurality of players never picked those options. There is no ending where Shepard doesn't burn. There is no ending where the galaxy isn't transformed in a fundamental way. Bioware doubled down on these endings even as they refused to canonize anything. Bioware did that. Not me. "Burn" means.... what, exactly? Better than disintegrated, but I'm not sure what this is a metaphor for. Transforming the galaxy? Yep, sure. So?
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 9, 2017 0:20:59 GMT
Pick some destinations in the milky way that actually exist and build worlds and stories around them. The only destinations in the Milky Way that exist are within our own solar system. I guess you could just name the stars after real ones, but all of their planets would be entirely fictional.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 9, 2017 0:41:22 GMT
Pick some destinations in the milky way that actually exist and build worlds and stories around them. The only destinations in the Milky Way that exist are within our own solar system. I guess you could just name the stars after real ones, but all of their planets would be entirely fictional. Not true. As of November 1 2017, we know of 3,693 planets in 2,768 systems, with 620 systems having more than one planet in the Milky Way not counting our solar system.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2017 1:40:57 GMT
There is no ending where Shepard doesn't burn. There is no ending where the galaxy isn't transformed in a fundamental way. Bioware doubled down on these endings even as they refused to canonize anything. Bioware did that. Not me. "Burn" means.... what, exactly? Better than disintegrated, but I'm not sure what this is a metaphor for. Transforming the galaxy? Yep, sure. So? "Burn" as in, electrocuted, disintegrated, or walks into a fireball. As in, the setting (settings given there are several mutually exclusive outcomes) has drastically altered from the one players had been enjoying. But you know all this. Are you trolling?
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Post by HYR on Nov 9, 2017 4:14:03 GMT
"Burn" means.... what, exactly? Better than disintegrated, but I'm not sure what this is a metaphor for. Transforming the galaxy? Yep, sure. So? "Burn" as in, electrocuted, disintegrated, or walks into a fireball. As in, the setting (settings given there are several mutually exclusive outcomes) has drastically altered from the one players had been enjoying. But you know all this. Are you trolling? You two still arguing this, 5 years later....
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Post by Iakus on Nov 9, 2017 4:31:21 GMT
"Burn" as in, electrocuted, disintegrated, or walks into a fireball. As in, the setting (settings given there are several mutually exclusive outcomes) has drastically altered from the one players had been enjoying. But you know all this. Are you trolling? You two still arguing this, 5 years later.... He keeps asking me the same questions even after five years. This is why I wonder if he's trolling.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 9, 2017 5:02:16 GMT
You two still arguing this, 5 years later.... He keeps asking me the same questions even after five years. This is why I wonder if he's trolling. Even though I am one to talk, you don't have to answer.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 9, 2017 6:20:31 GMT
You two still arguing this, 5 years later.... He keeps asking me the same questions even after five years. This is why I wonder if he's trolling. 5 years in prison is a long time just for playing a game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 9:59:39 GMT
Pick some destinations in the milky way that actually exist and build worlds and stories around them. The only destinations in the Milky Way that exist are within our own solar system. I guess you could just name the stars after real ones, but all of their planets would be entirely fictional. no. check the latest NASA data. You'd be surprised.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 9, 2017 10:21:41 GMT
Definitely not by rehashing the old stories with more detailed textures. Not with only that. But it would be a superb short term solution. It's a certain thing that if a remaster was announced yesterday the atmosphere surrounding the franchise would be totally different than the one we have now. That's what Insomniac Games did with the first Ratchet and Clank and rebooted it and it was a success. And I believe they can do the same if it were done right and to regain the gamers trust.
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Post by mannyray on Nov 9, 2017 18:21:18 GMT
So Andromeda became a joke, isn't selling well and its lasting lagacy will be of a broken game. Not much you can do about that now, but the good news is there is hope for Mass Effect, EA. Hope inthe form of glorious remaster. Pick the trilogy up, remaster it in 4k and 60fps (or even 30 depending on the console), release it with all DLCs and more important than that CHANGE THE ENDINGS. Yes. That's the only way ME can come back from the grave. If it was up to me, there wouldn't have been a Extended Cut, I actually don't download it and my canon endings for ME3 are the original, but this isn't about me, well, it kinda is, it's about Mass Effect and how awesome it was and how it doesn't deserve to die like this. Rework the whole of priority Earth, make it the Suicide Mission 2.0 it should have been, and make the ending more pleasant. Let people be happy. Talk with Casey Hudson, he is an extremely talented developer, I'm sure he will agree with this. Maybe you can even keep the Starchild and the Reaper nonsense, people would have forgiven it if the aftermath was brighter. They would have then it will still do now. Best part is that this won't cost that much money and you even ask full price (just remember, ALL DLCs!). Do this very simple task right and ME will be back in strength. Then, you give Mass Effect to a very talented group of people and let them decide where to go from there. Easy peasy. Boy I'm glad you're not in charge of the future of Mass Effect.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 9, 2017 23:55:06 GMT
"Burn" means.... what, exactly? Better than disintegrated, but I'm not sure what this is a metaphor for. Transforming the galaxy? Yep, sure. So? "Burn" as in, electrocuted, disintegrated, or walks into a fireball. One of those things is not like the other two, of course. Factually, anyway; if you're just making a '"all three felt the same" play, that's coherent, but why cover up the substance with misleading rhetoric? Well, sure, I could just have pointed out above that the argument doesn't quite work work as written since the setting was transformed by ME3 before we ever got to the endings, and that all the work in the argument is being done by. assumptions about how settings can and can't be altered, which is something worth talking about. All the interesting stuff in the post was implicit, not explicit. I suppose we could just go ahead and always jump to the substantive issues rather than engage with the existing posts, though.
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Post by kalreegar on Nov 10, 2017 11:30:45 GMT
Bring back Shepard or, at least, the old crew. In the good old milky way, the best sci-fi lore ever. Easy as pie. They disintegrated Shepard in a heavy-handed Space Jesus "The Shepard died for our sins" imagery and burned the galaxy in polychromatic "art" that we imply don't understand, even with "clarity and closure" Shepard's never coming back from that. Shepard is easily alive and playable if a) they canonize high EMS destroy ending they do a prequel (nah) or a midquel c) they figure out some stupid space magic for control synthesis... something like "there is another mindless shep clone in cerberus lab, shepard essence is now spread everywhere, hey, the clone is now shepard " or "hey I'm the sheparlyst, a tecnological GOD, and so I decided to create an avatar with my personality/consciousness so I can walk around and having fun. I can do that, right?" Shepard can be a non playable but important character in d) control ending (imagine a dread-wolf trespasser dialogue between the sheparlyst and the new protagonist) e) destroy ending (he crashed on a planet from the space, and they bring him back to life... they can do it again) But bringing Shepard back is not necessary. It would be cool, but not necessary. What about the old crew and the milky way? Yes, they have to bring back liara, garrus, wrex and the normandy, if they want to revive the saga.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 10, 2017 11:45:08 GMT
So Andromeda became a joke, isn't selling well and its lasting lagacy will be of a broken game. Not much you can do about that now, but the good news is there is hope for Mass Effect, EA. Hope inthe form of glorious remaster. Pick the trilogy up, remaster it in 4k and 60fps (or even 30 depending on the console), release it with all DLCs and more important than that CHANGE THE ENDINGS. Yes. That's the only way ME can come back from the grave. If it was up to me, there wouldn't have been a Extended Cut, I actually don't download it and my canon endings for ME3 are the original, but this isn't about me, well, it kinda is, it's about Mass Effect and how awesome it was and how it doesn't deserve to die like this. Rework the whole of priority Earth, make it the Suicide Mission 2.0 it should have been, and make the ending more pleasant. Let people be happy. Talk with Casey Hudson, he is an extremely talented developer, I'm sure he will agree with this. Maybe you can even keep the Starchild and the Reaper nonsense, people would have forgiven it if the aftermath was brighter. They would have then it will still do now. Best part is that this won't cost that much money and you even ask full price (just remember, ALL DLCs!). Do this very simple task right and ME will be back in strength. Then, you give Mass Effect to a very talented group of people and let them decide where to go from there. Easy peasy. Boy I'm glad you're not in charge of the future of Mass Effect. Well, nobody is. But if I ever was in charge of the franchise, you can be sure I wouldn't have let it die in the fist place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 12:08:41 GMT
just cannonise the High EMS Destroy ending = instant win all around.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 10, 2017 16:28:11 GMT
The only destinations in the Milky Way that exist are within our own solar system. I guess you could just name the stars after real ones, but all of their planets would be entirely fictional. Not true. As of November 1 2017, we know of 3,693 planets in 2,768 systems, with 620 systems having more than one planet in the Milky Way not counting our solar system. While true, none of those planets hold any real meaning relative to fictional planets to the average gamer outside of our solar system.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 10, 2017 16:45:17 GMT
"Burn" as in, electrocuted, disintegrated, or walks into a fireball. One of those things is not like the other two, of course. Factually, anyway; if you're just making a '"all three felt the same" play, that's coherent, but why cover up the substance with misleading rhetoric? You're just splitting hairs. Whether someone dies from fire, electricity, or disintegrated by space magic, it's all different types of "burning" Yeah the setting changed, at least within Council Space and the Attican Traverse. But that didn't preclude settings beyond that, in the hundred billion or so other stars in the Milky Way. But the endings changed things everywhere in the galaxy. If it weren't for that, then arguably MEA could have been set within the Milky Way itself. But Bioware absolutely will not admit they screwed up.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 10, 2017 16:50:42 GMT
They disintegrated Shepard in a heavy-handed Space Jesus "The Shepard died for our sins" imagery and burned the galaxy in polychromatic "art" that we imply don't understand, even with "clarity and closure" Shepard's never coming back from that. Shepard is easily alive and playable if a) they canonize high EMS destroy ending they do a prequel (nah) or a midquel c) they figure out some stupid space magic for control synthesis... something like "there is another mindless shep clone in cerberus lab, shepard essence is now spread everywhere, hey, the clone is now shepard " or "hey I'm the sheparlyst, a tecnological GOD, and so I decided to create an avatar with my personality/consciousness so I can walk around and having fun. I can do that, right?" Shepard can be a non playable but important character in d) control ending (imagine a dread-wolf trespasser dialogue between the sheparlyst and the new protagonist) e) destroy ending (he crashed on a planet from the space, and they bring him back to life... they can do it again) But bringing Shepard back is not necessary. It would be cool, but not necessary. What about the old crew and the milky way? Yes, they have to bring back liara, garrus, wrex and the normandy, if they want to revive the saga. I agree bringing Shepard back is not necessary. And in fact future games will be better without Shepard even being mentioned. However: Canonizing any ending, even High EMS Destroy, won't win over everybody. In fact, I think a substantial portion of the audience would be p*ssed off. The audience by and large, doesn't want a prequel or a midquel. Rumor has i that was the original intent, but the idea polled badly. While Synthesis has enough space magic that Shepard might as well have been wearing a pointy cap with stars on it, is adding MORE magic really the answer? Didn't really work with MEA's Perpetual Motion Device Engines.
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Post by HYR on Nov 11, 2017 0:30:28 GMT
just cannonise the High EMS Destroy ending = instant win all around. YAAAAAAAA!!! Nothing says "win" like Shepard losing all his limbs.
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