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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 29, 2017 11:52:50 GMT
So 2/3 view MEA as one of the better games in the series. Good to know.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 29, 2017 11:57:41 GMT
Id put it in a same spot with ME3. Competing which one is the weakest game. Intrestingly, I cant really answer that, for now at least. Depending on what kind of dlc and patching MEA gets, it may win over or not.
They both have multiple flaws and both were rushed, but andromeda has so many glitches and bugs, it needs to be properly ironed out and give the full dlcs before i can make a fair comparison with the whoel ME3 package.
On a story side, with its generic villain and all that package, Id still put it a over ME2 main "plot", tough the characters arent as strong tough and theres no suicide mission, Bioware played it a little too safe. It also doesnt innovate enough imo. Intrestingly like ME2 this feels like a separate spin story, but in Andromedas case it makes kinda sense while in ME2 case that is a poor second acto to a trilogy which compounded its problems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 12:08:22 GMT
ME2, ME:A, ME:3 then ME1, but all games very close, I love the entire franchise! And, tbh, in scope ME:A is way more sophisticated than the second one, so I should probably be voting it first. But, well, Renegade and Thane make it. hard to chose.
Okay, read some responces, and changed to:
ME:A= ME2, ME3 and ME1
But then again, I also have a hard time seeing ME2 and 3 as different games, always splitting Trilogy as ME1 and ME2/3...
So, maybe it's more fair to say that...
andromeda = ME2/3 and then ME1.....
I am so happy I started gaming again, and I am really happy I have finally played the franchise last year. It's really awesome, and now Andromeda, yay!
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Post by degs29 on Mar 29, 2017 12:16:49 GMT
35 hours in, I'd score them this way:
1) Mass Effect 2: 9.6 2) Mass Effect 3: 9.3 3) Mass Effect A: 8.6 4) Mass Effect 1: 8.4
10 hours in I would have rated Andromeda at a 7.5, so clearly I feel it gets much better further in. I think the first time I literally said out loud "this is Mass Effect" was after I reached the third planet 15 hours in. It's sad that it takes that long to come to that realization, and that's obviously hurt the game significantly in its release media. So I'd suggest, if you're less than 15 hours in and finding things "okay" or better, stick around for another 15 and see what happens.
As of 35 hours, the biggest issues for me are the character animations (still), lackluster character models (particularly on Humans and Asari), and a crappy auto-save system in areas where you perplexingly can't save manually.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 29, 2017 12:23:18 GMT
For those of you who have played through a decent chunk of ME:A, where would you rank it in comparison to the other Mass Effect games? I'm not yet finished with ME:A (on Kadara), but so far I think I'd rank them ME3 > ME2 > ME:A > ME1. ME1 > ME2 > ME3 > MEA I enjoyed all of the first three, but in that order. ME1 is called boring, unoriginal, whatever... I thought it was brilliant, compelling, I explored every world and found everything, even though there weren't "achievements" for much of it. I was engrossed. ME2 was more of a shooter, and had the stupidest opening I have ever seen, as well as the stupidest end-game boss the gaming industry has ever seen. The stuff in-between? God-damned brilliant, Zaeed. ME3 was even less an RPG, more on rails, but the gameplay was tight and tense and the pace was phenomenal, until blah blah blah been discussed ad nauseum. I hated the ending, YMMV. I haven't bought MEA, and I might pirate it. Do you see the pattern?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 29, 2017 12:52:39 GMT
MEA is basically ME1 mixed with ME2. Not shocking at all. The problem is that it fails to mimic both those games strengths. It's a jack of all trades, mediocre at all. What strengths are those? MEA has its own strengths as well.
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Post by havox on Mar 29, 2017 13:01:25 GMT
On a story side, with its generic villain and all that package, Id still put it a over ME2 main "plot" Is it just me to whom Archon looks like a sad little monkey? Whenever he appears I just want to walk over and give him a hug, maybe give a banana and quietly snicker to myself, "Haha, primitives!". No?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 13:04:21 GMT
For those of you who have played through a decent chunk of ME:A, where would you rank it in comparison to the other Mass Effect games? I'm not yet finished with ME:A (on Kadara), but so far I think I'd rank them ME3 > ME2 > ME:A > ME1. ME1 > ME2 > ME3 > MEA I enjoyed all of the first three, but in that order. ME1 is called boring, unoriginal, whatever... I thought it was brilliant, compelling, I explored every world and found everything, even though there weren't "achievements" for much of it. I was engrossed. ME2 was more of a shooter, and had the stupidest opening I have ever seen, as well as the stupidest end-game boss the gaming industry has ever seen. The stuff in-between? God-damned brilliant, Zaeed. ME3 was even less an RPG, more on rails, but the gameplay was tight and tense and the pace was phenomenal, until blah blah blah been discussed ad nauseum. I hated the ending, YMMV. I haven't bought MEA, and I might pirate it. Do you see the pattern? I think you might be getting old and miss the sense of wonder you once had, heh. Take a break, and it might come back.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 29, 2017 13:04:30 GMT
ME2>ME1>>>>ME3>>>>>>>>>>MEA
1. Mass Effect 2: What can i say that hasnt been said. ME2 was the pinnacle of the series imo. It was good for the same reasons Deep Space 9 was good. It was the deep characters & their relationships, galactic ethics, the rich lived in universe with exspansive world building dripping in atmosphere, the smaller scale yet really compelling stories etc. Simply incredible and up there as one of the greatest games of all time. I loved every minute. And in again terms of world building, side quests, atmosphere and characters, the dialogue wheel(the most well done it ever was)... its the best. It was like a religious experience for me playing this game. The last good game Bioware made. I think in many ways ME2 its lightening in a bottle, kinda like Half Life 2, and why Valve will never do Half Life 3. It was a special moment in time never to recaptured. I'd go as far to say that Mass Effect 2 is what keeps the whole Mass Effect franchise going tbh, it wouldnt of had the popularity or the legs it currently has if not for this game. Though i do feel the stripped down inventory, lack of customisation is a negative. There was no need to pair it back. It simply need tweaking and re-doing.
2. Mass Effect: Now i love the story, music and atmosphere, its very well done, top notch, really draws one into its world and it makes up some for the rubbish gameplay. But its that subpar gameplay which also detracts massively from the game. Even by 2007 standards it was ass(special shout out to the planet exploration(if you can even call it that tbh)esp. It was terrible in ME1. Just because you could land on lotsa worlds(more teeny tiny tiiiiny barren areas)doesn't make it ME1 better or somehow more epic & authentic. This idea that epic = bigger is a fallacy. In ME1 all those bits of rock were just pointless, uniteresting bits of fluff, copy n pasted with no hand crafted detail, no variation it was tedious and boring. I think ME2 handled it better. Sure the universe was a bit smaller in a physical sense, but it was more varied, felt much more interesting place to explore, felt much more lived in/real and better realised too imo. No longer were there lots of repetitive copy n paste filler envioronmnets with the same "missions"(i use that word loosely), the same winding path(s) and just a dfferent procedurallly generated skybox. ME2 with its much more focused, way more varied and detailed hand crafted planet exploration was way better. Sure they were less planets to explore but it was quality over quantity(ME2 is like TESB of the series when compared to ME1 which is ANH). I digress... The combat was the worst. It didnt help that a short while prior in 2006 Gears had revolutionised TPS combat, combat really drags the game down as you spend so much time doing it. And in 2017 it verges on unplayable imo, but again that atmosphere is its saving grace.
3. Mass Effect 3: Superior, excellent gameplay(and sound design) to ME2 & ME1, but taken as a whole its a rushed mess. And its not just the ending either. Infact the ending in many is just the culmination of a series of things wrong with the game(ie too much auto-dialogue, too many shit tier fetch quests, crap writing, cut-down dialogue trees, hardly any meaty side missions, hardly any side missions where we got to land & explore(and not just collect some statue crap), only 1 hub, the characters misused/treated badly, multiplayer, Priority Earth/Poor missions overall, half-assed & rushed in many places etc). Only Rannoch and Tuchunka arcs are quality. Only the Tuchunka(and Rannoch, Quarian/Geth story) arcs are the only two redeeming things from ME3 imo. The whole Genophage arc was wonderfully well written, and it actually took your previous decisions into account. Combine that with the compelling characters(i adore Mordin.. to bad i had to kill him)... and its one of my favourite missions in the entire trilogy and in gaming as a whole too. Its superb. Everything that Mass Effect could be at its best is perfectly examplified by this mission. Now if only the rest of Mass Effect 3(and indeed Andromeda for that matter) were upto that same high standard.
Mass Effect Andromeda: Not a Mass Effect game in my eyes. Mass Effect in name only.
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 29, 2017 13:11:02 GMT
ME 2 ME A ME 3 ME 1
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Post by myalzalean on Mar 29, 2017 13:31:13 GMT
While I am still only about a third of the way through MEA here's how I currently rank the games:
1. ME2 - As an old school RPG nerd I wasn't a huge fan of how they "dumbed down" the character sheet, inventory system, and skill progression. I also wasn't too keen on universal cooldown and the limiting weapons on non-soldier classes as the non DLC weapons were woefully underwhelming. However, ME2 made the biggest improvements in the franchise with class defining skills like Charge, Tactical Cloak, Combat Drone, and Tech Armor. Once you factor in some really interesting loyalty missions and more dynamic gameplay ME2 outshines the rest of the games for me.
2. MEA - As stated above I am a role playing nerd and so far MEA has me in Nerdvana. I am actually really enjoying the open world exploring, the massive skill lists, scanning, R&D, breaking down equipment for resources, and crafting. To me MEA feels more like an RPG than ME2 or ME3 ever did. Where ME2 made the biggest improvement to the character classes, MEA makes the biggest improvement to the combat system, and why it ranks second on my list. I no longer feel like a well armed rat in a maze on every mission. The addition of open world combat and jump jets has taken the ME franchise to another level. I also believe the developers struck a happy medium between the long cool down times of ME1 and getting rid of the universal cooldown of ME2 and ME3. That isn't to say MEA doesn't have things I don't like such as the UI and menu system plus the FedEx questing model needs to die a horrible death in all games not just this one, but not enough for me to rank it lower.
3. ME1 - I can still fondly remember playing Mass Effect when it was only an XBox 360 exclusive, my how the franchise has grown. I have probably invested more time in the original than all of the other games combined so it was really a difficult decision to rank the game third overall. My biggest overall gripes with the game were the too long cooldowns on abilities and how some of the hybrid classes made some of the pure classes redundant. Insanity was also a joke in that it effectively just gave the bad guys more powerful weapons and immunity/barrier spam so it just took longer to kill them without putting much thought into changing your tactics so it felt more like a chore than anything. The biggest thing I enjoyed about ME1 was the loot in the crates and lockers were randomly generated. The old school Diablo player in me just loves seeing what drops. I'm really glad they brought that back for MEA versus the "go here to get this" weapon, armor or upgrade of ME2 and ME3. There are so many good things to say about the game I could go on and on but to summarize the original Mass Effect set a very high standard for the other games to try and improve upon.
4. ME3 - This installment of the franchise was the most dumbed down game of the lot from a roleplaying and character development standpoint. Not only did it remove exploration, vehicle combat, and loyalty missions from the game it also managed to make every "huge decision" made by Shepard in previous games seem completely trivial. It was like I carried over my character for an entire trilogy just to find out that nothing I did really mattered. Combat wasn't really enhanced in ME3 other than the combo system which somehow did the opposite and made encounters trivial and less interesting. Missions for the most part were go from point A to point B and kill all the things in between. The only reason I completed a second play through was for the Leviathan and Citadel DLC. To me the only redeeming quality for ME3 was that the Citadel DLC was probably the best DLC of the franchise so far.
So there are my rankings. I did my best to justify why I put the games where I did and as always there are just my personal observations and opinions.
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Post by Ieldra on Mar 29, 2017 13:48:11 GMT
I find this very hard to rank. I've really played the ME games excessively (apart from MEA, naturally), so I'm in a position to give a very, very informed ranking, but I find that ME1 and ME2 have retroactively been poisoned by ME3, so...this is hard.
There is also the very different ways all these games were good and bad. ME1 created the universe and it felt seamless and big. MEA has some of that as well. Also, I liked the way the weapons worked uniquely in ME1 and deeply resent the switch to "thermal clips" even after 7 years. So, ME1 really has a good spot in the ranking? Hmm...the visuals were crap, many sidequests same-y and ME1 really can't claim the top spot with regard to characters, which were better-written and presented in both sequels. On the other hand, ME2 didn't let me customize squadmate armor, and that bugged the hell out of me at the time, and most importantly it started the "drama over details" style and the tendency to play havoc with worldbuilding so it really can't claim the top spot either. ME3 - 'nuff said about that, superior gameplay and both characters and story actually weren't that bad but it was also the culmination of everything I didn't like in the other two games, it presented Shepard as canonically stupid for cheap drama and oh....the ending. So ME3 can't claim the top spot either.
So...MEA? Considering how much annoyance it already brought me I should say no, but it remains a contender in spite of everything, because there is some of that spirit of exploration I loved so much in ME1. ME1, perhaps, in spite of everything, since it was the only ME game that didn't disappoint me in something I consider very important: worldbuilding and world consistency. So...yeah, ME1 or MEA at the top rank, probably. I'll know better after I finished MEA.
Where are we now? OK, MEA and ME1 > ME2 and ME3. Given that I can't give a final rank to MEA since I haven't finished it yet, what about ME2 vs. ME3. Hard. Very hard. In the end, probably ME2 > ME3 in spite of everything that ME3 did right, because ME3 really poisoned the whole trilogy and it was such a huge disappointment in another thing I consider very important: that my protagonist makes sense and isn't stupid.
So, this is it for now: (MEA/ME1) > ME2 > ME3. Final rank for MEA vs. ME1 pending.
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Post by melisan on Mar 29, 2017 14:04:55 GMT
I am frankly loving MEA. Mostly because it was all that ME1 promised but didn't quite achieve. Yet, it's a bit lacking in one particular point, and that's the story. Why I always place ME1 above all others was because of Virmire and Sovereign. So, to rank
ME1 - MEA - ME3 - ME2
1. ME1: Best story. Unfortunately almost unreplayable at this age.
2. MEA: Best Exploration. Finally a MAKO that works.
3. ME3: Best Characters (only because it built upon the existing ones from ME1 and 2)
4. ME2: Worst story. Human Reaper? Collectors? What was the point of all that? Still. I love ME2 above most other games. Also nigh unreplayable. Try it. It's a bit dated.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Mar 29, 2017 14:09:39 GMT
ME2 > ME3 > ME:A = ME1
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Post by mastert on Mar 29, 2017 14:16:24 GMT
KOTOR 2 > KOTOR > ME1 > ME2 > ME3 > MEA
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 29, 2017 14:26:54 GMT
I have the fondest memories of ME2. Dunno why, probably nostalgia. But the combat and frankly the levity of the story is by far the best in MEA. Oh how I gleed when I encountered Zaeed's son in MEA! Blockbuster design is best in ME3. And ME1 had wrex. Tough choice. But I think top to bottom are my favorites.
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Post by Zatche on Mar 29, 2017 14:33:02 GMT
ME2/ME3/MEA > ME1
It's hard for me to rank 2, 3, and A, because they all have their own great parts about them. But also their own 'forehead hits desk' issues. Maybe that'll somewhat change when I finish Andromeda.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 29, 2017 15:10:00 GMT
People putting Andromeda above ME1 and ME2.... It wasn't that hard a decision for me. In fairness to ME1, it's a much older game and BioWare wasn't really adept at making shooters, and it was one of the first to go full on voiced characters with variable dialogue, so it at least deserves tons of respect. That being said, my issues throughout are so numerous that I couldn't rank it higher, and are even more so in ME2, which I regard as the most overrated title in the series by far.
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Post by Innocent Bystander on Mar 29, 2017 15:31:21 GMT
Either 1st or 2nd, it very much depends on how much fun multiplayer will be. Come think of it, second. THERE'S NO FRICKIN' CLAYMORE!
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Post by Nyx on Mar 29, 2017 15:39:27 GMT
I think I'm only about halfway through the game, but I'll still rate it based on what I've seen so far.
ME2 > ME1 > ME:A > ME3
2 is my favorite because of the strong characters, loyalty missions, and gameplay. There'd be no Mass Effect without 1, and I feel like it had the strongest story and most RPG elements so it's number 2. ME:A reminds me a lot of ME1, but I feel like the story isn't the strongest, and I don't feel as attached to the protagonist so it's third for me. ME3 is last for a lot of reasons, not just the ending, but the way it treated a lot of characters and romances, especially from ME2, and the way it oversexed the female characters. Yeah, it was a mess even though it had a strong story and fun gameplay elements.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 29, 2017 16:01:55 GMT
The problem is that it fails to mimic both those games strengths. It's a jack of all trades, mediocre at all. What strengths are those? MEA has its own strengths as well. ME1 - Story, world building, choices, and music. ME2 - Characters, fully fleshed out the setting, side missions, choices, music, and voice acting. The only high praise I can give Andromeda is its combat and vehicle gameplay. Everything else is either poorly done, or average and outdone by other games in the series. Exploration and side quests HAD the potential to be the best in the series, but are squandered by bad animation, poor - average writing, and mediocre voice acting. Walking into Club Afterlife on Omega for the first time, blew me away more than anything I experienced in Andromeda.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 29, 2017 16:11:35 GMT
ME2>ME3>ME1>MEA
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 29, 2017 16:19:15 GMT
Ask me a month from now when the novelty has worn off. Also will have to reevaluate again after all the DLC comes out.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by luketrevelyan on Mar 29, 2017 16:25:29 GMT
Currently it sits in 3rd place, behind ME2 and ME1. ME3 is a way distant 4th.
This is definitely subject to change as I'm only 30-some hours into the game. I'll re-evaluate when I'm finished, again after DLC, and again in a couple years. Sometimes the rankings change a lot over time so we'll see.
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