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Post by jli84 on Mar 29, 2017 16:43:15 GMT
1. ME2 2. MEA 3. ME1 4. ME3
This is based on the games as stand-alones. MEA doesn't give the triolgy as a package any contest. I think that is one of the reasons for all the bashing MEA gets (in adittion to all the bugs obviously). I would give MEA a lower score than ME1 because it's so buggy, but I think the over all experience is better in MEA. ME1 had the better villain and story, but MEA has a better cast and better gameplay/area design. Before you go and call me crazy for preferring MEAs cast to ME1s, here's why:
I did not care much for any of the companions in ME1 before later in the trilogy. Now they are amongst my all time favs, but that came later. If I were to rank all time ME characters Shepard would be #1 and Liara, garrus and Wrex would get spot 2-4. I started getting connected to Garrus and Wrex during ME2, and I really like Liara from LotSB and onward. I didn't care much for them in ME1.
A lot of people have complained about the companions in MEA, but I think the cast are unfairly compared to characters developed over 3 games. MEA might be the first Bioware game where I haven't disliked any companion. It's missing that one standout LI for me. Usually there's one LI I really like and end up romancing pretty much every playthrough. Not so in MEA. There's no Leliana, Liara or Sera here. Other than that I really like the cast. I think that if BioWare made MEA into a trilogy people would start to love this lot too.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 29, 2017 16:51:04 GMT
This is going to change when I'm over the "honeymoon" with this game.
ME2>ME1>>MEA>ME3
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 29, 2017 16:55:24 GMT
It's interesting to see poll results against the general tone of comments regarding the game. It warms my dusty little heart.
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Post by jennica on Mar 29, 2017 17:04:11 GMT
MEA>ME1 and ME2>ME3.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 17:11:55 GMT
ME1 = 9 ME2 = 10 ME3 = 9.5 MEA = 8
ME1 was revolutionary for it's time. Story telling, cutscenes, and dialogue were unique.
ME2 was a masterpiece. I'm sure there were issues that some had with it, but it had everything I look for in a great game.
ME3 was superb. Because ME2 was a masterpiece, I couldn't rate ME3 equally
MEA is a good game anchored by poor technical performance and a number of bad design decisions that undermine it's fun gameplay hook and decent story.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 29, 2017 17:32:29 GMT
What strengths are those? MEA has its own strengths as well. ME1 - Story, world building, choices, and music. ME2 - Characters, fully fleshed out the setting, side missions, choices, music, and voice acting. The only high praise I can give Andromeda is its combat and vehicle gameplay. Everything else is either poorly done, or average and outdone by other games in the series. Exploration and side quests HAD the potential to be the best in the series, but are squandered by bad animation, poor - average writing, and mediocre voice acting. Walking into Club Afterlife on Omega for the first time, blew me away more than anything I experienced in Andromeda. Here is the thing though, on a scale of 1-10 story is like a 1 or 2 and combat is a 10. I value game play above everything else, and MEA is the best in the series game play wise. It has the best combat, and I get to craft my own unique weapons(I love customization.) Having a Firefly,Farscape,Babylon 5 story vibe is just a bonus in my opinion. I loved the Smuggler story in SWTOR as well. Bioware does a good job on the cheeky/loveable characters.
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Post by Karin Davis on Mar 29, 2017 17:35:29 GMT
Andromeda #1 favourite, cause, well it's the newest . Mass Effect 1 is second, cause well, it started the love. Mass Effect 3 is third, cause it's not the 2nd installment. Mass Effect 2 is last, cause well, PO Cerberus.
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Post by HowlingSiren on Mar 29, 2017 17:45:17 GMT
ME2>ME1>ME3>MEA
ME3 would have surpassed ME1 if it weren't for the ending. And I did finish MEA. I prefer the tighter story focus of the ME1-2-3 games, and the companions.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 29, 2017 22:17:33 GMT
What strengths are those? MEA has its own strengths as well. ME1 - Story, world building, choices, and music. ME2 - Characters, fully fleshed out the setting, side missions, choices, music, and voice acting. The only high praise I can give Andromeda is its combat and vehicle gameplay. Everything else is either poorly done, or average and outdone by other games in the series. Exploration and side quests HAD the potential to be the best in the series, but are squandered by bad animation, poor - average writing, and mediocre voice acting. Walking into Club Afterlife on Omega for the first time, blew me away more than anything I experienced in Andromeda. The only high praise you can give to Andromeda is its gameplay tho... So you state that you like the best videogame of the franchise the least. There are tons of novels and movies i could advice you.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 29, 2017 23:19:58 GMT
ME1 - Story, world building, choices, and music. ME2 - Characters, fully fleshed out the setting, side missions, choices, music, and voice acting. The only high praise I can give Andromeda is its combat and vehicle gameplay. Everything else is either poorly done, or average and outdone by other games in the series. Exploration and side quests HAD the potential to be the best in the series, but are squandered by bad animation, poor - average writing, and mediocre voice acting. Walking into Club Afterlife on Omega for the first time, blew me away more than anything I experienced in Andromeda. The only high praise you can give to Andromeda is its gameplay tho... So you state that you like the best videogame of the franchise the least. There are tons of novels and movies i could advice you. Gameplay is a category, that is divided into other subcategories. Of these subcategories, Combat and Driving are the only two things I can give high praise towards this game. That doesn't mean I think the Gameplay overall is great. The UI is poorly designed, the slow moving galaxy map tests the player's patience, the CC is a joke, the game is bugged out the ass, and the game doesn't allow me to quick save during some missions. That's just to mention a few. The Story category, and all the subcategories that follow, such as Plot, Characters, Setting, Dialogue, Presentation, Voice Acting, etc, is a category that ME:A suffers the most at. There is nothing in this game's Story I can give praise towards, and unfortunately Story has always been the bread and butter of Mass Effect, so even if the combat in the game is amazing, it feels like a hollow victory. People say ME2 had a weak story but great characters. I disagree with that first part. It's plot was weak, but it's characters, setting, dialogue, presentation, voice acting were great.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 29, 2017 23:31:12 GMT
The only high praise you can give to Andromeda is its gameplay tho... So you state that you like the best videogame of the franchise the least. There are tons of novels and movies i could advice you. Gameplay is a category, that is divided into other subcategories. Of these subcategories, Combat and Driving are the only two things I can give high praise towards this game. That doesn't mean I think the Gameplay overall is great. The UI is poorly designed, the slow moving galaxy map tests the player's patience, the CC is a joke, the game is bugged out the ass, and the game doesn't allow me to quick save during some missions. That's just to mention a few. The Story category, and all the subcategories that follow, such as Plot, Characters, Setting, Dialogue, Presentation, Voice Acting, etc, is a category that ME:A suffers the most at. There is nothing in this game's Story I can give praise towards, and unfortunately Story has always been the bread and butter of Mass Effect, so even if the combat in the game is amazing, it feels like a hollow victory. People say ME2 had a weak story but great characters. I disagree with that first part. It's plot was weak, but it's characters, setting, dialogue, presentation, voice acting were great. Gameplay: Loops of repetitive actions a player has to do "to play". Loops are usually divided in 3 categories: Micro, medium, large. Micro bein' what the player's doing for one action, medium for a whole scene or fight, etc... you got the idea Gamedesign: Partial choices about the design of the game. I'm talking gameplay you answer with gamedesign. Alright. Now that we've a defenetion -i hope we agree on- none of the ME games offer you loops as good as ME:A. Being a better video game. Now maybe MET is a better product in a whole or something that appeal more to you due to story, deisgn etc. But what defers a movie from a videogame is gameplay... You know, actually playing the game and not sitting in front of a cinematic? I'm glad you love Telltale games but a 3rd person shooter RPG has to have good gameplay which it does.
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Post by zeus171 on Mar 29, 2017 23:50:06 GMT
ME2 Bro's, saving everyone in the suicide mission...oh man the memories. ME1 I mean, its the original ME3 Those endings??? MEA (traded in) total disappointment IMO
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 30, 2017 1:20:04 GMT
Gameplay is a category, that is divided into other subcategories. Of these subcategories, Combat and Driving are the only two things I can give high praise towards this game. That doesn't mean I think the Gameplay overall is great. The UI is poorly designed, the slow moving galaxy map tests the player's patience, the CC is a joke, the game is bugged out the ass, and the game doesn't allow me to quick save during some missions. That's just to mention a few. The Story category, and all the subcategories that follow, such as Plot, Characters, Setting, Dialogue, Presentation, Voice Acting, etc, is a category that ME:A suffers the most at. There is nothing in this game's Story I can give praise towards, and unfortunately Story has always been the bread and butter of Mass Effect, so even if the combat in the game is amazing, it feels like a hollow victory. People say ME2 had a weak story but great characters. I disagree with that first part. It's plot was weak, but it's characters, setting, dialogue, presentation, voice acting were great. Gameplay: Loops of repetitive actions a player has to do "to play". Loops are usually divided in 3 categories: Micro, medium, large. Micro bein' what the player's doing for one action, medium for a whole scene or fight, etc... you got the idea Gamedesign: Partial choices about the design of the game. I'm talking gameplay you answer with gamedesign. That's not how I view and deconstruct gameplay. You say that you hope you and I agree on something, while simultaneously being a smartass for two posts in a row now, by trying to twist my words in your last post, and by assuming I love Telltale games here. So how about you drop the facade you're trying to put up here. You don't like me, or my opinion on the game. I'm fine with that. I'm too old, experienced, and confident in my views to care about what other people think of my opinions. But don't think you can talk to me like I'm an idiot. Your sarcasm does you no credit. That said, I also don't agree with your last point, on how a 3rd person shooter RPG has to have good gameplay. A great story can make up for average/bad gameplay. Mass Effect 1 is a testament to that. The game sits comfortably above a 90 on Metacritic, and many people adore the game, despite acknowledging it's many issues with gameplay.
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Post by tziwen on Mar 30, 2017 1:29:58 GMT
Gameplay: Loops of repetitive actions a player has to do "to play". Loops are usually divided in 3 categories: Micro, medium, large. Micro bein' what the player's doing for one action, medium for a whole scene or fight, etc... you got the idea Gamedesign: Partial choices about the design of the game. I'm talking gameplay you answer with gamedesign. That's not how I view and deconstruct gameplay. You say that you hope you and I agree on something, while simultaneously being a smartass for two posts in a row now, by trying to twist my words in your last post, and by assuming I love Telltale games here. So how about you drop the facade you're trying to put up here. You don't like me, or my opinion on the game. I'm fine with that. I'm too old, experienced, and confident in my views to care about what other people think of my opinions. But don't think you can talk to me like I'm an idiot. Your sarcasm does you no credit. That said, I also don't agree with your last point, on how a 3rd person shooter RPG has to have good gameplay. A great story can make up for average/bad gameplay. Mass Effect 1 is a testament to that. The game sits comfortably above a 90 on Metacritic, and many people adore the game, despite acknowledging it's many issues with gameplay. That's not how you descronstruct gameplay? Good, you just revolutionized the videogame industry. Not being smartass or so but still: linkNo need to be a smartass to tell you that your defenetion of gameplay is very... personal and probably not shared by devs. "I'm too old, experienced, and confident" Who's being a confident smartass here -drools- I'm probably as old as experienced and as confident as you're. And i'm too old to exchange tight ideas about somebody not able to keep up with the gameplay loop concept... sorry. Wrappin" up this BS discussion. You have an opinion on everything: What is gameplay, what makes a good game, what makes a RPG good. FINE. Of course you can have one but this is only what it is: Not an analysis, not a critic, not a test, not enlighted view... It's an opinion. tainted by who you are, what you did and how videogame matters in your life... You're liking can only be yours and it makes your opinion irrelevant for others: We aren't you. Last thing: Don't victimize yourself: That's cheap low and pointless. "You don't like me, or my opinion" I mean come on. I don't know you enough to like or dislike you. I just believe that your opinion is just... An opinion. Not helpfull in any way shape or form.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 30, 2017 2:01:21 GMT
That's not how I view and deconstruct gameplay. You say that you hope you and I agree on something, while simultaneously being a smartass for two posts in a row now, by trying to twist my words in your last post, and by assuming I love Telltale games here. So how about you drop the facade you're trying to put up here. You don't like me, or my opinion on the game. I'm fine with that. I'm too old, experienced, and confident in my views to care about what other people think of my opinions. But don't think you can talk to me like I'm an idiot. Your sarcasm does you no credit. That said, I also don't agree with your last point, on how a 3rd person shooter RPG has to have good gameplay. A great story can make up for average/bad gameplay. Mass Effect 1 is a testament to that. The game sits comfortably above a 90 on Metacritic, and many people adore the game, despite acknowledging it's many issues with gameplay. That's not how you descronstruct gameplay? Good, you just revolutionized the videogame industry. Not being smartass or so but still: linkNo need to be a smartass to tell you that your defenetion of gameplay is very... personal and probably not shared by devs. Yes, I have my ways of deconstructing gameplay. Is that a bad thing? Because I view it different than some developers? People are free to dissect art however they want. Do you think game critics follow some systematic breakdown of gameplay and story when reviewing games? Because they don't. That's cool. What's not cool is that you're getting uptight about my reasoning behind why I don't let peoples negative views on my opinions. That's actually kinda lame on your part. This is a BS discussion. Wish I had it with someone better. I didn't victimize myself. Saying I don't care about people being pissy about my opinions, is the opposite of acting like a victim. Right, just like how you kept pushing on me in your previous posts that Mass Effect: Andromeda was the best video game in the series, like it was a fact: "The only high praise you can give to Andromeda is its gameplay tho... So you state that you like the best videogame of the franchise the least." "Alright. Now that we've a defenetion -i hope we agree on- none of the ME games offer you loops as good as ME:A. Being a better video game."I won't act like I don't sometimes come off like what I'm saying is fact (which is not my intent), but practice what you preach guy. Again, you don't fool me for a second. And that's all I have for you. Get your worthless last word in.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 30, 2017 2:05:04 GMT
Id say Andromeda is still the weakest, but the bar is set high to begin with so it's kind of a moot point.
Personally, Mass Effect 2 is, front to back, BioWares best game id argue.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 30, 2017 10:38:58 GMT
1. ME2/ME3, edge to ME2 (most solid title) 2. ME2/ME3, edge to ME3 (if you can get past the ending, and consider the DLCs) 3. MEA (so far - I'm 1/3 through its SP content, but I've seen plenty more) 4. ME1 (its better parts started the series off well and the main plot the most compelling, but it was always a clunker)
I'd rank these differently for different categories, for example ME1 having #1-2 in terms of certain aspects of story, but this is the overall, which it gets #4 on. Once upon a time I'd have given ME1 the second last place more easily, instead of the last, but it just does not age well in my mind. Classic feel? Sure. Aspects that I think the series should always remember and try to retain? Absolutely, and I'm glad to see stronger attempts in MEA for that. But still last.
From all I've played and seen, MEA is a NeoME1 that does most comparable aspects better - or at least gives so much more content of the aspects that I have to give it at least a tie. But if it can be really fixed up and really impressive layers of story and gameplay get added for a not super unreasonable price, I can edge it into a #2nd place and then my mind would have to battle about which of ME2/ME3 gets #1 and which one gets #3 ... :S would be difficult.. (I don't have the level of bitterness some do towards ME3).
Right now MEA is a 7-8/10 where the others (to broadly range it) were 8-10/10 (ME1 closer to 8, ME2 closer to 10, ME3 closer to 9). Can MEA gain a whole 0.5-1.5 (roughly) points in my numeration? ....sure...? But there's hurdles that I'll have to see if Bioware's willing to jump.
DAI launched being about tied with DA2 to me, under DAO. Over time (updates, DLC, absorbing content) it did gain that one-point-or-so enough that I put it in #2nd place, even if I still consider DAO better quality. So sure, I can see if similarly can happen to MEA. It just, due to its at least rough start, will never be #1 ever. Bioware's gonna have to try that for a next game.
EDIT: I guess to clarify scores, if I had to single digit it, with no range: ME1 - 8 (legit up to 9 though) ME2 - 10 (legit down to 9 though; for example, it can lack a bit due to the 'streamlining' and start of 'rule of cool' happening) ME3 - 9 (legit range around that though) MEA - 7 (legit up to 8 though)
Would I like to consider MEA a 8? Yes, please. Maybe my playthrough will even bring that, but not yet. Do I think it is possible it can be a 8? Yes. Would I like to consider MEA a 9? Yes, sure. Do I think it is possible? I doubt it. Would I like to consider MEA a 10? Too late for what. I don't think its possible.
Bioware, fix up my game to a 8 and provide better content in such a way to make it a 9. You'd get my constant applause and loud praises again for the first time in several years.
EDIT: Oh and I would LOVE for a game to CLEARLY knock ME2 off its perch. ME3 could have been it and often comes close. ME1 might have been it but I don't award clunkfests (just as how I easily don't give MEA #2 so far - its too close to a clunkfest with all these bugs and bad design choices). ME2 is NOT REALLY that great. Its a perfect example of a great Mass Effect game that at the same time seems to keep the series JUST a smidge away from true legendary status in gaming, at least in my eyes (even as its been my favorite personal series). It did its job, and it did its job WELL. I can't say the same for the other games, which all have something that soured the experience for many (ME1 the design, ME3 the ending, MEA the quality control). ME2 did not have that. Sure we have people complaining about and hating on the final boss, the meandering direction, the Lazarus Project, but in practice, none of these impede the quality of ME2 *compared* to the flaws of the other games. But do I adore ME2? Fuck no, actually. Again, I'd LOVE for a game that I can point to as clearly superior to it. I'd LOVE to leave the 'dark underworld of the milky way' title behind as just a very good ME game, and not the best. But for now, at least until the next ME game releases, I have to say ME2 is the best.
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Post by neoiceman on Mar 30, 2017 13:09:33 GMT
I dont know what to say about people how say ME2 has the best Story so far o_O and say the ending from 3 was shit. What the hell, wow, just wow, the story from 2 is so fucked o_O
Sure ok i take it that they rebuild you without problems, billions of death braincells no problem, its some SciFi and i can take it. Yeah for sure you can have back your Spectrestatus, why not, because you where dead and yet you are an Cerberus Puppet, yeah you say no but you work in the illusive plan and he know that you would betray him. And your Teammates, nonhumans, joining you with an smile on their face knowing that they working against their own species helping Cerberus to gain more and more power with an win over the collectors. Trust is so easy build up, 4 speaks and a fucking mission with every time the same ending no matter how played or what you choose to say. The Earth Military is also not looking after you, you are an fucking deserter, not matter if you are dead, revived, not dead, if you can walk you have to tell them. They think at least you faked your own death. And dont try it to explain it with "but he is shepard!" or something else, if that works you volks are really easy to decive.
Someone say the exploring in ME2 was so good o_O What the fuck is wrong, in an game that is barley an Tunnelshooter.
Someone say the Skill- and Equipmentsystem in ME2 is good, at this point is spilled my coffe ofer my monitor in loud laugher. The system is so retarded you can remove it it per mod and miss nothing, the System in ME3 is so fucked but 200 times better and nicley donw than in ME2.
Someone say the Characters are good in ME2 and ok thats an point the game has, but the other had it also.
That all aside, the game had at the beginning so many glitches and bugs o_O MEA is not really free from it but ME2 was really an feast of these.
OK other people say it is the best ME out here and it is their opinion, but if they say the loved ME2 more because it is better in these things than the other titels they are lying, if they say the loved ME2 more because it is so ok but not these lies about it.
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Post by myalzalean on Mar 30, 2017 13:25:23 GMT
Going by the poll numbers I've come up with a new marketing hook for EA to use:
Mass Effect Andromeda - 2/3 players say it's not the worst Mass Effect Game ever. Get your copy today!
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Post by brannigans1ove on Mar 30, 2017 14:06:18 GMT
ME2 was the best for me. ME3 and MEA seem about the same as far as story goes, but I'll rank ME3 higher due to sinking >3000hrs into the MP. ME1 seemed great at the time, but I struggled badly with it when I tried to replay it recently.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 30, 2017 19:04:34 GMT
Going by the poll numbers I've come up with a new marketing hook for EA to use: Mass Effect Andromeda - 2/3 players say it's not the worst Mass Effect Game ever. Get your copy today! Well sure it sums it up. Its not necessarily the worst ME unless its weaknesses REALLY annoy you. Which they might. Its not the best ME unless you subjectively prop it up as the new shiny thing (this is downplaying the effect of it, but I do mean it matters). "Mass Effect Andromeda. It is a Mass Effect game."
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 30, 2017 19:13:29 GMT
1) ME2 2) ME1 3) MEA 4) ME3
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 30, 2017 23:34:32 GMT
ME2 is the obvious kind of the hill.
The rest have their own strength and weaknesses, making it really difficult to place them. ME3 would probably have been the best one if it hadn't been due to the ending and all that mess, which is a damn shame.
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Post by beantony on Mar 30, 2017 23:48:20 GMT
1 ME2 for the great final mission which results were reflected based on your crews' loyalty and also for it' good combat. And if you play ME1, it will break you when you when you see what the collectors do to Normandy.. one of the game's great moment.
2 MEA for the best combat i've ever had with me and stunning visual, even though this ME has many issue with animations, character expressions, and somehow a weak implementation of good story.
3 ME3 .. too many similarities with ME2, almost every issues were concluded in this game (geths, krogans, etc), disappointed with the ending.
4 ME1 has a good story vibe, making me want to play it more and more, but combat is not that good.
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Post by n7vakarian on Mar 31, 2017 0:02:52 GMT
ME1 ME3 MEA ME2
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