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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 9, 2020 14:30:13 GMT
The Baldur's Gate games far precedes the concept of carrying over choices from previous games (Mass Effect touting that for its trilogy was pretty revolutionary for the time, and even then it wasn't great about it). In fact, it leans on the fourth wall a number of times when you meet people form the previous game. There is often a dialogue choice of "Aren't you dead?" or something along those lines. Yeah, I know, I already played these games back then. It just appears to me that the memory people have of BG1/BG2 doesn't conform with reality. Same goes for me btw, the trilogy was always sky high in my favourite games of all time list... until I bought these enhanced editions and realized most of it was just nostalgia coupled with the fact that I was like 12-14 years old back then. I don't know, I don't have any memory of he BG games, the first true story based RPG I've ever played was Neverwinter Nights (was also my really rough introduction to D&D rulesets). I decided to play them if only for preparing for BG3. I really much enjoy BG2 and ToB, with BG1 still being pretty good for a highly outdated game. This post actually made me think whether I view the first Red Alert game with rose tinted glasses because that game was my childhood, I might pick up the C&C remaster at some point but I'm afraid to get highly disappointed on how dated it is. Maybe my long Starcraft 2 history will ruin it for me :X
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 9, 2020 20:27:51 GMT
Yeah, I know, I already played these games back then. It just appears to me that the memory people have of BG1/BG2 doesn't conform with reality. Same goes for me btw, the trilogy was always sky high in my favourite games of all time list... until I bought these enhanced editions and realized most of it was just nostalgia coupled with the fact that I was like 12-14 years old back then. I don't know, I don't have any memory of he BG games, the first true story based RPG I've ever played was Neverwinter Nights (was also my really rough introduction to D&D rulesets). I decided to play them if only for preparing for BG3. I really much enjoy BG2 and ToB, with BG1 still being pretty good for a highly outdated game. This post actually made me think whether I view the first Red Alert game with rose tinted glasses because that game was my childhood, I might pick up the C&C remaster at some point but I'm afraid to get highly disappointed on how dated it is. Maybe my long Starcraft 2 history will ruin it for me :X Don't get me wrong here, I don't think BG is a bad game. It's just not as good as I remembered it to be. This is not always the case for old games though. Chrono Trigger, for instance, is still amazing every time I boot it up. Easily my favourite game of all time.
(please SquareEnix, do to Chrono Trigger what you did to FF7 ).
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Post by bladefist on Jun 11, 2020 2:57:32 GMT
I don't think Legacy of Bhaal was a difficulty level in the original game... Ya I know, I just have this bug in my head that I can't allow myself to say that I finished a game unless I did so on the highest difficulty level. Probably future playthoughs I will try on Insanity + SCS. You may want to follow Davaeorn on Twitch or Youtube. All he's done for the past few years is play the trilogy on the hardest difficulty no reload. He knows Baldur's gate inside out but it's fun watching his characters die to bs and him having to restart.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 11, 2020 13:59:25 GMT
Ya I know, I just have this bug in my head that I can't allow myself to say that I finished a game unless I did so on the highest difficulty level. Probably future playthoughs I will try on Insanity + SCS. You may want to follow Davaeorn on Twitch or Youtube. All he's done for the past few years is play the trilogy on the hardest difficulty no reload. He knows Baldur's gate inside out but it's fun watching his characters die to bs and him having to restart. Ya I know him. I mention Insanity + SCS just because of me following him to become better at the game and to understanding the ruleset, hopefully to transition more smoothly to 5e with BG3.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2020 14:04:20 GMT
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 16, 2020 12:54:43 GMT
Well I can see where Bioware's trend of having big open worlds with way too much things to do that have nothing to do with the main story started: BG2.
I haven't even done a quarter of the available guests and by now I have basically forgotten about Imoen.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 16, 2020 13:10:05 GMT
Well I can see where Bioware's trend of having big open worlds with way too much things to do that have nothing to do with the main story started: BG2. I haven't even done a quarter of the available guests and by now I have basically forgotten about Imoen. Eh, technically it's in BG1. There are side quests so far off the beaten path you'd never find them unless you went looking. At least in BG2 they sorta justify the wandering by having to accumulate a huge pile of gold for the Shadow Thieves.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 16, 2020 13:16:30 GMT
Well I can see where Bioware's trend of having big open worlds with way too much things to do that have nothing to do with the main story started: BG2. I haven't even done a quarter of the available guests and by now I have basically forgotten about Imoen. It started with BG1 which was even more open worlds than BG2 as all the areas connected directly to each others in a single big map. Also, BG1 plot was even less directed then BG2. You were stuck outside of Candelkeep and told to find people at the Friendly Arm inn, but you don't have to meet them. Ever. You could just wander and do quests until you stumbled on things related to the main quest which opened new areas/quests until the final confrontation. Most of the game isn't tied to the main plot as well.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 16, 2020 13:34:32 GMT
Well I can see where Bioware's trend of having big open worlds with way too much things to do that have nothing to do with the main story started: BG2. I haven't even done a quarter of the available guests and by now I have basically forgotten about Imoen. It started with BG1 which was even more open worlds than BG2 as all the areas connected directly to each others in a single big map. Also, BG1 plot was even less directed then BG2. You were stuck outside of Candelkeep and told to find people at the Friendly Arm inn, but you don't have to meet them. Ever. You could just wander and do quests until you stumbled on things related to the main quest which opened new areas/quests until the final confrontation. Most of the game isn't tied to the main plot as well. Yeah you're right, but I usually just go the Friendly Arm Inn anyway, so it irks me less. Also in the BG1 in the beginning you're kinda lost and don't know what to do after Gorion dies, whereas in BG2 you have a goal from the start, so the story pushes you more to actually do that. This is something that annoys me about pretty much any cRPG though. There's some very pressing story matter going on, while you're out there helping random people with random things that do nothing for the pressing matter.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 18, 2020 20:00:55 GMT
So Edwin is Edwina now and I told him he has a nice rack. Good times. I suspect hilarious conversations in the future. I got my stronghold and I've been doing the quests in Trademeet, next is the Umar Hills. I'll probably end up killing Valygar, though I kinda forgot to visit his house in Athkatla. Dunno if that matters. Slightly bummed out Edwin's picture doesn't change to a woman when he's a she. That would've been great.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 18, 2020 20:08:16 GMT
So Edwin is Edwina now and I told him he has a nice rack. Good times. I suspect hilarious conversations in the future. I got my stronghold and I've been doing the quests in Trademeet, next is the Umar Hills. I'll probably end up killing Valygar, though I kinda forgot to visit his house in Athkatla. Dunno if that matters. Slightly bummed out Edwin's picture doesn't change to a woman when he's a she. That would've been great. There's a tweak mod which, among other things, gives Edwina a portrait: www.gibberlings3.net/mods/tweaks/tweaks/
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 19, 2020 21:11:23 GMT
That's a long ass list of tweaks though. Can I choose which ones I use or is it an all in kinda thing?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 19, 2020 21:33:44 GMT
That's a long ass list of tweaks though. Can I choose which ones I use or is it an all in kinda thing? You can choose. Though it takes a few minutes to go through the list of tweaks to enable.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jun 21, 2020 16:11:24 GMT
So I just ordered the Baldurs gate enhanced bundle (1 and 2) never played them before.
Played Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance 1 & 2 which were great games but very different to the original Baldurs gate games (simplified gameplay).
I think the closest thing I have played to Baldurs gate 1 and 2 is Divinity Original sin which I never finished (liked the mechanics but the main story wasnt great).
Looking to insight into Baldurs gate 1 and 2, should I play the first 1 first? I mean does the 2and game rely on u having played the first? I ask because I hear the first is largely inferior to the 2and game so not sure when I finally get the game whether I should go straight to the 2nd or not?
I was initially looking at newer games of the same genre I.e. pillars of Eternity 1 & 2 but thought that I should try the original classics first. Hopefully the graphics wont be too off putting!
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Post by Iakus on Jun 21, 2020 17:45:19 GMT
So I just ordered the Baldurs gate enhanced bundle (1 and 2) never played them before. Played Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance 1 & 2 which were great games but very different to the original Baldurs gate games (simplified gameplay). I think the closest thing I have played to Baldurs gate 1 and 2 is Divinity Original sin which I never finished (liked the mechanics but the main story wasnt great). Looking to insight into Baldurs gate 1 and 2, should I play the first 1 first? I mean does the 2and game rely on u having played the first? I ask because I hear the first is largely inferior to the 2and game so not sure when I finally get the game whether I should go straight to the 2nd or not? I was initially looking at newer games of the same genre I.e. pillars of Eternity 1 & 2 but thought that I should try the original classics first. Hopefully the graphics wont be too off putting! The second game is superior in almost every way.That said, it's worth it to do play BG1 first to get the whole story. BG2 isn't a direct sequel, but it does assume you know about certain events form the first game, including knowing some characters and companions. One of the things BG2 does better is character stories and banter. The first game has almost none of that.so I would HIGHLY recommend installing a mod called BG1 NPC Project, where a bunch of banters, personal quests, and even several romances were added. It really adds to the game. www.gibberlings3.net/mods/npcs/bg1npc/
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jun 21, 2020 23:22:59 GMT
So I just ordered the Baldurs gate enhanced bundle (1 and 2) never played them before. Played Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance 1 & 2 which were great games but very different to the original Baldurs gate games (simplified gameplay). I think the closest thing I have played to Baldurs gate 1 and 2 is Divinity Original sin which I never finished (liked the mechanics but the main story wasnt great). Looking to insight into Baldurs gate 1 and 2, should I play the first 1 first? I mean does the 2and game rely on u having played the first? I ask because I hear the first is largely inferior to the 2and game so not sure when I finally get the game whether I should go straight to the 2nd or not? I was initially looking at newer games of the same genre I.e. pillars of Eternity 1 & 2 but thought that I should try the original classics first. Hopefully the graphics wont be too off putting! The second game is superior in almost every way.That said, it's worth it to do play BG1 first to get the whole story. BG2 isn't a direct sequel, but it does assume you know about certain events form the first game, including knowing some characters and companions. One of the things BG2 does better is character stories and banter. The first game has almost none of that.so I would HIGHLY recommend installing a mod called BG1 NPC Project, where a bunch of banters, personal quests, and even several romances were added. It really adds to the game. www.gibberlings3.net/mods/npcs/bg1npc/ Thanks, unfortunately I'm a console scrub and ordered the games on Xbone so I dont think mods are possible.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 22, 2020 0:51:58 GMT
The second game is superior in almost every way.That said, it's worth it to do play BG1 first to get the whole story. BG2 isn't a direct sequel, but it does assume you know about certain events form the first game, including knowing some characters and companions. One of the things BG2 does better is character stories and banter. The first game has almost none of that.so I would HIGHLY recommend installing a mod called BG1 NPC Project, where a bunch of banters, personal quests, and even several romances were added. It really adds to the game. www.gibberlings3.net/mods/npcs/bg1npc/Thanks, unfortunately I'm a console scrub and ordered the games on Xbone so I dont think mods are possible. Ah, well in that case, you may want to seek out the three characters specific to the Enhanced Edition: Neera, Rasaad, and Dorn. They each have personal missions and some dialogue. They're also all "romanceable" (more a pre-romance for BG2)
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 24, 2020 9:22:55 GMT
I've entered Ust'Nata and am pleasantly surprised at the amount of stuff Viconia has to say about being Drow.
Now I wonder.. is the experience of the Drow city much different if Gorion's Ward is female?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 24, 2020 15:57:07 GMT
Hmm...good question.
Especially at one particular scene...
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 25, 2020 4:56:17 GMT
Hmm...good question. Especially at one particular scene... IIRC playing female doesn't change much in the drow city, and that scene doesn't occur at all.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 25, 2020 8:26:15 GMT
Kinda disappointed Viconia, without much objection, swore loyalty to me AND had a gease cast on her. Without much or any of my input. Would've slayn the Elves had she objected. But the spell was already cast before I had anything to say.
Oh well.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 29, 2020 12:52:40 GMT
I finished SoA. Overal, I was glad with the more talkative companions, but... the times at which they choose to talk can be absurd. During (!) the first battle with Irenicus Viconia started talking and I suddenly had to deal with not just Irenicus, but also an assassin and a demon. It didn't matter though, they all fell. The game also reminded me just how much I love to cheese in games. For instance, all Lich battles were completely and utterly trivialized by Edwin turning into a jelly and just waiting until the Lich casts nothing but level 3 spells or lower, or even until it started manually attacking when I was at lower levels. Nizidramanii'yt was murdered before it ever got to speak. I just cast a couple of cloudkills, waited for it to take a decent amount of damage and then had both Imoen and Edwin cast Abi Dalzim's Horrid Wilting hoping to get lucky with it a kill. I did. (you can't just wait for the cloudkills to kill it, as it will cast heal on itself). Also glad I didn't abandon this run for the full custom party I had in mind. I was going to because I missed an item for Crom Faeyr that I couldn't get anymore unless I used the console. But anyway, doing the hell section got my alignment changed to evil, and I did not want that. So I looked up how that happened and then I saw the massive stat bonuses one could get by following the evil path. So I will not have Gorion's Ward be a Cavalier in that run, that's for sure. I had a Cavalier in mind for that party, so I spared myself some wasted time I'll probably end up playing a Half Orc Berserker in that game, and finish SoA with a mindblowing 22 base strength and con. And have that go up to 24 strength and 23 con in ToB. *drools a little* Anyway, first I'll finish up ToB.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 29, 2020 13:02:09 GMT
What difficulty were you playing?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 29, 2020 13:08:06 GMT
Wrapping up a BG run myself. Finished the TotSC content and running around BG again, trying to avoid hostile Flaming Fist guards and wrapping up Dynaheir's romance while gathering evidence on Srevok.
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Post by Psychevore on Jun 29, 2020 13:08:11 GMT
What difficulty were you playing? Core rules.
I'm usually all for playing games on the hardest difficulty, but for BG the only logical difficulty seems to me to be core rules.
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