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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 30, 2017 12:00:25 GMT
This has got to be the most broken and overpowered perk in multiplayer right now. I'm not sure whether other people have noticed just how utterly broken this thing is or if it has gone unnoticed, but regardless, I am absolutely loving it. On the vanguard, it saves me from guaranteed death at least a few times on every single gold game. It scares me just how reliable, effective and predictable this is. It's a total game-changer and has definitely changed the way I play the vanguard. I can be much more aggressive and still hardly go down. It's not as effective as a stim pack from mass effect 3 of course, but in my experience it is superior to ops packs because it's automatic and regular and activates itself in the most desperate moments of need, making it indispensable for aggressive players like me.
This little beauty has enabled me to complete hacking devices I otherwise would not have been able to complete. It allows you to eat bullets like a boss! I hope they don't touch it but if they do, I'd completely understand.
Of course this will never make up for the pathetic power combos and terrible weapons, but still...I'll take whatever victory comes my way, no matter how small or in what form. This thing is pretty amazing! If you haven't played human vanguard yet - go and play it, make sure to spec into saving barrier and witness its beauty for yourself.
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Post by deadwooded on Mar 30, 2017 12:03:22 GMT
The ATatri Adept has this as well. Combined with BArrier drain you are able to face tank melee Hydras on Gold.
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 30, 2017 12:07:05 GMT
The ATatri Adept has this as well. Combined with BArrier drain you are able to face tank melee Hydras on Gold. Good shout! Didn't know she had it too. I'll have to try her out some time, just for this  |
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Post by awanger on Mar 30, 2017 12:15:29 GMT
i'm not sure i'd agree it's broken but certainly a great skill (at least on my AA; haven't used it on a vanguard). the reason i say this is my asari adept is relatively squishy if her shields are down; so saving barrier is AWESOME in that it shield gates for me (100% shield, i get hit, shield gone, HP down to 25% then saving barrier kicks in, i get 100% shield and bonus of refill shields every 10 seconds). you know this already.
the balancing factor is, at this point in the match my HP is 25%, quite low, so if at any point further my shields are gone another hit usually kills me. on gold i'm usually swarmed and having to punch everything around me to just keep my shields refilled (or try to escape/hide, etc).
so i think it's fine the way it is, doesn't break the game (again, at least on the asari adept).
and yes, she can melee gold hydras to death with relative ease...if that's the only enemy left. usually not and so you're getting railed by a ton of other baddies.
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Post by nanotm on Mar 30, 2017 12:29:56 GMT
see one of those kett guys that uses the mist to go invisible start wailing on him in melee mode (cos hit box is garbage) while the 3 anointed you didn't see him cloak set you up in a cross fire and tell me its op'd ......
saving barrier might keep you alive when you should otherwise have died but unless you already capped out hp regen perk itrs not actually going to keep you alive for more than a second in a firefight /
I just hope t he devs don't see your ridiculous op and decide to act on it like they did during the early days of me3 when the nerfers cried about everything that was semi useable until it was all gimped beyond use.
and yes I used ot farm fbw from the room of shame because unlike some rich brats with dadies credit card I wanted to get the gear but didn't have the cash to just pay 2 win without spaming shockwave from behind the desk for 10 minutes to get a jumbo box and a spectre pack ......its easy to play stuff and look good doing it when you have the ability to through money at it but a lot more difficult if you have to farm your way through it / when bw "fixed" a none existent problem to please a vocal minority they largely killed the player base
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 12:45:57 GMT
I just hope t he devs don't see your ridiculous op and decide to act on it like they did during the early days of me3 when the nerfers cried about everything that was semi useable until it was all gimped beyond use. and yes I used ot farm fbw from the room of shame because unlike some rich brats with dadies credit card I wanted to get the gear but didn't have the cash to just pay 2 win without spaming shockwave from behind the desk for 10 minutes to get a jumbo box and a spectre pack ......its easy to play stuff and look good doing it when you have the ability to through money at it but a lot more difficult if you have to farm your way through it / when bw "fixed" a none existent problem to please a vocal minority they largely killed the player base Still getting an instant invite on PC for ME3MP 5 years after its release regardless if I go Bronze, Silver, Gold or Plat pugging. So much for "killing the player base"... That room was as ridiculous as the Rio Box of Shame still is. |
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Post by bobbyfree on Mar 30, 2017 12:50:15 GMT
I re-specced for it on my human adept yesterday evening. Wanted to check this out. OMG, I will never go back, why did I go for the other one in the first place? It is not as if my powers could reliably kill something. For biotic melee class it is just plain awesome. As if regenerating shields by punching mobs to death wasn't enough.
This definitley is an ass-saver.
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Post by yakabucci on Mar 30, 2017 12:54:26 GMT
I disagree that it's op, but it is a nice GOJF card every 10 seconds.
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 30, 2017 12:57:53 GMT
I re-specced for it on my human adept yesterday evening. Wanted to check this out. OMG, I will never go back, why did I go for the other one in the first place? It is not as if my powers could reliably kill something. For biotic melee class it is just plain awesome. As if regenerating shields by punching mobs to death wasn't enough. This definitley is an ass-saver. Haha I had a similar experience. I only play on the vanguard, and at first, I chose the other evolution on the barrier tree (I know, what on earth was I thinking). Then I decided to try saving barrier, just on a whim, and over time I became amazed at just how beneficial it is to an aggressively-played vanguard. Never going back either! OH and another thing: saving barrier has the potential to completely save you from an ascendant sync kill. I've experienced this personally (though I didn't quite live to tell the tale because I was promptly shot dead by destined as soon as I escaped the sync kill). Tell me how this isn't broken! Haha. |
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Post by joserayber on Mar 30, 2017 13:15:26 GMT
A quick Ctrl+C Ctrl+V from DAI's Guardian Spirit, guess the internal cooldown shall be at least 30 seconds instead of 10s and/or make it exclusive with passive that regenerates shield with each melee attack.
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Post by nanotm on Mar 30, 2017 13:32:17 GMT
I just hope t he devs don't see your ridiculous op and decide to act on it like they did during the early days of me3 when the nerfers cried about everything that was semi useable until it was all gimped beyond use. and yes I used ot farm fbw from the room of shame because unlike some rich brats with dadies credit card I wanted to get the gear but didn't have the cash to just pay 2 win without spaming shockwave from behind the desk for 10 minutes to get a jumbo box and a spectre pack ......its easy to play stuff and look good doing it when you have the ability to through money at it but a lot more difficult if you have to farm your way through it / when bw "fixed" a none existent problem to please a vocal minority they largely killed the player base Still getting an instant invite on PC for ME3MP 5 years after its release regardless if I go Bronze, Silver, Gold or Plat pugging. So much for "killing the player base"... That room was as ridiculous as the Rio Box of Shame still is. me3mp had over half a million players on pc back in the day, a month after the revisions it was like a ghost town, sure there are still people who regularly play I see it on my friends list all the time when i'm playing dai or mea, but a lot of those are newer players or people doing a bit of retro revival, I know things ebb n flow in every game but the ebb was so dramatic, it also speaks volumes that you get instant invites the second you go into the game as to how hard it is to fill a lobby, my youngest has been playing me3 on the xbox for the last 6 months and he gets spammed with invites whenever he's got it switched on which is funny cos he's absolutely dire at it, took him 3 months before he would even "waste time reviving people" no matter how many times I told him what he should be doing..... where as it used to be hard to find a lobby that wasn't full from the friends list / |
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Post by Proto on Mar 30, 2017 13:34:01 GMT
Barrier Tree is fantastic.
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Post by onehitparry on Mar 30, 2017 15:56:45 GMT
Would someone explain saving barrier for me? Once you get dropped to 25% health for the first time, you get 100% shields back. At that point do you shields restore themselves every 10s? Or do they only refill once they've dropped to 0%, but only after a 10s cool down?
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Post by varicite on Mar 30, 2017 16:10:35 GMT
Or do they only refill once they've dropped to 0%, but only after a 10s cool down? This one. If they drop to 0% and 10 seconds has passed since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd, then they will refill to full. If it has not been 10 seconds since the last time, then... well, you dead. |
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Post by Proto on Mar 30, 2017 16:27:32 GMT
I call it Guardian Spirit. But it's actually even better...much lower cooldown.
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Post by No Snakes Alive on Mar 30, 2017 16:39:57 GMT
Or do they only refill once they've dropped to 0%, but only after a 10s cool down? This one. If they drop to 0% and 10 seconds has passed since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd, then they will refill to full. If it has not been 10 seconds since the last time, then... well, you dead. I'm pretty sure that's incorrect and your shields refill to 100% once every ten seconds if your life has dropped below the trigger threshold and remains there. |
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Post by nanotm on Mar 30, 2017 16:42:55 GMT
I must respect my vg to use saving barrier then but I suspect I will get kicked from games if I do that cos I wouldn't play anything else LMAO
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 30, 2017 16:48:00 GMT
I don't always pay attention to my surroundings, but when I do, I'm not playing a Vanguard.
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Post by varicite on Mar 30, 2017 16:56:31 GMT
This one. If they drop to 0% and 10 seconds has passed since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd, then they will refill to full. If it has not been 10 seconds since the last time, then... well, you dead. I'm pretty sure that's incorrect and your shields refill to 100% once every ten seconds if your life has dropped below the trigger threshold and remains there. Saving Barrier has literally nothing to do w/ your health, if that's what you mean. It's exactly as I wrote it: If your shields drop to 0% and it has been longer than 10 seconds since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd (or if it hasn't proc'd at all yet, of course), then you will get 100% shields (and it makes a sound like shattering glass). If it has been LESS than 10 seconds since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd, then you don't get full shields and your health will get eaten up as normal. |
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Post by No Snakes Alive on Mar 30, 2017 17:19:20 GMT
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect and your shields refill to 100% once every ten seconds if your life has dropped below the trigger threshold and remains there. Saving Barrier has literally nothing to do w/ your health, if that's what you mean. It's exactly as I wrote it: If your shields drop to 0% and it has been longer than 10 seconds since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd (or if it hasn't proc'd at all yet, of course), then you will get 100% shields (and it makes a sound like shattering glass). If it has been LESS than 10 seconds since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd, then you don't get full shields and your health will get eaten up as normal. Yeah, except you're completely wrong and it has everything to do with health. Just go read it again. 6 Automatically restores shields to full strength while at low HEALTH, once every 10 sec Shields Restored at Low HEALTH: 100% Low HEALTH Threshold: 25% It has nothing to do with where your SHIELDS are. If you're below 25% health and they aren't full and it's been ten seconds since they were last filled with a Saving Barrier proc, they will be filled again by another. |
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Post by varicite on Mar 30, 2017 17:28:00 GMT
Saving Barrier has literally nothing to do w/ your health, if that's what you mean. It's exactly as I wrote it: If your shields drop to 0% and it has been longer than 10 seconds since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd (or if it hasn't proc'd at all yet, of course), then you will get 100% shields (and it makes a sound like shattering glass). If it has been LESS than 10 seconds since the last time Saving Barrier proc'd, then you don't get full shields and your health will get eaten up as normal. Yeah, except you're completely wrong and it has everything to do with health. Just go read it again. 6 Automatically restores shields to full strength while at low HEALTH, once every 10 sec Shields Restored at Low HEALTH: 100% Low HEALTH Threshold: 25% It has nothing to do with where your SHIELDS are. If you're below 25% health and they aren't full and it's been ten seconds since they were last filled with a Saving Barrier proc, they will be filled again by another. Yeah well... Nothing, I stand corrected.  |
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Post by No Snakes Alive on Mar 30, 2017 17:40:57 GMT
Yeah, except you're completely wrong and it has everything to do with health. Just go read it again. 6 Automatically restores shields to full strength while at low HEALTH, once every 10 sec Shields Restored at Low HEALTH: 100% Low HEALTH Threshold: 25% It has nothing to do with where your SHIELDS are. If you're below 25% health and they aren't full and it's been ten seconds since they were last filled with a Saving Barrier proc, they will be filled again by another. Yeah well... Nothing, I stand corrected. Haha all good in the hood. In your defense, I thought the same at first too because like 95% of the time your shields break you just about instantly get dropped below 25% health too and it procs immediately. And ten seconds is a long time so you're likely right back at square one again by then too. |
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Post by sinfulfox on Mar 30, 2017 21:01:42 GMT
No more op then stealth, both save you from death, while 100% shield isnt gonna save your life if you get pinned on gold.
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Post by commandcodes on Mar 30, 2017 21:02:19 GMT
Yes, as I've said if the gladiator had barrier it would be Op
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Post by Proto on Mar 30, 2017 23:17:43 GMT
Yes, as I've said if the gladiator had barrier it would be Op Almost as OP as the Human Vanguard... |
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