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Post by qwib on Apr 3, 2017 17:35:15 GMT
The question should be: Who in the Mass Effect Universe would go through all that trouble to save Elcor's and Hanar's from extinction?
I think the Council has something to do with this. Citadel Archives has the Ark of Convenant. The Ark of Convenant was buried in the promised Land after 40 year of Travel through the desert. The Human Ark lands on Meridian = the promised Land after 600 years of stasis through dark space.
Ergo the Benefector is Suvi. She talkes to much about religion and god.
Wow my theory got quickly out of hand. :dumb:
I don't know who it is, but Cerberus would be lame.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 3, 2017 19:14:53 GMT
The Geth would be a good candidate.
They knew about the existence of the Reapers and the Cycle of Extinction longer than most.
They rebuilt a Mass Relay into a telescope to observe Andromeda and it's highly convenient that information was then "leaked" to the Initiative.
The lore already has examples of AI who've nearly broken the bank by discreetly manipulating a few decimal points, so it wouldn't be hard for them to acquire enough wealth to bankroll Garson's project.
As AI, it would have been easy for them to point Alec's research in the the right direction and give him what he needed.
They'd be intrigued by Alec's belief that a symbiotic relationship between AI and organics would allow both to understand each other better, something that they never were able to achieve with their own Creators.
The were Quarian colonists making the journey to Andromeda, although their ship ended up plagued by problems that delayed departure.
The only issue with this theory is the one that stumbles all of them... why murder Jien Garson?
Either there was some major reason that she had to die that interfered with the Benefactor's plans, or her death and it's subsequent cover up is a red herring that had absolutely nothing to do with Fulcrum whatsoever.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 3, 2017 19:22:48 GMT
Its a question of which Broker. Liara or Yaghy bear. Even Shepard seems more likely than the broker or Cerberus (Indoctrinated). Well, that would explain where all my millions of credits and tons of omnigel went after ME1.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 3, 2017 19:22:57 GMT
The only issue with this theory is the one that stumbles all of them... why murder Jien Garson? Well, in TIM's case: Jien was the charismatic leader of the Anromeda Initiative that was needed as a front and in Andromeda he wanted to replace her with a loyalist. Or create tensions among the pioneers, creating conflict so humans would cling together or something.
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Post by FemShepard'sPie on Apr 3, 2017 23:02:31 GMT
Whoever The Mysterious Benefactor is, they were in contact with one of the Kett or someone closely aligned with them. Spotted on a datapad in the Kett cult house of exultation:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 23:12:19 GMT
Whoever The Mysterious Benefactor is, they were in contact with one of the Kett or someone closely aligned with them. Spotted on a datapad in the Kett cult house of exultation: This seems to confirm that the benefactor is in Andromeda, and suggests that either the Kett have been to the Milky Way or... Could "the benefactor" be from Andromeda? Maybe one of the Jaardan? Personally, I reckon Protheans have something to do with this...
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 3, 2017 23:39:58 GMT
What,the mysterious benefactor is not in Andromeda,what are you smoking,they mention the MB is providing funding to help set the Andromeda Initiative up,this all happened in the MILKY WAY! He may have proxies on the Ark or the Nexus with sealed orders to be opened on arrival but that is it. Mysterious Benefactor urges Alec Ryder to accelerate AI development due to Reaper threat being confirmed after ME1 ending events. Why would Illusive Man give a shit about saving 120,000 people, 80% of them of which are aliens, when he's pushing his agenda to control the Reapers themselves? It's goddamn obvious Mysterious Benefactor knew about the Reapers existence before Sovereign attacked Eden Prime with geth and Saren, an information that Shadow Broker also knew, so he or she obviously wanted to ditch Milky Way for Andromeda due to Reapers. It's called diversifying your portfolio. The Andromeda initiative was another fail safe or option if the Illusive Man's plan to control the reapers fail. We know he had invested in multiple options hence the reason why Shepard had a clone. The benefactor doesn't have to be on board with the initiative either.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 4, 2017 0:00:33 GMT
Whoever The Mysterious Benefactor is, they were in contact with one of the Kett or someone closely aligned with them. "Benefactor" is a noun. It's any person who does something that benefits somebody else. In this particular case, the "benefactor" mentioned in the kett log is probably just whatever kett that sponsored the one who made the log, and not a proper noun referring to the Mysterious Benefactor that financed the Andromeda Initiative. It would be awkward to read it any other way, since the Mysterious Benefactor is from the Milky Way, and it would've been impossible for that individual to bring a random kett to their homeworld...and back. This is kind of like confusing Ptolemaios III (ruler of Egypt from 246 BC to 222 BC) with Antiokhos VIII (ruler of Syria from 138 BC to 129 BC) because they both shared the epithet Euergetes. ( Euergetes was a Greek title, common in the Hellenistic era, that meant, literally, "benefactor"; it was applied to philanthropic rulers who made significant donations to people or to other political entities.) Incidentally, whenever I think of benefactors, I think of the Combine. "...in the Citadel so thoughtfully provided by...our benefactors."
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Post by jasonpogo on Apr 5, 2017 0:37:29 GMT
Dose the game ever tell us who it is or who killed Jien Garson? I found out she was killed and there was something about this mysterious benefactor. But I kinda got bored with side quests and just finished the game after that. Do you find out any more or is that all left hanging for the next game?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 5, 2017 1:00:03 GMT
Could it be... Cerberus?????????
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 5, 2017 2:49:31 GMT
If it's an existing character it seems like it really only comes down between TIM and the Shadow Broker (Pre-Liara)
Just the sheer money needed to help launch the initiative is enough to disqualify pretty much anyone else. I really doubt it's the Shadow Broker as it would be pretty underwhelming that a DLC boss had a hand in the initiative because...reasons? Also they name dropped the SB in earlier memories and it feels like they wouldn't want him in there if they were trying to make a reveal.
Bioware has always had a hard on for Cerberus...pretty much any material that came out post ME2 had to in some way tie into Cerberus/TIM.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 5, 2017 16:48:07 GMT
I just can NOT buy into it being TIM for three reasons.
1)NO way he would have allowed anything but humans on the Arks and the Nexus. 2)All vehicles would have been armed to the teeth, to include Tempest, Nexus, Arks, Nomads etc. That man was weapons crazy. 3)The main mission would not have been one to 'get along' with new aliens in Andromeda, it would have been to wipe them out.
The Shadow Broker? Maybe but he was about power and control, he loses that the minute the Arks leave. Unless he was going along for the trip, which we know he didn't, he would have seen it as a waste of resources.
So then who? I don't know, no real clue to be honest. A WAG would be the man/woman himself, Shepard.
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I am not so sure if we will ever find out.
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Post by scouserant23 on Apr 5, 2017 17:31:51 GMT
Judging by the fact the benefactor helped the human funding who thinks it was the illusive man? Also that would go hand in hand with the theory that cora is his daughter he would want her on the team.
Secondly the man who murdered the AI founder jean garson or whatever her name was, could this also be the illusive man? Sure we know he was in the milkyway during ME3 but what if that was his clone which would also explain all his enhancements (similar to how he cloned sheppard) and his true self went with his daughter to the initiative and Andromeda?
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Post by tenmataro on Apr 5, 2017 17:42:05 GMT
I'd rather we leave the Illusive Man back in the Milky Way. He's too closely tied to Shepard.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 5, 2017 17:52:11 GMT
This is obviously set up to be a continuing plot thread, with Garson's murderer - whether that is the benefactor themselves or an agent they sent along to Andromeda to act in their stead - still at large come the end of the game. So while Cerberus seems the most likely culprit among pre-existing characters, given that we can't expect any kind of confrontation with TIM in Andromeda, I do wonder if it might not be an entirely new character.
I'm somewhat curious as to why they bothered killing Garson at all. So far as we know she didn't know anything that Alec didn't, and we see no evidence of there being a plan to kill Alec, as well. The only thing killing Garson seemed to accomplish is destabilizing the entire Initiative, depriving it of effective leadership.
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Post by Serza on Apr 5, 2017 17:54:04 GMT
1) Funding 2) Knowledge (and complete lack of denial) of Reapers 3) Willingness to work with Artificial Intelligence 4) ODSY drive somehow being based off Tantalus drive 5) Blueprints for the Normandy SR-2 on the Nexus
Reasoning for all five: 1) We already know they have a lot of money. After all, billions upon billions of credits went to Project Lazarus - the revival of Commander Shepard. 2) Cerberus knows and admits the Reapers are coming - this, after all, is why they resurrect Shepard. 3) Enhanced Defence Intelligence, aka EDI - enough said. It is my theory that SAM and EDI benefited from each other during their respective development. 4) Codex claims the Tempest (ODSY drive, "Ithaca" variant) has IES - Internal Emission System. This is a trademark of the Tantalus drive core, and first used on the SSV Normandy SR-1. Ithaca-variant ODSY is therefore partially derived from Tantalus drive, which are TOP SECRET and only known to the Systems Alliance, Turian Hierarchy and... 5) The second Normandy is a bigger, superior alternative to the original Alliance-Turian-built SR-1. The SR-2 was built by Cerberus from the ground up, including a larger version of the Tantalus drive core. Cerberus is the third faction to have the technology in producing a Tantalus drive core.
...thus I can say with absolute certainty - the Benefactor is the Illusive Man. The female voice could be someone acting on his orders, or exceptionally advanced voice distortion tool that allows to "switch" gender, making him sound like a woman. For someone who stuck with the name of Illusive Man, this is not even a leap.
The fact that the Illusive Man is tied to the Milky Way is a good thing - we will never have enough proof, and CAN NOT go back to investigate. We are stuck with what Garson and Alec Ryder know and are unlikely to ever get more information. Finding the Contact in Andromeda is undoubtedly equally tricky. The Contact has ceased all operation that might connect him to the Benefactor over a year before Ark Hyperion arrives. Considering they have no way to contact the Illusive Man - this was it. Their last job. Now, they can cut their ties and start a new life. To put someone on the Nexus to monitor situation is also very much like the Illusive Man.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 5, 2017 17:57:14 GMT
I don't wanna be Debbie Downer, but Martin Sheen won't live forever.
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Post by Serza on Apr 5, 2017 18:03:00 GMT
I don't wanna be Debbie Downer, but Martin Sheen won't live forever. This is what is genius about the idea. Cerberus is over 600 years gone, no matter the outcome. Control, Destroy, Synthesis, Refusal - all four endings have the Illusive Man's death in common. Cerberus' main base of operations dismantled by Shepard before Priority: Earth. They have nothing left. They are completely disorganized. And this happened 633 years before our arrival to Andromeda. Cerberus, even in the Milky Way, is a faction on it's last legs, unlikely to ever become strong without a leader like the Illusive Man. It is effectively no more. In Andromeda, scattered personnel remain, and even most of these were kicked out in the first place. They are a distant past. A memory. And as I said - we are unlikely to catch the unknown man in Garson's apartment, and he's the only link to the Benefactor. Could be dead for all we know. This means that without meta knowledge the perspective of Shepard AND Ryder gives us, Sara and Scott are unable to find out who the Benefactor truly is - if they ever heard of Cerberus back in the Milky Way in the first place.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 5, 2017 18:10:44 GMT
I agree, but there's already a big thread on the Spoilers Discussion board about it. I feel like the distinction between these two boards gets a bit hard in general. Perhaps time to just meld them into one?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 18:18:50 GMT
Armistan Banes!
Just kidding, but it would be funny if they finally tied up that old ME1 loose end by having him turn out to be the benefactor.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 5, 2017 18:20:19 GMT
This thread belongs in the spoiler section, where there is already a thread about this very subject that has been on-going for over a week.
Yes, most folks seem to believe TIM is the Benefactor. Whether a clone or something else, who knows?
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Post by mastert on Apr 5, 2017 18:23:29 GMT
What if reapers lost and Cerberus controlled the milky way and humans are enhanced by reaper technology. Maybe they are in their way already to control andromeda
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Post by Fogg on Apr 5, 2017 18:27:27 GMT
What if reapers lost and Cerberus controlled the milky way and humans are enhanced by reaper technology. Maybe they are in their way already to control andromeda If they'd make one outcome for ME3, we wouldn't be in Andromeda now
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