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Post by Sifr on Apr 5, 2017 20:38:53 GMT
This seems to confirm that the benefactor is in Andromeda, and suggests that either the Kett have been to the Milky Way or... Could "the benefactor" be from Andromeda? Maybe one of the Jaardan? Personally, I reckon Protheans have something to do with this... Not necessarily, since Jaal has "seen" Ryder and other Milky Way homeworlds via data packets and via the Nexus Cultural Centre. The Benefactor offering to show the Kett what their homeworld looks like in the hopes they'd reciprocate with a personal invitation is actually a pretty smart move. By freely offering information on the Milky Way (and likely the Initiative), the Benefactor is making the Kett think they're a collaborator and easily manipulated. In reality, they're using the Kett's own arrogance to lure them into a false sense of security and gain insider information on their Empire. The Salarians plan was very much the same in this regard. The only difference being that the Benefactor's plan doesn't seem to have required sacrificing thousands of their own people to Kett experimentation, which is why the Salarian attempt at a long-con comes across as so short-sighted and foolish in comparison.
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Post by adelthorne on Apr 5, 2017 21:13:33 GMT
I think its Lexi, she is fishy;)
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Post by sdzald on Apr 5, 2017 21:16:39 GMT
I agree formerfiend. Also you would think they would of killed her shortly before the Nexus departed or shortly after. Why wait tell they arrive if it was someone in the Milk Way pulling the strings?
For me it just makes a LOT more sense that she was killed in a power struggle by a person or group that came on the Nexus. Also most of the leaders who were killed happened because of the Scrouge, they just took advantage of the chaos.
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Post by nxp5 on Apr 8, 2017 12:26:59 GMT
Whoever it is, I hope it's well written and known someday soon (TM)... - TIM or some variant of him
- Cerberus
- the Council
- Salarian Daltress
- Asari Matriach
- Geth
- Pre-Yagh Shadow Broker
- the Volus with visions
- somebody new
Certainly one story I'd like a conclusion on.
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Post by supersomething on Apr 8, 2017 14:15:46 GMT
Considering Cerberus only cared about the fate of humanity at any cost. I find it highly unlikely they would fund a mission in which Asari, Turians, Salarians, Quarians, Elcor, and Volus are all placed on Arks of their own with SAM's to escape the galaxy. Towards the end of ME2 and into ME3 they were heading for nefarious purposes, so it seems unlikely they would have the benevolence and foresight to have a plan B in case the fight against the Reapers failed
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Post by capn233 on Apr 8, 2017 16:50:24 GMT
I think its Lexi, she is fishy;) She's not Harry. I wanted to make more of that line, but my Ryder didn't. *** As far as this topic goes, seems to me that Cerberus as a benefactor would make some sense, and then maybe old Shadow Broker. If it isn't, you just created some entity that is basically the same as either of those in capability, but that nobody had every heard of in the original trilogy for no good reason.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 8, 2017 17:21:07 GMT
Considering Cerberus only cared about the fate of humanity at any cost. I find it highly unlikely they would fund a mission in which Asari, Turians, Salarians, Quarians, Elcor, and Volus are all placed on Arks of their own with SAM's to escape the galaxy. Towards the end of ME2 and into ME3 they were heading for nefarious purposes, so it seems unlikely they would have the benevolence and foresight to have a plan B in case the fight against the Reapers failed Ok, so, I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm not sold on the idea that it's Cerberus, myself, but I'm going to play a little Devil's Advocate here. Firstly, I'd argue that if all they care about is "the fate of humanity at any cost", then "dragging a hundred thousand aliens along for the ride" falls under the umbrella of " any cost". If the Andromeda Initiative was the best chance of getting a large number of humans out of the galaxy in the time available before the Reapers invaded, then yes, I imagine the Illusive Man would back it even if it meant swallowing the pill of paying the way for a lot of aliens. If anything I imagine he'd be able to twist the narrative in his head to cast the aliens that the Initiative was taking along as fodder that would protect the humans and that the humans would rise up and assert dominance over the other species when presented with an even playing field and not 4000 years of pre-existing infrastructure to fight against. Secondly I'd argue that one doesn't need benevolence to possess foresight. The Illusive Man has already demonstrated foresight in the past.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 8, 2017 17:39:07 GMT
Actually now that I think about it, one thing that might disqualify Cerberus from the Benefactor role, assuming the Benefactor is behind the murder of Garson, is that killing Garson meant that Addison is the only human in Initiative leadership.
Now, maybe during the chaos, the killer wasn't aware that the other six people between Tann and the director's chair had been killed by the scourge - and I'm kind of making an assumption that #2-#7 were (mostly) human. And of course this was before Sloane's defection, but Sloane isn't someone who believes in Cerberus ideals, herself.
But if they knew that the others were dead and that killing Garson could lead to a situation where humans didn't have a dominant voice in the leadership, that flies in the face of a lot of Cerberus ideals.
Of course this is assuming they don't cast the Cerberus agent in question as out and out incompetent and a "just following orders, damn the consequences" type.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 9, 2017 15:28:50 GMT
What if reapers lost and Cerberus controlled the milky way and humans are enhanced by reaper technology. Maybe they are in their way already to control andromeda If they'd make one outcome for ME3, we wouldn't be in Andromeda now So, thinking if we'd just had one ending, but we go with it that the relays are destroyed. That could still lead to people going out and exploring in areas they never before considered because there were no mass relays around. New drive invented that's faster (ODSY, I guess, but working slightly differently than what we have) because without the relays they have to find new ways. Could still be exploration-based but in the Milky Way.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 9, 2017 20:05:32 GMT
If they'd make one outcome for ME3, we wouldn't be in Andromeda now So, thinking if we'd just had one ending, but we go with it that the relays are destroyed. That could still lead to people going out and exploring in areas they never before considered because there were no mass relays around. New drive invented that's faster (ODSY, I guess, but working slightly differently than what we have) because without the relays they have to find new ways. Could still be exploration-based but in the Milky Way. I was hoping for that. I was even sad that they rebuilded the relays in the extended cut, because exploring the Milky Way without relays would've been perfect.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 10, 2017 1:11:19 GMT
Even Shepard seems more likely than the broker or Cerberus (Indoctrinated). Well, that would explain where all my millions of credits and tons of omnigel went after ME1. Well, you were dead, so presumably you willed it all to Joker. That's his story at least.
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Post by Marduk on Apr 10, 2017 11:30:54 GMT
Considering Cerberus only cared about the fate of humanity at any cost. I find it highly unlikely they would fund a mission in which Asari, Turians, Salarians, Quarians, Elcor, and Volus are all placed on Arks of their own with SAM's to escape the galaxy. Towards the end of ME2 and into ME3 they were heading for nefarious purposes, so it seems unlikely they would have the benevolence and foresight to have a plan B in case the fight against the Reapers failed Ok, so, I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm not sold on the idea that it's Cerberus, myself, but I'm going to play a little Devil's Advocate here. Firstly, I'd argue that if all they care about is "the fate of humanity at any cost", then "dragging a hundred thousand aliens along for the ride" falls under the umbrella of " any cost". If the Andromeda Initiative was the best chance of getting a large number of humans out of the galaxy in the time available before the Reapers invaded, then yes, I imagine the Illusive Man would back it even if it meant swallowing the pill of paying the way for a lot of aliens. If anything I imagine he'd be able to twist the narrative in his head to cast the aliens that the Initiative was taking along as fodder that would protect the humans and that the humans would rise up and assert dominance over the other species when presented with an even playing field and not 4000 years of pre-existing infrastructure to fight against. Secondly I'd argue that one doesn't need benevolence to possess foresight. The Illusive Man has already demonstrated foresight in the past. Overall it is strange to see all other arks getting screwed over so hard compared to Hyperion even considering the advantage Ryders had, as if some had a mission to sell out the position of other arks to any hostile race of Andromeda, regardless of their own life being in danger (there are people out there willing to die for their cause). if there are emails or hints regarding the benefactor contacting the Keth, then it could be Illusive Man's way of getting rid of aliens hoping they all kill each other in return or trusting the Hyperion to overcome challenges of Andromeda alone. maybe he couldn't exclude Milky Way Aliens from the beginning for this journey thanks to the likes of Alec so he chose this method. If he was aware of Alec's full intentions, then he knew that Humans by default are gonna have the advantage anyway. not sure if he was fine with an AI like SAM but even if he wasn't, it was a tough situation so SAM as a human made property that favors Ryders was a big advantage for humans which might make Illusive Man accept it. i didn't put that much thought into though but just sharing.
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Post by mograximus on Apr 10, 2017 11:37:23 GMT
I was kinda drunk when I covered all this in game toward the end of the memory unlocking.
Was it not Liara? I thought it was Liara. As a sort of contingency for the reapers? I just kinda skimmed these 9 posts so enlighten me as to why its not her if you'd be so kind, I need to get caught up on this debate apparently xD
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Post by izut on Apr 10, 2017 12:45:37 GMT
Whoever this Benefactor is, it's all connected to Kett. And Benefactor came to Andromeda! Wonder if that whole Hztch visited Milky Way though...
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 10, 2017 14:47:50 GMT
This again...
I'm very much inclined to believe that the Benefactor mentioned in the kett email and the Benefactor who helped fund the initiative are not the same person. I know that within the conventions of writing a story it's generally seen as bad form to use the same proper noun to refer to two separate people unless it carries some significance, but at best I think this is a red herring and at worst I think it's Bioware either not noticing or not caring that they used it in separate instances to refer to separate people.
So far as we know it is impossible for the benefactor to have contacted the kett before the Initiative left the Milky Way. There are several datapads and audio logs on the Archon's flag ship that point to the kett being surprised by the initiative's arrival, not being aware of their existence of the Milky Way races prior to the arrival of the Arks, and in general having not previously considered the possibility of crossing dark space. They weren't expecting us; they were just in a position to take advantage being that they knew about the Scourge and how to navigate it, weren't all in stasis, and their ships were actually armed.
If the Benefactor mentioned in the kett email is the same as the one that helped fund the initiative, that would suggest that it was the benefactor themselves who killed Garson, and that they fled the Nexus, joined with the kett, submitted to exaltation, and rose to some position of authority within the span of 14 months. Given that the kett are still perfecting the exaltation process on milky way races, I find this scenario to be doubtful.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 11, 2017 0:16:17 GMT
Even Shepard seems more likely than the broker or Cerberus (Indoctrinated). What if Shepard has an evil twin? Or a clone? Nah... that's just silly talk.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 11, 2017 2:09:33 GMT
I know that within the conventions of writing a story it's generally seen as bad form to use the same proper noun to refer to two separate people unless it carries some significance, but at best I think this is a red herring and at worst I think it's Bioware either not noticing or not caring that they used it in separate instances to refer to separate people. I don't think "benefactor" in the kett datapad even qualifies as a proper noun. I've long since given up on trying to predict fictional stories, and I have a pretty low opinion of most reveals, so the Andromeda Initiative "benefactor" could be that person in the datapad, but it'd be pretty weak and awkward if they did it that way. The reason it could be that person is that, well, "weak and awkward" doesn't stop most writers.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 11, 2017 13:50:42 GMT
He is Reyes.
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Post by izut on Apr 11, 2017 14:29:57 GMT
He is Reyes. Jill.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 11, 2017 15:00:18 GMT
He is Reyes. Jill. That would explain why she is so busy... I mean the lady in charge of making babies has less time to talk to me then the person running the whole Initiative.... #SecretDoubleLife #GilsBabyIsBabyBenefactor.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 13, 2017 0:28:38 GMT
What if it's Kallo?
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 13, 2017 3:49:49 GMT
with no information to add, I'm putting my money on Addison because she is suspicious and I don't like her that much.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 13, 2017 10:36:15 GMT
with no information to add, I'm putting my money on Addison because she is suspicious and I don't like her that much. That would take out all the intrigue from possible interaction with Benefactor. People will just shoot her at first opportunity. Besides someone as dumb as her having enough money to fund Initiative is just immersion-breaking.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 13, 2017 11:09:12 GMT
with no information to add, I'm putting my money on Addison because she is suspicious and I don't like her that much. That would take out all the intrigue from possible interaction with Benefactor. People will just shoot her at first opportunity. Besides someone as dumb as her having enough money to fund Initiative is just immersion-breaking. I never said I had anything to back to my theory, I just don't like her and would like her gone
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Post by zawiszatheblack on Apr 14, 2017 1:38:16 GMT
One thing doesn't let me sleep...
Alec: Years ago, you mentioned "salvation' for a lot of people. You knew this was coming. Benefactor: I knew something was coming. In theory. Shepard made it real.
The benefactor knew something bad will happen, even before Shepard knew. What do you think, what was the source of this knowledge? Prothean beacon? Prothean VI? Something else? Or maybe Leviathan?
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