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Post by izut on Apr 14, 2017 2:14:23 GMT
One thing doesn't let me sleep... Alec: Years ago, you mentioned "salvation' for a lot of people. You knew this was coming. Benefactor: I knew something was coming. In theory. Shepard made it real. The benefactor knew something bad will happen, even before Shepard knew. What do you think, what was the source of this knowledge? Prothean beacon? Prothean VI? Something else? Or maybe Leviathan? Benefactor knew something was coming, he/she had no idea what exactly. Just that it was big and bad. He/she might've been one of those who believed in Liara's theories about Protheans, added a few things up - if an entire advanced civilisation disappears just like that it means something hella bad must've happened. We have no idea when Saren was indoctrinated, what if he faced him somehow and read him between the lines? He could've also study Geth and found out something was coming. Just like they've found advanced Andromeda scans thanks to Geths. We'll never know how advanced Geths really were, how much they knew about the galaxy and not only a Milky Way, but everything. The Shadow Broker could've known too, thanks to his resources, but since he contacted Alec by himself at some point, I'd say he's not the one. TIM probably knew too, but I'm 100% sure he was not connected to Andromeda Initiative. I'm pretty sure it's someone new and I have a feeling he/she went to Andromeda with the Nexus and is responsible for killing Garson.
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Post by zawiszatheblack on Apr 14, 2017 2:34:48 GMT
Benefactor knew something was coming, he/she had no idea what exactly. Just that it was big and bad. He/she might've been one of those who believed in Liara's theories about Protheans, added a few things up - if an entire advanced civilisation disappears just like that it means something hella bad must've happened. There is one major thing missing: how s/he could know it's gonna happen soon? As far as I remember, Liara didn't know about the fact that Protheans disappeared 50,000 years after previous civilization - she didn't know about the cycle. Maybe indoctrinated Geth did know, but I'm not sure. Saren and Prothean Beacon are the only logical answer that comes to my mind right now. I'm ready to believe the Benefactor is Asari that was able to get informations from Prothean beacon from Thessia, but her knowledge was limited and unclear. Ofc, my only proof of Benefactor being Asari is Benefactor's female voice, but it could be fake.
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Post by izut on Apr 14, 2017 2:41:44 GMT
Saren was hunting Prothean beacon when we met him, not before. But he was indoctrinated probably for a few years already so he had to have some kind of plan before they found that beacon.
Could be Asari. We don't know how much they learned through all those years. Their beacon was kept as a secret, probably only a few knew about it and studied it. With their ability of sharing information and memories, they could've completely decoded what was the message. But... I can't see Asari being a cold blooded killer who'd work with Archon later on. Maybe the Asari tried to share it with the council or someone from the HQ, they took her knowledge, killed her and made a plan of their own? Asari aren't cruel if they're not Ardat Yakshi tbh. Even Aria had soft spots and protected her people. This benefactor seems to be working against humanity.
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Post by zawiszatheblack on Apr 14, 2017 2:53:55 GMT
ME trilogy is full of bad examples of Asari and we talk about the plan of saving almost every Milky Way's civilization. Will for survival makes people do bad things, so try to imagine what things poeple would do if they knew the entire galaxy is going to be erased from existance.
I really doubt the Citadel Council is the Benefactor, especially because Asari Councilor says her people have to make preparations for continuity of civilization, right after Thessia's fall.
My money goes for Asari (Thessia's Beacon), a Spectre probably (contact with Saren).
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 14, 2017 8:23:06 GMT
Does it really matter who he was ? He died hundreds years ago, unless he was Krogan or Asari.
Probably one of those things we will never find an answer, same like Angarian AI after taking it to Nexus.
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Post by izut on Apr 14, 2017 15:14:42 GMT
Does it really matter who he was ? He died hundreds years ago, unless he was Krogan or Asari.Probably one of those things we will never find an answer, same like Angarian AI after taking it to Nexus. The thing is, it looks like this person came to Andromeda.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 14, 2017 17:05:12 GMT
We don't know for sure. Other thing is, who the hell put so much many on AI and become un-noticed ?
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Post by izut on Apr 14, 2017 17:22:04 GMT
We don't know for sure. Other thing is, who the hell put so much many on AI and become un-noticed ? If Shadow Broker could stay in shadows until he pissed Liara off then benefactor could be unnoticed as well. At least until Ryder gets pissed off.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 14, 2017 17:59:29 GMT
Who knows, maybe the answer will came with Andromeda 2. Of course, if there will be any sequel...
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Post by zawiszatheblack on Apr 14, 2017 20:50:20 GMT
Who knows, maybe the answer will came with Andromeda 2. Of course, if there will be any sequel... Well... BioWare could always do the same thing that precious CD Projekt RED did with The Witcher 3 and release a full-fledged expansion instead of expansive DLCs with pitiful content.
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Post by geralt on Apr 14, 2017 23:10:21 GMT
Late to the party on this, but I’ll throw in my tuppence worth anyway.
Based on what we know from the games, TMB couldn’t possibly be Cerberus/TIM. While very wealthy & rich in Mass Effect terms, they had nowhere near enough to make up the shortfall the initiative had, let alone the extra money required on top of that to accelerate the launch plans.
It’s quantified for us by Shepard, Miranda & EDI in Mass Effect 2. Shepard makes the statement TIM could have got a whole army for the cash he spent bringing them back, Miranda states how huge an investment the whole project was. EDI tells us it was billions of credits worth that put a strain on Cerberus & its investors.
While I concede lore & previous statements can sometimes have no bearing on future game writing, such as Cerberus becoming akin to the Empire in ME3. Right now we can only go on what the games tell us, and from that it is clear Cerberus couldn’t have picked up the tab. Could have been a group wealthy folk or who knows what, a lot was left open to future possibilities, and nowhere near enough to narrow down as things stand.
Don’t forget who’s at the helm of this ship: Mac “Lots of speculation for everyone” Walters.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 15, 2017 1:23:30 GMT
While I'm fairly certain it isn't Cerberus, I'm not ruling them out based on ME2's assertion of their finances. ME3 already blew that out of the water considering that six months/a year later they had a fleet consisting of multiple cruisers and at least one dreadnought, and a force big enough that they could raid colonies for forcible recruitment.
Sure they were boosted by Reaper tech that they lifted from the Collector Base but that's still a very short window to have recovered it all - possibly from a nuked base - and researched it's applications to the point of fielding cybernetic super soldiers and building a considerable fleet, and having reaper tech doesn't translate to having the resources to roll it out like that.
In short, Cerberus is capable of whatever Bioware says Cerberus is capable of at a given moment, and they'll say they're capable of whatever they need them to be capable of to suit the needs of the story they're telling at the given moment.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 15, 2017 4:52:29 GMT
In short, Cerberus is capable of whatever Bioware says Cerberus is capable of at a given moment, and they'll say they're capable of whatever they need them to be capable of to suit the needs of the story they're telling at the given moment. Yep. A worthwhile rule to keep in mind with any fictional property, really.
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Post by cameronlfc on Apr 16, 2017 14:07:01 GMT
I was kinda drunk when I covered all this in game toward the end of the memory unlocking. Was it not Liara? I thought it was Liara. As a sort of contingency for the reapers? I just kinda skimmed these 9 posts so enlighten me as to why its not her if you'd be so kind, I need to get caught up on this debate apparently xD There wouldn't be a 10 page thread asking who the Mysterious Benefactor was if they tell you in game.
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Post by izut on Apr 16, 2017 14:18:43 GMT
Apparently someone found a mention to Max Ryder in Garson's stuff. Wonder who that is.
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Post by LordGunSmith90 on Apr 16, 2017 15:24:17 GMT
I'm betting it's TIM.
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Post by melisan on Apr 17, 2017 2:41:52 GMT
Theory: The Mysterious Benefactor is an AI
After reviewing the postings on this thread, I have come to propose the suggestion that the MB is an AI.
- "I knew something was coming" This distinctly sounds like something an AI would say. After reviewing countless data, the AI could project that something was coming up, without having a specific idea that it would be Reapers.
- The development of SAM Alec Ryder was not a scientist. His wife was a scientist with Implant specialization, not directly AI. I hardly doubt that a full fledged AI like SAM could be developed all by an ex-military and scientist couple. Perhaps It was, without knowledge of Dad Ryder, but possibly with knowledge of Mom Ryder, that an already established AI was egging along SAM development for Pathfinders, as well as setting up the Andromeda initiative.
- Many faced screen in communication with Dad Ryder. In Alec's memory, the face changes a lot on the screen, which many have assume was just "hiding identity". Could it possibly be that the reason behind switching faces is not because the MB wants to hide his/her face but because he/she doesn't have one?
- AI is in Andromeda by now, considering Garson's death etc, we can safely assume the AI is already in Andromeda, thus not TIM.
- SAM's memory blocks Throughout the game SAM seeds out little pockets of memory. Perhaps whole blocks of SAM is locked behind. Perhaps SAM is masking the AI.
- Mom Ryder's presence Mom Ryder is not awakened, saved for the sequels (BIG RED FLAG) Perhaps Mom Ryder has her own SAM, or portions of walled off SAM connects to Mom Ryder.
Suggestion:
- The MB is an AI option 1) Benevolent BF : SAM-AI linked to Mom Ryder 2) Nefarious BF : Original Pre-SAM AI independent of SAM, but served as SAM template
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 17, 2017 5:03:17 GMT
We don't know for sure. Other thing is, who the hell put so much many on AI and become un-noticed ? Considering the fact that a dev (forgot which one) said the story of the benefactor affects the entire story itself, it's safe to assume the benefactor came to Andromeda. Leaving the Benefactor back in the Milky Way would not allow any continuation of their story whatsoever.
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Post by AnticsOfAnthony on Apr 17, 2017 13:12:34 GMT
It's almost certainly TIM, which is a shame because he can't exactly show up. However, we can throw in other ideas here. For example, I'd love for it to turn out to be Udina and Anderson. Because they'd have the resources to do it as the Citadel Councilman for humanity as well as the people who believed in the Reapers. More Udina than Anderson, obviously since we know how events end. The biggest monkey-wrench into this theory is that TIM and Cerberus were all "Humanity Is #1, Aliens Can Go F$%& Themselves!" (Seriously, I could have sworn I saw a recruitment poster with that slogan... ;D), so I highly doubt they would pour the ridiculous amount of resources that the Initiative requires into it, knowing that it also helps further alien species as well. That, and their resources are not unlimited. The beginning of Mass Effect: Andromeda takes place around the same time that TIM and Cerberus are resurrecting Shepard with the Lazarus project in Mass Effect 2. Cerberus agents make it a point that nearly all of their resources were spent in bringing Shepard back, so I doubt they had enough to fund both of these major projects. Remember, TIM had complete faith in Shepard, which is why he went all-in on them, sparing no expense to bring them back, as they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 13:50:40 GMT
Something I haven't seen people talking about is how much Alec resembles Anakin, by the very makers of KOTOR. He had a twin son/daughter, tried to save his wife from death, turned to the forbidden to do it, and sacrificed his noble career.
Upon the final memory unlocks, I was nearly out of my seat pulling for Bioware to reveal TIM as the Benefactor, or Alec's Emperor Palpatine. "C'mon, TIM!"
"Do it."
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 17, 2017 13:56:34 GMT
It's almost certainly TIM, which is a shame because he can't exactly show up. However, we can throw in other ideas here. For example, I'd love for it to turn out to be Udina and Anderson. Because they'd have the resources to do it as the Citadel Councilman for humanity as well as the people who believed in the Reapers. More Udina than Anderson, obviously since we know how events end. That, and their resources are not unlimited. We all know they kinda are. They can build Nexus, Arks, two Citadels and giant platinum statue of Shepard if plot demands it. Game never even tried to somehow limit their funds, on the opposite even.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 17, 2017 14:03:26 GMT
I think it has to be an Asari. They are the only species in the galaxy* that naturally think in terms of centuries and plot over the course of centuries as well. So in my opinion, it would make the most sense that an Asari comes up with a plan that is centuries in the future. But really, I don't know *except the Thorian of course
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Post by izut on Apr 17, 2017 14:25:58 GMT
Theory: The Mysterious Benefactor is an AIAfter reviewing the postings on this thread, I have come to propose the suggestion that the MB is an AI. - "I knew something was coming" This distinctly sounds like something an AI would say. After reviewing countless data, the AI could project that something was coming up, without having a specific idea that it would be Reapers. - The development of SAM Alec Ryder was not a scientist. His wife was a scientist with Implant specialization, not directly AI. I hardly doubt that a full fledged AI like SAM could be developed all by an ex-military and scientist couple. Perhaps It was, without knowledge of Dad Ryder, but possibly with knowledge of Mom Ryder, that an already established AI was egging along SAM development for Pathfinders, as well as setting up the Andromeda initiative. - Many faced screen in communication with Dad Ryder. In Alec's memory, the face changes a lot on the screen, which many have assume was just "hiding identity". Could it possibly be that the reason behind switching faces is not because the MB wants to hide his/her face but because he/she doesn't have one? - AI is in Andromeda by now, considering Garson's death etc, we can safely assume the AI is already in Andromeda, thus not TIM. - SAM's memory blocks Throughout the game SAM seeds out little pockets of memory. Perhaps whole blocks of SAM is locked behind. Perhaps SAM is masking the AI. - Mom Ryder's presence Mom Ryder is not awakened, saved for the sequels (BIG RED FLAG) Perhaps Mom Ryder has her own SAM, or portions of walled off SAM connects to Mom Ryder. Suggestion: - The MB is an AI option 1) Benevolent BF : SAM-AI linked to Mom Ryder 2) Nefarious BF : Original Pre-SAM AI independent of SAM, but served as SAM template It can also be someone connected to Ryder's, like this mysterious Max Ryder some people found out about in Garson's stuff. Ellen has SAM, but it's the same one - Sara/Scott asked SAM why was he unable to cure her. But I think Alec putting Ellen in stasis, not letting her die, can have a second meaning - not only love, but also a need (she could know something, she might be the last person who ever heard about benefactor at all). The only one who could've known something was coming was probably an Asari - through the beacon on Thessia. They've studied it for centuries. Who knows how much they were able to decode. Benezia was most likely a part of that group, but couldn't have been a benefactor because she believed she'd be able to stop Saren, she had no backup plan. Besides, benefactor was contacting Garson and Alec after Benezia's death.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 17, 2017 21:25:33 GMT
Interesting to see where they go with this. I'm assuming there's plans to develop it in Dlc.
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