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Post by izut on Apr 17, 2017 23:30:28 GMT
Interesting to see where they go with this. I'm assuming there's plans to develop it in Dlc. It was mentioned in one of the interviews the benefactor's story is left like this on purpose - they'll dig deeper into it next time. Same goes with Garson's death, Ellen and more Ryder fam secrets are also coming. All this is way too much and too complicated for a DLC. I think benefactor story will continue for at least 2 more, Ellen can be cured in MEA2 if they find a cure and Ryder fam secrets can go at least as long as benefactor's. If they're connected, they'll probably end with benefactor's story or shortly before that. Garson's death will probably be solved by the end of MEA2. DLC contents for MEA, IMO, are: - visiting Ryder-1 aka Habitat 7 once again, collect Alec's body and give him a proper burial or bury him with honors there (they didn't took his body with them), end what Alec started and put an outpost (probably named after him or after something that was dear to him) - Meridian vault (there is one, it can have a map of the entire galaxy, maybe there're more "planets" like Meridian, each in different cluster) - welcome back party for the twin, where the twin will meet Tempest crew - problems with that kett who's face we've seen at the very end - securing Hyperion on Meridian (they can't move it), waking up people, making sure Ellen is left in stasis until they find a cure
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 23:36:28 GMT
Interesting to see where they go with this. I'm assuming there's plans to develop it in Dlc. It was mentioned in one of the interviews the benefactor's story is left like this on purpose - they'll dig deeper into it next time. Same goes with Garson's death, Ellen and more Ryder fam secrets are also coming. All this is way too much and too complicated for a DLC. I think benefactor story will continue for at least 2 more, Ellen can be cured in MEA2 if they find a cure and Ryder fam secrets can go at least as long as benefactor's. If they're connected, they'll probably end with benefactor's story or shortly before that. Garson's death will probably be solved by the end of MEA2. Not a good way to go with stuff like that. Disappointing and a nuisance for the player. You may or may not get a resolution for your game content.In any way, gimme money for what should have been included in a standalone game. This hasn't been advertised as series of games as opposed to the first three parts.
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Post by izut on Apr 17, 2017 23:41:06 GMT
It was mentioned in one of the interviews the benefactor's story is left like this on purpose - they'll dig deeper into it next time. Same goes with Garson's death, Ellen and more Ryder fam secrets are also coming. All this is way too much and too complicated for a DLC. I think benefactor story will continue for at least 2 more, Ellen can be cured in MEA2 if they find a cure and Ryder fam secrets can go at least as long as benefactor's. If they're connected, they'll probably end with benefactor's story or shortly before that. Garson's death will probably be solved by the end of MEA2. Not a good way to go with stuff like that. Disappointing and a nuisance for the player. You may or may not get a resolution for your game content.In any way, gimme money for what should have been included in a standalone game. This hasn't been advertised as series of games as opposed to the first three parts. They said they don't plan another trilogy, but they didn't say how many games there will be. We're talking about a whole new galaxy in which we've just explored a part of one cluster. If this continues, there should be 1 MEA for each cluster and that means more than 3 games. Making Ryder 22 is a huge bonus here because they can explore entire galaxy before they hit 30. They can literally make a Tomb Raider in space with all those vaults and Jardaan and Angaran artifacts.
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 23:45:45 GMT
Pure speculation. They provided content, hooked you on that, just to leave you standing in the rain without any kind of resolution. That's shady, if it isn't just a case of bad writing. I can understand something being left open, such as the nature of the Kett, but not the side quests. I'm not speculating when playing a game. If there's an interesting questline I want to see that resolved through my efforts.
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Post by izut on Apr 18, 2017 0:04:14 GMT
Pure speculation. They provided content, hooked you on that, just to leave you standing in the rain without any kind of resolution. That's shady, if it isn't just a case of bad writing. I can understand something being left open, such as the nature of the Kett, but not the side quests. I'm not speculating when playing a game. If there's an interesting questline I want to see that resolved through my efforts. You can have side stories connected to the main story and it happened before. Benefactor is connected to the main story via Initiative, Garson, Alec and Kett. Ryder's story too since Alec was involved in Initiative and was one of 2, maybe 3 (if Ellen knew) people who were in contact with Benefactor. Ellen, like it or not, end up involved as well because Alec joined the project for her - to find a cure. Reapers in ME1 and ME2 were a side story (someone above the Kett in Andromeda). So were the Protheans (Jardaan in Andromeda). Saren and stopping him was the main quest in ME1 (Archon in Andromeda). Benefactor in Andromeda seems to be like TIM in Milky Way. First mention of Cerberus (TIM) was in ME1. Shepard's past was important only for the side quest, but... Shepard was already a hero with solid bases while Ryder is not. Twins are barely adults and we'll make them hero.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 5:51:14 GMT
Pure speculation. They provided content, hooked you on that, just to leave you standing in the rain without any kind of resolution. That's shady, if it isn't just a case of bad writing. I can understand something being left open, such as the nature of the Kett, but not the side quests. I'm not speculating when playing a game. If there's an interesting questline I want to see that resolved through my efforts. that's how stories like these are. ME did , da did it, halo did it, game of thrown's did it, star war did it, etc ,etc. Just wait and answers will come. If you don't like this type of story telling then don't invest in story that do this.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 19, 2017 0:00:42 GMT
Just wait and answers will come. If you don't like this type of story telling then don't invest in story that do this. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I don't like this type of story telling. I think it has more to do with the fact that Mass Effect stories that involve mysteries have not been treated with much respect. Remember the mystery about that sun was dying out too early and how it was linked to dark energy? Dropped. The real Quarian faces? Poorly photoshopped Getty Image that didn't even get the Quarian proportions correct. Mystery behind the Reapers? Some dumb synthetics killing everyone to save them from synthetics. Who exactly is the Illusive Man? Just some guy who wants to control space squids. What happened to Shepard and the crew of the Normandy? We'll never know because we're in Andromeda now. And given how Mac Walters is still the big cheese of Andromeda, I really don't expect anything good or satisfactory to come from these mysteries. Consider yourself lucky if they're even continued at all.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 19, 2017 1:45:28 GMT
My crazy theory for this is that the MB and the killer are different people with different goals. Garson was clearly paranoid but the question is did she really have a valid reason to fear? Well yeah she was murdered however I think that murder was just a powerplay move by someone who wanted to be top dog like Addison although she would be to oblivious.
As for the MB my theory gets even crazier!! What about the Geth or Legion? Thinking back to ME2 and the shadowbroker terminal that had dossiers on all the crew and how Legion had hacked something for the credits that he gave to the Quarian relief fund or something like that. A race of AIs certainly could steal enough credits for such a project and have good reason to keep their identity hidden. I feel there is probably a zero percent chance of me being right but it certainly be a strange twist.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 19, 2017 5:12:04 GMT
Just wait and answers will come. If you don't like this type of story telling then don't invest in story that do this. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I don't like this type of story telling. I think it has more to do with the fact that Mass Effect stories that involve mysteries have not been treated with much respect. Remember the mystery about that sun was dying out too early and how it was linked to dark energy? Dropped. The real Quarian faces? Poorly photoshopped Getty Image that didn't even get the Quarian proportions correct. Mystery behind the Reapers? Some dumb synthetics killing everyone to save them from synthetics. Who exactly is the Illusive Man? Just some guy who wants to control space squids. What happened to Shepard and the crew of the Normandy? We'll never know because we're in Andromeda now. And given how Mac Walters is still the big cheese of Andromeda, I really don't expect anything good or satisfactory to come from these mysteries. Consider yourself lucky if they're even continued at all. Tim is more then that but he straight up tells you he want to use reaper tech to advance humanity. The quarina sub plot was badly drop. the reaper are just badly programmed AI and you should already know what they think is the problem is not the problem on hand. And what happened to Shepard and crew...Dude, you know they are not going to tell any time soon.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 19, 2017 11:30:08 GMT
The mysterious benefactor is Illusive Man clone. That's simple. He already make Shep clone for parts, definitely he makes his own clone "if" something will happen, just to be sure that his legacy will survive.
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Post by canuckgamer on Apr 20, 2017 4:46:42 GMT
Pure speculation. They provided content, hooked you on that, just to leave you standing in the rain without any kind of resolution. That's shady, if it isn't just a case of bad writing. I can understand something being left open, such as the nature of the Kett, but not the side quests. I'm not speculating when playing a game. If there's an interesting questline I want to see that resolved through my efforts. Ya its not like they have teased hidden organizations before only to have them play a major role in a sequel or something... It's called a meta story. The main story of this game was completely resolved, but it has deeper mysteries yet to be solved which could continue to play out as every single bioware game has done. There was more than enough involved for the money you pay for this game. You can pay $20 for a movie for 2 hours of entertainment or $60 for 80 plus hours. The Benefactor is playing out similar to Cerberus in the first game. It wasn't a critical game element, and not knowing about him in no way impacted this games story. The Jaardan started to take shape but they are an entire civilization to be explored and studied. The Protheon were explained slowly over 3 games. They said this wasn't a trilogy like the OT. With a single bad guy over 3 games. They said this would be set for maximum flexibility and it was. They may continue with Ryder, they may not. They may go ahead 5 years of 500 between games. The mysteries left form an undercurrent to the game that can play out even if each game has a standalone plot.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 20, 2017 7:36:45 GMT
5 bucks says its Ellen
......or Jar Jar.....
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 20, 2017 14:48:15 GMT
So I'm thinking the original Shadow Broker, before the Yagh, is the one pulling the strings. Faked their own death and kept using the Broker recources through back-door systems installed in the system. I'd like the original Broker to be either an Asari matriarch or a whole family of Salarians.
(S)he/they knew about the Reapers early on and was looking for alternatives. Funding no doubt came from a number of sources: the Broker could've swinled money from most governments under aliases, Cerberus etc.
But I can't come up with a motivation for the murder....? I hope it isn't just because their planning to become the power behind the throne and Garsen knew too much, so she had to go. Maybe they didn't want people knowing about the Reapers, because it would cause panic and put more pressure on everyone?
But it's someone closer to home most likely, so.... SAM? I hadn't thought of this one, but since I read most of this thread, I'd be ok with the MB being it.
Just some speculation full of holes.... I just wish it isn't Cerberus wanting human dominance again.
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Post by ladiesman777 on Apr 20, 2017 19:16:55 GMT
What if the Benefactor was Shephard? I had 9999999 credits after ME1, then maybe Shep could of saved up there ME2 money aswell to donate for it. The mineral scanning all went to the crucible of course, Shepard knew the economy would crash when the Reapers arrived anyway
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 21, 2017 3:13:56 GMT
Had a new suspect/possibility pop up in my head (which was probably brought up before anyway) - maybe Leviathans? Apart from the Shadow Broker(s) and Saren/Benezia, they're the only ones established to know about the Reapers and they're also established to manipulate the Milky Way races to their own agenda. Could be that they're trying to get the Inititative out to Andromeda and basically have it prep a new kindgom of worlds and 100,000 potential thralls for themselves to rule over away from Reaper "issue". Maybe they would arrive later or have some thralls (via fragments sneaked on board the Nexus) build a relay to pop in or something. At least they could wipe out the Kett after arriving in Andromeda :-P What if the Benefactor was Shephard? I had 9999999 credits after ME1, then maybe Shep could of saved up there ME2 money aswell to donate for it. The mineral scanning all went to the crucible of course, Shepard knew the economy would crash when the Reapers arrived anyway And where was your 9999999 credits after you died? Hint: that fancy decor in posh Ilum broker office ain't cheap. Blueberry stole our money :rage:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 3:16:01 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but in the Pathfinder office close to where Cora hangs out you can find the schematics for the Normandy SR-2. I don't mean a tiny ship to display in your quarters, but the actual schematics.
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Post by zallister on Apr 21, 2017 7:30:04 GMT
My guess is that the benifictor is the Illusive man!
We know that TIM kill his Researcher for security.
We know that a few ex-Cerberus People join the AI to be as much away from TIM as possible.
What is if there are more Ex-Cerberus People and one find out the Connection TIM - Jien Garson?
Could be that such a People think that Garson is a "Cerberus Bitch" and kill her to protect the AI from Cerberus.
Missunderstanding and uncomplete Facts with fatal end for Garson.
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Post by feuerrabe on Apr 21, 2017 10:38:54 GMT
It's almost certainly TIM, which is a shame because he can't exactly show up. Makes little sense from a story-telling point of view. With Mass Effect 3 the story of TIM is told, makes little sense to extend upon it. Of course he has the resources and it fits his MO, but the Initiative is not human centric enough to be a secret Cerberus offshot. Hard to imagine that there'd be an Asarian, Turian and Asari arch with TIM.
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Post by michaelm on Apr 21, 2017 11:07:56 GMT
Look at the memories again. In them the benefactor, even though using a jumble of different species for avatars, speaks with a female voice.
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Post by danaxe on Apr 21, 2017 17:42:10 GMT
I dont think it could be TIM. Dont think Bioware would risk beating that dead horse. BUT, i do believe he is somehow connected, Cora HARPER is too much of a coincidence... she knows stuff she aint telling yet... In Alec Ryder's memories when the benefactor is talking to him he/she specifically says he/she IS in the Initiave, didnt stay behind. So it cant be TIM cause he was in milky way after the initiave left.
Also, I think both Jien and Alec are alive. Jien's face was too burnt to actually have a 100% certainty that it was her. And when you talk to Dr. Carlysle and Cora after Alec's death, they are super dismissive about it and avoid the conversation. Probably the reason why Dr. Carlysle stayed in the Hyperion instead of the Pathfinder team (as he was supposed too) was to oversee Alec's condition after his fake death. Jien and Alec are now probably somewhere on Habitat 7. I mean, they really dont give you a satisfying reason why Habitat 7 is gonna be terraformed the normal way, like, dont go there any time soon, cause that place is gonna take centuries to be liveable. They dont even send you to check out the vault to make sure you cant terraform it with Remnant tech?? Also, i bet Alec is there sipping mojitos and giggleing cause Scott/Sara thinks Ryder-1 was named after them, muahahah dad of the year.
And the reason for fake deaths? Well the benefactor thinks he removed the threats to his goal. Let him get comfortable make his next move, watch it from a safe place, and strike when he shows himself up.
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Post by roelka on Apr 21, 2017 18:20:52 GMT
Interesting to see where they go with this. I'm assuming there's plans to develop it in Dlc. It was mentioned in one of the interviews the benefactor's story is left like this on purpose - they'll dig deeper into it next time. Same goes with Garson's death, Ellen and more Ryder fam secrets are also coming. All this is way too much and too complicated for a DLC. I think benefactor story will continue for at least 2 more, Ellen can be cured in MEA2 if they find a cure and Ryder fam secrets can go at least as long as benefactor's. If they're connected, they'll probably end with benefactor's story or shortly before that. Garson's death will probably be solved by the end of MEA2. DLC contents for MEA, IMO, are: - visiting Ryder-1 aka Habitat 7 once again, collect Alec's body and give him a proper burial or bury him with honors there (they didn't took his body with them), end what Alec started and put an outpost (probably named after him or after something that was dear to him) - Meridian vault (there is one, it can have a map of the entire galaxy, maybe there're more "planets" like Meridian, each in different cluster) - welcome back party for the twin, where the twin will meet Tempest crew - problems with that kett who's face we've seen at the very end - securing Hyperion on Meridian (they can't move it), waking up people, making sure Ellen is left in stasis until they find a cure Don't forget the Quarian Ark. The recorded transmission from that Ark made it 100% sure it's happening (You can listen to it at the end game thing ). I think that's going to be the first DLC also.
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Post by izut on Apr 21, 2017 19:54:53 GMT
It was mentioned in one of the interviews the benefactor's story is left like this on purpose - they'll dig deeper into it next time. Same goes with Garson's death, Ellen and more Ryder fam secrets are also coming. All this is way too much and too complicated for a DLC. I think benefactor story will continue for at least 2 more, Ellen can be cured in MEA2 if they find a cure and Ryder fam secrets can go at least as long as benefactor's. If they're connected, they'll probably end with benefactor's story or shortly before that. Garson's death will probably be solved by the end of MEA2. DLC contents for MEA, IMO, are: - visiting Ryder-1 aka Habitat 7 once again, collect Alec's body and give him a proper burial or bury him with honors there (they didn't took his body with them), end what Alec started and put an outpost (probably named after him or after something that was dear to him) - Meridian vault (there is one, it can have a map of the entire galaxy, maybe there're more "planets" like Meridian, each in different cluster) - welcome back party for the twin, where the twin will meet Tempest crew - problems with that kett who's face we've seen at the very end - securing Hyperion on Meridian (they can't move it), waking up people, making sure Ellen is left in stasis until they find a cure Don't forget the Quarian Ark. The recorded transmission from that Ark made it 100% sure it's happening (You can listen to it at the end game thing ). I think that's going to be the first DLC also. Not a chance. They made it very cleary - they don't want to be found. Whatever problems they're facing, are too serious for DLC. They'll be left for another game and you can bet whatever they're facing will come to Andromeda creating another huge problem. Saren = Archon Problems the last Ark is facing = Collectors Benefactor: “The mysterious benefactor is intentionally left unresolved, as it has deeper ties to the metastory of the MEA saga. By the time you find the killer, they’re long gone…” source
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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 22, 2017 1:05:24 GMT
Pure speculation. They provided content, hooked you on that, just to leave you standing in the rain without any kind of resolution. That's shady, if it isn't just a case of bad writing. I can understand something being left open, such as the nature of the Kett, but not the side quests. I'm not speculating when playing a game. If there's an interesting questline I want to see that resolved through my efforts. that's how stories like these are. ME did , da did it, halo did it, game of thrown's did it, star war did it, etc ,etc. Just wait and answers will come. If you don't like this type of story telling then don't invest in story that do this. The problem I have with so many unanswered important story archs is this little thing called dlc that films and television don't have. Sure film and tv have cliffhangers, but they have maybe one or two story threads left open so they can use it in the next episode or film as a jumping off point. Theres just to many loose ends here. DLC's should be well add-ons not something thats a crutch for the developers as a story hook to end those loose ends. I mean, imagine if Hollywood adopted this idea and cut there films a half-hour shorter and then six months later or whatever released the other half? To me it feels like nickel and diming us for answers that should have been in the final product. Of course we obviously don't know what there dlc plans are, but ME2 and 3 both had set-up like quests that led to DLC: Shadow Broker and Omega.
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Post by izut on Apr 22, 2017 1:19:27 GMT
that's how stories like these are. ME did , da did it, halo did it, game of thrown's did it, star war did it, etc ,etc. Just wait and answers will come. If you don't like this type of story telling then don't invest in story that do this. The problem I have with so many unanswered important story archs is this little thing called dlc that films and television don't have. Sure film and tv have cliffhangers, but they have maybe one or two story threads left open so they can use it in the next episode or film as a jumping off point. Theres just to many loose ends here. DLC's should be well add-ons not something thats a crutch for the developers as a story hook to end those loose ends. I mean, imagine if Hollywood adopted this idea and cut there films a half-hour shorter and then six months later or whatever released the other half? To me it feels like nickel and diming us for answers that should have been in the final product. Of course we obviously don't know what there dlc plans are, but ME2 and 3 both had set-up like quests that led to DLC: Shadow Broker and Omega. Shadow Broker should've been one of the side quests, not a DLC which is unavailable for some regions (seriously, unlock the damn thing already! ). All others were addons IMO. Same will happen with MEA, I believe. You must remember they had to make those loose ends because more games are coming and I doubt it'll be just a sequel. I think they want to make it a long-term series, like DA, but with the same protag (that's why they made Ryder so young and we've only seen a part of one cluster so far).
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by michaelm on Apr 22, 2017 1:41:20 GMT
Don't forget the Quarian Ark. The recorded transmission from that Ark made it 100% sure it's happening (You can listen to it at the end game thing ). I think that's going to be the first DLC also. Not a chance. They made it very cleary - they don't want to be found. Whatever problems they're facing, are too serious for DLC. I highly doubt that. Or I hope not. They can't just tease us with Quarians that need saving and then make us wait how many years for the Sequel to finally mount said rescue? The Keelah Si'yah has to be a Story DLC.
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