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Post by Fogg on Mar 31, 2017 21:26:08 GMT
I agree. That 'attempted murder' was not on the table was one of my biggest frustrations with the entire game. I still exiled him, and he seemed happy on Kadara, so it all turned out in the end. But still.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 21:35:10 GMT
Let's see... This is the same civilized society that allows Shepard to gun down 2 people in front of a bar in ME1 within a very short time of coming onto the Citadel, kill 4 people in a medical clinic, clear out an entire bar of people and murder the bar owner, and then shoot several people in a back alley... all before becoming a spectre and without any mention of holding a trial. I believe Shepard could also gun down Chorban in the market place before becoming a spectre and sabotage the AI behind Delan's Emporium. This is also the same civilized society that, in ME2, allows a disavowed Spectre and a Turian vigilante to gun down a citizen on the Citadel while standing amid a bunch of other innocent civilians... still without mention of a trial. He can also just stand by and watch Nassana Dantius be assassinated on Illium and leave the system with the assassin without even being questioned... regardless of his loss of spectre status or not. I'm sorry, but the writing of justice issues and due process in Mass Effect got stupid right at the start of the Trilogy... and for those carrying on about Mac Walters - much of it had nothing to do with him. In addition, I believe it was basically stated that most of the writing of ME:A had been completed before Chris Schlerf left the position of lead writer. ME:A is really just carrying on like the Mass Effect game it is. Well, to be fair, you are still part of Ambassador Udina's delegation and thus protected by diplomatic immunity to some extent. But was I the only one who actually LIKED how unconsciously fascist and disturbing Citadel Space was? I even liked how the second game revealed it was the ASARI'S influence that makes it that way. Where, except in your imagination does it say that lowly Lt. Commander and squad fall under Udina's diplomatic immunity?... and how does that cover the incidents in ME2 where Shepard is not reinstated as a spectre and is known to be working for a terrorist organization? I'm not saying it's not fun as a game... I'm saying it's a little ridiculous to hold ME:A up to this higher legal standard when the original Trilogy didn't hold up to it at all. Adding to my previous list... Shepard could also shoot Jax in the marketplace and foil a C-Sec investigation before becoming spectre and face only a relatively mild retort from Chellick. Shepard can also openly scan keepers before becoming a spectre... something we are told would result in immediate incarceration. In ME2, Shepard could also shoot Conrad Verner in the foot in the middle of a bar without being questioned by anyone. I think the AI went heads and heels above the old Trilogy by virtue of the fact that they held even some sort of trial before Ryder came along. I think that if the murder had occurred in ME1 or ME2, it would have just simply been ignored by the legal authorities altogether... but heaven forbid you find yourself preaching outside a designated zone without a permit on the Citadel. ME's "legal system" is a joke... within a game. People really need to chill.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 21:41:07 GMT
Well, to be fair, you are still part of Ambassador Udina's delegation and thus protected by diplomatic immunity to some extent. But was I the only one who actually LIKED how unconsciously fascist and disturbing Citadel Space was? I even liked how the second game revealed it was the ASARI'S influence that makes it that way. Where, except in your imagination does it say that lowly Lt. Commander and squad fall under Udina's diplomatic immunity?... and how does that cover the incidents in ME2 where Shepard is not reinstated as a spectre and is known to be working for a terrorist organization? I'm not saying it's not fun as a game... I'm saying it's a little ridiculous to hold ME:A up to this higher legal standard when the original Trilogy didn't hold up to it at all. Adding to my previous list... Shepard could also shoot Jax in the marketplace and foil a C-Sec investigation before becoming spectre and face only a relatively mild retort from Chellick. Shepard can also openly scan keepers before becoming a spectre... something we are told would result in immediate incarceration. In ME2, Shepard could also shoot Conrad Verner in the foot in the middle of a bar without being questioned by anyone. I think the AI went heads and heels above the old Trilogy by virtue of the fact that they held even some sort of trial before Ryder came along. I think that if the murder had occurred in ME1 or ME2, it would have just simply been ignored by the legal authorities altogether... but heaven forbid you find yourself preaching outside a designated zone without a permit on the Citadel. It's a joke... within a game. People really need to chill. 1. Well, the fact that Shepard is acting as part of the Alliance and as part of Udina's entourage. Americans commit crimes all the time and Ambassador's sort it out all the time even without them being a highly ranked Navy Seal-equivalent. China, for example, has a strong policy against allowing the extradition of their citizens and arrest. This is real life stuff and that doesn't involve the fact Shepard is made a Specter hours later. 2. Okay, the only person who actually looks like an idiot in that situation is Ashley/Kaiden. Shepard's first action after meeting the Illusive Man is to go visit Udina and talk with Admiral Anderson/Councilman Anderson. The whole idea of Shepard working for a terrorist organization is a joke since he has pretty much the permission of the highest authority in the Alliance from the beginning. Also, all of his activities in Omega are stated to be outside the authority of the Council and thus none of their concern. Ashley and Kaiden look specifically like idiots since it's not like there's any reason to hide the fact Shepard is operating under Alliance permission. It's not like RL isn't full of CIA agents working with local terrorists/revolutionaries/partisans against other threats. 3. We should also remember that the ME universe has a lot of slums and hellholes with little in the way of law. Chora's Den is in the "bad part of town" to begin with, let alone Omega and the rest of the Terminus.
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Post by sdzald on Mar 31, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
So that is what happens to him if you exile him. If you let him go. later on he is asking to be put back in stasis, that his wife left him after finding out all the details and no one trusts him. I give him the ole buck and fly right, ME1 anyone, speech and I haven't seen him since. Edit added: Oppps that was meant for Fogg sorry.
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Post by London on Mar 31, 2017 21:54:17 GMT
Well, to be fair, you are still part of Ambassador Udina's delegation and thus protected by diplomatic immunity to some extent. But was I the only one who actually LIKED how unconsciously fascist and disturbing Citadel Space was? I even liked how the second game revealed it was the ASARI'S influence that makes it that way. Where, except in your imagination does it say that lowly Lt. Commander and squad fall under Udina's diplomatic immunity?... and how does that cover the incidents in ME2 where Shepard is not reinstated as a spectre and is known to be working for a terrorist organization? I'm not saying it's not fun as a game... I'm saying it's a little ridiculous to hold ME:A up to this higher legal standard when the original Trilogy didn't hold up to it at all. Adding to my previous list... Shepard could also shoot Jax in the marketplace and foil a C-Sec investigation before becoming spectre and face only a relatively mild retort from Chellick. Shepard can also openly scan keepers before becoming a spectre... something we are told would result in immediate incarceration. In ME2, Shepard could also shoot Conrad Verner in the foot in the middle of a bar without being questioned by anyone. I think the AI went heads and heels above the old Trilogy by virtue of the fact that they held even some sort of trial before Ryder came along. I think that if the murder had occurred in ME1 or ME2, it would have just simply been ignored by the legal authorities altogether... but heaven forbid you find yourself preaching outside a designated zone without a permit on the Citadel. It's a joke... within a game. People really need to chill. The problem with is argument is that the original MEs didn't thrust their legal system or lack thereof into the forefront by making it the focus of a side-story with what is supposed to be a morality/ethics-based decision at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 22:26:34 GMT
Where, except in your imagination does it say that lowly Lt. Commander and squad fall under Udina's diplomatic immunity?... and how does that cover the incidents in ME2 where Shepard is not reinstated as a spectre and is known to be working for a terrorist organization? I'm not saying it's not fun as a game... I'm saying it's a little ridiculous to hold ME:A up to this higher legal standard when the original Trilogy didn't hold up to it at all. Adding to my previous list... Shepard could also shoot Jax in the marketplace and foil a C-Sec investigation before becoming spectre and face only a relatively mild retort from Chellick. Shepard can also openly scan keepers before becoming a spectre... something we are told would result in immediate incarceration. In ME2, Shepard could also shoot Conrad Verner in the foot in the middle of a bar without being questioned by anyone. I think the AI went heads and heels above the old Trilogy by virtue of the fact that they held even some sort of trial before Ryder came along. I think that if the murder had occurred in ME1 or ME2, it would have just simply been ignored by the legal authorities altogether... but heaven forbid you find yourself preaching outside a designated zone without a permit on the Citadel. It's a joke... within a game. People really need to chill. The problem with is argument is that the original MEs didn't thrust their legal system or lack thereof into the forefront by making it the focus of a side-story with what is supposed to be a morality/ethics-based decision at the end. Oh yes they did... Examples... Shepard's conversation with Executor Palin about "accountability" in ME1... or the whole concept of Asari Justicars in ME2 the legality of contractual slavery on Illium... or Bailey taking bribes for Joram Talid in ME2... or all the references to "by the book" in the Blasto clip in ME3. There are many parts of the MET the subject the concept of law and justice in a satirical light as a means of "social commentary." The ME:A murder investigation is just an extension of the same sort of social commentary. In fact... Thane's son attempts a murder... and Shepard gets him off with a little bit of community service plus encourages Bailey to let Thane, a known assassin walk.
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Post by London on Mar 31, 2017 22:36:23 GMT
The problem with is argument is that the original MEs didn't thrust their legal system or lack thereof into the forefront by making it the focus of a side-story with what is supposed to be a morality/ethics-based decision at the end. Oh yes they did... Examples... Shepard's conversation with Executor Palin about "accountability" in ME1... or the whole concept of Asari Justicars in ME2 the legality of contractual slavery on Illium... or Bailey taking bribes for Joram Talid in ME2... or all the references to "by the book" in the Blasto clip in ME3. There are many parts of the MET the subject the concept of law and justice in a satirical light as a means of "social commentary." The ME:A murder investigation is just an extension of the same sort of social commentary. In fact... Thane's son attempts a murder... and Shepard gets him off with a little bit of community service plus encourages Bailey to let Thane, a known assassin walk. Clearly your memory and probably playthroughs of the original ME Trilogy exceeds mine - regardless doesn't excuse continued poor writing here. So what exactly is the point?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 22:37:18 GMT
Where, except in your imagination does it say that lowly Lt. Commander and squad fall under Udina's diplomatic immunity?... and how does that cover the incidents in ME2 where Shepard is not reinstated as a spectre and is known to be working for a terrorist organization? I'm not saying it's not fun as a game... I'm saying it's a little ridiculous to hold ME:A up to this higher legal standard when the original Trilogy didn't hold up to it at all. Adding to my previous list... Shepard could also shoot Jax in the marketplace and foil a C-Sec investigation before becoming spectre and face only a relatively mild retort from Chellick. Shepard can also openly scan keepers before becoming a spectre... something we are told would result in immediate incarceration. In ME2, Shepard could also shoot Conrad Verner in the foot in the middle of a bar without being questioned by anyone. I think the AI went heads and heels above the old Trilogy by virtue of the fact that they held even some sort of trial before Ryder came along. I think that if the murder had occurred in ME1 or ME2, it would have just simply been ignored by the legal authorities altogether... but heaven forbid you find yourself preaching outside a designated zone without a permit on the Citadel. It's a joke... within a game. People really need to chill. 1. Well, the fact that Shepard is acting as part of the Alliance and as part of Udina's entourage. Americans commit crimes all the time and Ambassador's sort it out all the time even without them being a highly ranked Navy Seal-equivalent. China, for example, has a strong policy against allowing the extradition of their citizens and arrest. This is real life stuff and that doesn't involve the fact Shepard is made a Specter hours later. 2. Okay, the only person who actually looks like an idiot in that situation is Ashley/Kaiden. Shepard's first action after meeting the Illusive Man is to go visit Udina and talk with Admiral Anderson/Councilman Anderson. The whole idea of Shepard working for a terrorist organization is a joke since he has pretty much the permission of the highest authority in the Alliance from the beginning. Also, all of his activities in Omega are stated to be outside the authority of the Council and thus none of their concern. Ashley and Kaiden look specifically like idiots since it's not like there's any reason to hide the fact Shepard is operating under Alliance permission. It's not like RL isn't full of CIA agents working with local terrorists/revolutionaries/partisans against other threats. 3. We should also remember that the ME universe has a lot of slums and hellholes with little in the way of law. Chora's Den is in the "bad part of town" to begin with, let alone Omega and the rest of the Terminus. We're not talking about US law here... we're talking about the legal system on the Citadel... and no where does it state in the game that they are ignoring what Shepard does because he's in Udina's entourage. As for ME2, Shepard can play the whole game without being reinstated as a spectre and still help a vigilante commit a murder in a public place right on the Citadel without any repercussion being mentioned. He is also not with the Alliance at that point in time. That murder is not committed in a slum or hell-hole on the Citadel, but in a public market... nor is the shooting of Jax or Chorban in ME1. My point here is no one bats an eye at this "lack of legal" shit in ME1 or ME2... but go absolutely out of their way to criticize Mac Walters about it in ME:A... even though the writing is on the same level and even though it is very likely that Mac Walters did not write this quest in ME:A either.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 22:45:49 GMT
1. Well, the fact that Shepard is acting as part of the Alliance and as part of Udina's entourage. Americans commit crimes all the time and Ambassador's sort it out all the time even without them being a highly ranked Navy Seal-equivalent. China, for example, has a strong policy against allowing the extradition of their citizens and arrest. This is real life stuff and that doesn't involve the fact Shepard is made a Specter hours later. 2. Okay, the only person who actually looks like an idiot in that situation is Ashley/Kaiden. Shepard's first action after meeting the Illusive Man is to go visit Udina and talk with Admiral Anderson/Councilman Anderson. The whole idea of Shepard working for a terrorist organization is a joke since he has pretty much the permission of the highest authority in the Alliance from the beginning. Also, all of his activities in Omega are stated to be outside the authority of the Council and thus none of their concern. Ashley and Kaiden look specifically like idiots since it's not like there's any reason to hide the fact Shepard is operating under Alliance permission. It's not like RL isn't full of CIA agents working with local terrorists/revolutionaries/partisans against other threats. 3. We should also remember that the ME universe has a lot of slums and hellholes with little in the way of law. Chora's Den is in the "bad part of town" to begin with, let alone Omega and the rest of the Terminus. We're not talking about US law here... we're talking about the legal system on the Citadel... and no where does it state in the game that they are ignoring what Shepard does because he's in Udina's entourage. As for ME2, Shepard can play the whole game without being reinstated as a spectre and still help a vigilante commit a murder in a public place right on the Citadel without any repercussion being mentioned. He is also not with the Alliance at that point in time. That murder is not committed in a slum or hell-hole on the Citadel, but in a public market... nor is the shooting of Jax or Chorban in ME1. My point here is no one bats an eye at this "lack of legal" shit in ME1 or ME2... but go absolutely out of their way to criticize Mac Walters about it in ME:A... even though the writing is on the same level and even though it is very likely that Mac Walters did not write this quest in ME:A either. 1. Actually, we're talking standards and customs of the world here and they DO ignore all of his crimes. 2. And? Just because it's a crime doesn't mean he gets caught.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 31, 2017 22:46:23 GMT
So that is what happens to him if you exile him. If you let him go. later on he is asking to be put back in stasis, that his wife left him after finding out all the details and no one trusts him. I give him the ole buck and fly right, ME1 anyone, speech and I haven't seen him since. Edit added: Oppps that was meant for Fogg sorry. Seems like he's a lot happier to be exiled, his wife comes along to Kadara
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Post by Iakus on Mar 31, 2017 23:27:48 GMT
Community service for attempted murder? Sounds legit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 23:31:37 GMT
We're not talking about US law here... we're talking about the legal system on the Citadel... and no where does it state in the game that they are ignoring what Shepard does because he's in Udina's entourage. As for ME2, Shepard can play the whole game without being reinstated as a spectre and still help a vigilante commit a murder in a public place right on the Citadel without any repercussion being mentioned. He is also not with the Alliance at that point in time. That murder is not committed in a slum or hell-hole on the Citadel, but in a public market... nor is the shooting of Jax or Chorban in ME1. My point here is no one bats an eye at this "lack of legal" shit in ME1 or ME2... but go absolutely out of their way to criticize Mac Walters about it in ME:A... even though the writing is on the same level and even though it is very likely that Mac Walters did not write this quest in ME:A either. 1. Actually, we're talking standards and customs of the world here and they DO ignore all of his crimes. 2. And? Just because it's a crime doesn't mean he gets caught. Then, they should, for all intents and purposes be OK with just ignoring this attempted murder. Shepard is "caught" for impeding Chellick's investigation and merely gets a little "What the hell are you doing?" from Chellick for it. So, in the ME universe, allowing for "exile" for attempted murder seems to be a fair punishment. It's the equal of the punishment the "court" rendered when they convicted him of actual murder... so it does not equate to just letting him off. Other options do exist. If the player doesn't feel Ryder should be making that decision, then just don't do the quest... same as Shepard could skip over Thane's loyalty mission if he/she didn't want to be left convincing Bailey to let Kolyat off with community service.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 23:32:56 GMT
Community service for attempted murder? Sounds legit That's exactly what Shepard convinces Bailey to do with Kolyat once Thane's loyalty quest is completed in ME2. There is no choice available to send Kolyat to prison.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 31, 2017 23:37:23 GMT
Community service for attempted murder? Sounds legit That's exactly what Shepard convinces Bailey to do with Kolyat once Thane's loyalty quest is completed in ME2. There is no choice available to send Kolyat to prison. Kolyat pulls the gun on Talid, but never pulls the trigger. Shepard either disarms him or kills Talid him/herself before that can happen.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 0:16:32 GMT
The commanding officer was about to lead them on a suicide mission.
So, yes, I think leeway is needed.
Especially given I wanted to bring the Outlaws back into the Nexus.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 1, 2017 0:20:44 GMT
Kolyat pulls the gun on Talid, but never pulls the trigger. Shepard either disarms him or kills Talid him/herself before that can happen. He shot Talid's bodyguard, too. But even if he hadn't, he contracted to murder somebody, acquired a firearm, and pulled it on the guy. In the United States, you can still get an attempted murder conviction off of that. Bailey also specifically calls out the idea of "community service for attempted murder".
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Post by faelandaea on Apr 1, 2017 3:52:53 GMT
No one here has mentioned practicality. In the Milky Way he would have been imprisoned. But here ... if we imprison him, oh yay, we get to use some of our already tight resources to feed his ass.
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 1, 2017 7:30:11 GMT
Ugh.. well so far I'm enjoying most of the writing in the game.. from an entertainment perspective anyway... but good god the murder mystery of the station was written by a brain damaged infant who has no concept of law or justice in even the most barbaric of societies. So the Turian tried to commit murder... and failed (kett murdered the victim, turian's shot missed.. but he still fired and tried to kill his victim).. the fact his shot missed is 100% irrelevant in the eyes of any juvenile criminal justice system on earth today... trying to murder someone is still a crime, one does not need to succeed to be guilty or convicted. In most societies it is called "attempted murder" and carries a significant punishment, depending on the nation. So here we have a Turian in which we have irrefutable evidence in which he attempted to commit murder and then the game posits to present us with 2 options: 1) Exile him (freedom essentially, just not among the AI) or 2) Dismiss all charges and release him, no crime committed. Honestly this is some of the laziest and dumbest writing I have seen in some time... we're expecting to believe that these highly advanced societies (human, turian, salarian, asari etc) traveled into deep space without a judicial system in place? That is the most implausible thing I've heard.. and that's saying something in a universe that has space magic (biotics). This should not even be an option open to Ryder -- Tann should simply have handed the case over immediately to the court system (which this society absolutely must have, even if it is rudimentary), where the individual would be charged with attempted murder. Considering the evidence, the turian would likely be found guilty and sentenced to some form of punishment (that's up to the court... exile, execution, prison, whatever). The fact it is left up to Ryder to act as judge jury and executioner in a criminal matter is beyond idiotic... or at the least leaving only 2 options is insufferable (exile or freedom... good god talk about lazy writing.. either way he ends up off the hook for attempted murder). This quest should just have been deleted from the game, it is embarrassing how poorly it is written and has detracted a bit from an otherwise enjoyable experience. They don't even have farmers. Why on earth (or Andromeda) would you expect them to have a functional judicial system? After a civil war, and the loss of most of the previously planned leadership, during a time when the station doesn't even have enough power to keep the lights on? At the time of our arrival, the Nexus pretty plainly doesn't have the resources for any sort of serious justice system- they didn't even have the resources to do an investigation. They aren't a stable society, and all the specialists for functioning societies- the people beyond the engineers/scientists/military elements to set up the initial colonies- are still in cryo on the Arcs awaiting the second phase unfreezing and established settlements to fall in on. This seems a lot less about bad writing and you ignorring the writing that was.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 10, 2017 4:29:14 GMT
This quest set the tone of the game for me. Common sense would've been to include the 'attempted murder' option. No such thing. You either exile him on false charges, or release him even though he tried to kill his CO. You've no idea how frustrated I felt at how lazily this quest was resolved. Unfortunately, these type of binary choices lacking common sense are commonplace (lol) throughout the game.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 10, 2017 15:03:46 GMT
The issue is that he's already been tried and convicted of committing a murder that he technically didn't commit. There's an argument to be made that the actual right thing to do would be to overturn the conviction and then try him for attempted murder, but there's apparently some concern over the optics of that as it could make the leadership look both incompetent(for convicting him of something he didn't do) and vindictive(for continuing to go after him). I don't know if double jeopardy would technically apply here in a real world legal system, but one should also remember that the Nexus doesn't have an elected leadership or a real legal system yet; they're making it up as they go along.
Personally I'd argue that the biggest fail here is on the part of the defendant who's defense was "I didn't do it" when he did - or, at least, believed he did-, when he should have been arguing justification - the man he killed was clearly unstable and exercising poor judgment that was going to get everyone killed. Normally you relieve a person like that of command, which he tried to do and was forcibly restrained. If nothing else, hammering the point home that by killing that one man he saved the lives of several others would have given him good odds of juror nullification and getting off on a mistrial.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 10, 2017 18:39:43 GMT
Luckily, that's not the only murder mystery quest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:46:57 GMT
Given how much attention this quest gets, I think BiOWARE should dedicate resources into making it a major mission and a full trial sequence in the Priority Missions. Every time you finish a quest, you'd hear the catchy tune of the Nexus Law and sit in session for twenty minutes. Preferably after watching unskippable animations of opening doors, people filing into the court room, procedural questions, waking more and more lawyers from cryostasis....
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Post by Iakus on Apr 10, 2017 18:49:29 GMT
Given how much attention this quest gets, I think BiOWARE should dedicate resources into making it a major mission and a full trial sequence in the Priority Missions. Every time you finish a quest, you'd hear the catchy tune of the Nexus Law and sit in session for twenty minutes. Preferably after watching unskippable animations of opening doors, people filing into the court room, procedural questions, waking more and more lawyers from cryostasis.... hey that trial on Manaan in KOTOR was one of the cooler Bioware quests...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
Given how much attention this quest gets, I think BiOWARE should dedicate resources into making it a major mission and a full trial sequence in the Priority Missions. Every time you finish a quest, you'd hear the catchy tune of the Nexus Law and sit in session for twenty minutes. Preferably after watching unskippable animations of opening doors, people filing into the court room, procedural questions, waking more and more lawyers from cryostasis.... hey that trial on Manaan in KOTOR was one of the cooler Bioware quests... I was thinking NWN2 trial, but yes, I vaguely remember Manaan too. Still, honestly, the whole quest is basically intended as a personal ethical puzzle to the player, as in do you think soldiers that executed their criminally negligent commanders culpable or not? With a touch of an extra icing. And here we lament we cannot send the guy to a court marshal as we should or have Ryder play a court of law by Americain rules or some such. Seriously, guys. Red shirt or blue shirt... pick one and live with it. You are the sheriff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 19:10:31 GMT
I don't know how silly the quest is.
It's Tan who makes the decision what to do with him, even though they make you believe Ryder is the one that decides. And Tan just wants it to be over and done with, which makes the two options he gives quite logical.
That being said, not a big fan of the quest myself. Like a lot of the sidequests really.
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