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Post by faelandaea on Apr 10, 2017 23:53:43 GMT
This quest set the tone of the game for me. Common sense would've been to include the 'attempted murder' option. No such thing. You either exile him on false charges, or release him even though he tried to kill his CO. You've no idea how frustrated I felt at how lazily this quest was resolved. Unfortunately, these type of binary choices lacking common sense are commonplace (lol) throughout the game. Except that by law he DID do it. He may have missed, but he did aim and pull the trigger. Intent is everything in any court, no matter what. So at a minimum he is indeed charged with "attempted murder". Also, I am uncertain it is mentioned anywhere after the fact what they finally officially charged him with on the books. But it makes sense either way ... many people in real life are arrested on one set of charges, and ultimately charged with something else, either through deals, changes in evidence, etc. Regardless ... he aimed ... he pulled the trigger ... he meant to and thought he did kill the guy ... so in the eyes of any sane person he is indeed a murderer. Granted he is a murderer with a terrible aim, but a murderer nonetheless. In each of my play-through runs so far I have been very content with exiling him. The ONLY reason I didn't long for a "jail" option is the simple fact that in our current situation we're practically feeding on scraps until we establish our colonies and get some agriculture going. Screw feeding this guy. And the only other option is execution, but with the exception of combat related deaths, it seems that the Initiative is not pro-capital punishment. I won;t even say my opinion on that as it simply is not an option here, so exiling him as a murderer ... perfectly fine in my book. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 10, 2017 23:55:54 GMT
Kadara Badlands quests are just insufferable from a writing/story POV IMO. Sorry, Courtney girl, you're cute and all and I liked your writing on Lexi but man, you're not good enough for BioWare games yet and you won't be if ya keep fangirling.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 17, 2017 20:47:36 GMT
It's one of those quests where a grey choice seems to have been artificially imposed unless attempted murder doesn't exist in the Council justice system.
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 22:09:26 GMT
It's one of those quests where a grey choice seems to have been artificially imposed unless attempted murder doesn't exist in the Council justice system. I felt the same way. And it's one of the quests I didn't fell like I've been taken for a ride afterwards. There's a choice to be made, but appealing or not, at least this quest resolves. As opposed to others that leave you just standing in the rain. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 17, 2017 22:34:44 GMT
Ugh.. well so far I'm enjoying most of the writing in the game.. from an entertainment perspective anyway... but good god the murder mystery of the station was written by a brain damaged infant who has no concept of law or justice in even the most barbaric of societies. ... LOL you just did a GREAT definition of Mr Walters  That would be the late-gamespoilers ahead Jien murder case :/ Mac did not write the Nilken case I don't think. His problem is more that he arranges plots that have no bottom like the big spoiler in my spoiler tag. |
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Post by abaris on Apr 17, 2017 23:15:06 GMT
LOL you just did a GREAT definition of Mr Walters That would be the late-gamespoilers ahead Jien murder case :/ Mac did not write the Nilken case I don't think. His problem is more that he arranges plots that have no bottom like the big spoiler in my spoiler tag. Which is my major gripe. Your spoiler hints at the most unsatisfying quest of them all. Phishing for DLC purchases, I would guess, which is pretty shabby, if it isn't just bad writing. As for the Turian, you have options. You can leave him locked up or free him. It's up to your character how to proceed. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 5:36:23 GMT
Kadara Badlands quests are just insufferable from a writing/story POV IMO. Sorry, Courtney girl, you're cute and all and I liked your writing on Lexi but man, you're not good enough for BioWare games yet and you won't be if ya keep fangirling. How? |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 5:40:25 GMT
That would be the late-gamespoilers ahead Jien murder case :/ Mac did not write the Nilken case I don't think. His problem is more that he arranges plots that have no bottom like the big spoiler in my spoiler tag. Which is my major gripe. Your spoiler hints at the most unsatisfying quest of them all. Phishing for DLC purchases, I would guess, which is pretty shabby, if it isn't just bad writing. As for the Turian, you have options. You can leave him locked up or free him. It's up to your character how to proceed. Nothing say here is a dlc purchase. Just more mystery of the next game. ME did it and da did it. Hell with dragon age we had to lace together bits of detail over with happened with the elves of old and who Flemeth really was over the coarse of 3 games and 5 dlc's. that's just how connected plots are. At this point complaining about it is more wanting it now then later. |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 5:42:07 GMT
Community service for attempted murder? Sounds legit  It happens. Added, looking the guy up would be a waste of resources. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 18, 2017 9:50:26 GMT
Kadara Badlands quests are just insufferable from a writing/story POV IMO. Sorry, Courtney girl, you're cute and all and I liked your writing on Lexi but man, you're not good enough for BioWare games yet and you won't be if ya keep fangirling. How? Reyes and every self indulgent moment of the Kadara subplot. |
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Post by Garo on Apr 18, 2017 10:42:23 GMT
Because paragon/renegade was too binary, so not "cool", kids want some morally grey choices now, we gotta make them even if players will need to remove their brain to enjoy them.
Hey BioWare, maybe spend more time trying to make plot that makes sense and less time trying to be progressive with prefered Asari pronounces. Because you just created morally brown choice. Brown for shit.
It makes my laugh they said that their sidequests are based on Witcher 3 quality.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 13:22:33 GMT
Reyes and every self indulgent moment of the Kadara subplot. you mean the one that he tries to be human for once and not some over the top action hero? |
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 19, 2017 9:02:11 GMT
Group 1) Everyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid Group 2) Looks at the situation to see maybe why it's at least possible. Personally, this one didn't bother me because it was a unique situation outside of whether it was murder or not, and I'm pretty sure exile was the punishment chosen by the "court system" before the Pathfinder arrived. As one of the witnesses admits, if the friend hadn't been killed, everyone in that squad likely would have been killed by Kett trying to retake the base. I think the Nexus was aware of that in determining the punishment. Of course they couldn't let him just "get away" with disobeying a leader. With limited resources, jail really wasn't an option so you're left with exile or death. The pathfinder isn't actually a judge and jury. It's just the pathfinder can end up granting a writ of clemency. So your choice is to allow the punishment chosen by the judicial system for the murder or grant clemency. Even in the U.S., a president can grant a writ of clemency even though they are not technically part of the judicial process.
P.S. There have been societies throughout the ages who have used exile as a valid form of punishment. In the original series, if you spent any time talking with Tali you learned that the Quarians had no prisons. If the crime was minor to moderate the person would be given what amounts to house arrest, if it was serious to include things like treason or murder they just exiled them. They only did it because they had no way to imprison anyone. |
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Post by Amirit on Apr 19, 2017 9:30:00 GMT
You are mad because of THAT quest? What about Krogans and Spenser? What about whole Exiles situation (the most idiotic idea in the game to begin with)? Garo said it well: "kids want some morally grey choices now, we gotta make them even if players will need to remove their brain to enjoy them." This is just one of the moment where your brain has to take some vacations. |
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Post by abaris on Apr 19, 2017 9:58:57 GMT
You are mad because of THAT quest? What about Krogans and Spenser? What about whole Exiles situation (the most idiotic idea in the game to begin with)? Garo said it well: "kids want some morally grey choices now, we gotta make them even if players will need to remove their brain to enjoy them." This is just one of the moment where your brain has to take some vacations. What's wrong with morally grey? Does everything have to be black and white? I'm not saying the handle the situation without paragon/renegade well, but to home in on this particular quest just seems off. Personally I didn't think it's a well done quest, but on the other hand I didn't have any problem with the resolution. Other than the quest is totally inconsequential, which is true for most quests in this game. |
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Post by Amirit on Apr 19, 2017 12:11:03 GMT
You are mad because of THAT quest? What about Krogans and Spenser? What about whole Exiles situation (the most idiotic idea in the game to begin with)? Garo said it well: "kids want some morally grey choices now, we gotta make them even if players will need to remove their brain to enjoy them." This is just one of the moment where your brain has to take some vacations. What's wrong with morally grey? Does everything have to be black and white? I'm not saying the handle the situation without paragon/renegade well, but to home in on this particular quest just seems off. Personally I didn't think it's a well done quest, but on the other hand I didn't have any problem with the resolution. Other than the quest is totally inconsequential, which is true for most quests in this game. Nobody said anything about grey morality. We are talking about incredibly lazy and\or stupid resolutions we are suggested. Even considering limitations video games as a genre have in general, solutions and bound to them morale leave you with the constant "wtf's". |
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Post by Garo on Apr 19, 2017 21:48:31 GMT
What's wrong with morally grey? Does everything have to be black and white? I'm not saying the handle the situation without paragon/renegade well, but to home in on this particular quest just seems off. Personally I didn't think it's a well done quest, but on the other hand I didn't have any problem with the resolution. Other than the quest is totally inconsequential, which is true for most quests in this game. Nobody said anything about grey morality. We are talking about incredibly lazy and\or stupid resolutions we are suggested. Even considering limitations video games as a genre have in general, solutions and bound to them morale leave you with the constant "wtf's". This, yes, thank you. |
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 21, 2017 20:27:50 GMT
It all just makes me think the story was a rush job. There are so many plot holes and things that just leave you scratching your head. Every story is bound to have them but this game has so many of them, even in the prologue.
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