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Post by surelyforth on Apr 1, 2017 22:26:59 GMT
I'm relentlessly chill in most bad news situations, but I would absolutely be down to get rowdy if I abandoned everyone I knew and loved for what turned out to be an inescapable shitshow made worse by terrible leadership, intergalactic death tangles, space darkspawn, and limited resources.
Plus, justifying it with medical conditions that the MW settlers might be suffering from is hardly "crappy storytelling". It makes a ton of sense given not only the shock of being in a new galaxy, but also the toll that being frozen for 600 years would actually have on a person's nerves and endocrine system.
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Post by traks on Apr 1, 2017 22:30:13 GMT
Still haven't finished Kadara yet, because I agree with the OP. It's just so stupid. Left it for after I finished the main game, started to work with Reyes and thought again "this is so stupid". Went off to Voeld and had a blast enabling the Kett command center.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 1, 2017 22:33:52 GMT
I am with you to the point where the scene with Rayes on the roof was not a great idea for every PC (especially male ones that didn't try to get close with him). It didn't bother me with my FemRyder (who didn't romance the guy but was friendly with him) so much but then, I was under the impression that ti was optional (I asked him to share the whiskey, I would have though if you don't ask to share that scene wouldn't play). If it is forced no matter what you say to him, then that's definitely bad. I also agree that Rayes gets to be your friend way too quickly and that you don't get an option to be antagonistic enough. But that's a general problem in ME:A, not just Kadara. I don't agree that it felt non-Mass Effect-y. In fact, your initial rant post with the video reminded of a lot of rant posts about the Liara time capsule scene in ME3 on the old BSN. Another mandatory close moment with a character some people simply did not like. But people only disliked that because they didn't want Liara forced on them. This is about me not liking Reyes as well but that is not what makes it un-Mass-Effect-y to me. What makes it not feel like Mass Effect is how the tone and style of this entire storyline just... it doesn't feel like a part of the same story that has the somewhat desolate Nexus space station or the barren planets that need to be fixed, it's just this super generic Han-Solo fanfiction and someone writing this thinking "Oh Mass Effect is sci fi right? Like Star Wars? Right?" And they just wrote the crappiest knockoff ever. It reminds me of Kasumi's Stolen memory in how big of a tonal shift it is. It's too cheesy and out of place and I mean from the moment you meet Reyes in the bar til the moment you shoot him in the foot, not to mention his casting is bloody terrible.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 1, 2017 23:17:55 GMT
dutchsghost7 is right and everyone else simply lacks comprehension. No, he isn't. For starters, he's pulling the 20.000 human population on Nexus straight out of his ass. 20K is the population of the Ark. So no, he's not right, his math is stupid and he doesn't have a point. Why do you drones never read the lore that you love so much? It's established in the first scene that the whole initiative is 100K strong, the human arc and likely all other arcs have a 20K carrying capacity. The nexus itself is likely 20K.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 2, 2017 0:35:34 GMT
I am with you to the point where the scene with Rayes on the roof was not a great idea for every PC (especially male ones that didn't try to get close with him). It didn't bother me with my FemRyder (who didn't romance the guy but was friendly with him) so much but then, I was under the impression that ti was optional (I asked him to share the whiskey, I would have though if you don't ask to share that scene wouldn't play). If it is forced no matter what you say to him, then that's definitely bad. I also agree that Rayes gets to be your friend way too quickly and that you don't get an option to be antagonistic enough. But that's a general problem in ME:A, not just Kadara. I don't agree that it felt non-Mass Effect-y. In fact, your initial rant post with the video reminded of a lot of rant posts about the Liara time capsule scene in ME3 on the old BSN. Another mandatory close moment with a character some people simply did not like. But people only disliked that because they didn't want Liara forced on them. This is about me not liking Reyes as well but that is not what makes it un-Mass-Effect-y to me. What makes it not feel like Mass Effect is how the tone and style of this entire storyline just... it doesn't feel like a part of the same story that has the somewhat desolate Nexus space station or the barren planets that need to be fixed, it's just this super generic Han-Solo fanfiction and someone writing this thinking "Oh Mass Effect is sci fi right? Like Star Wars? Right?" And they just wrote the crappiest knockoff ever. It reminds me of Kasumi's Stolen memory in how big of a tonal shift it is. It's too cheesy and out of place and I mean from the moment you meet Reyes in the bar til the moment you shoot him in the foot, not to mention his casting is bloody terrible. To be honest, I don't see that. Sure, the writing quality is not the best but I don't think that it doesn't fit into Mass Effect. ME has always also been about politics (which in a sense, this is) and it's always had very high levels of cheese. That really is nothing new (though as I said, I'll agree that the writing is worse this time). Also, I was happy to break out of the "barren planets" scenario for a world or two. It was good for variety alone. And IMO Kadara is not by far the worst offender within Andromeda, when it comes to cliches or bad writing (or Star Wars rip-offs for that matter). Have you done Liam's loyalty mission yet? I am just coming out of it and I am about to write a rant post about it in the spoiler section (EDIT: done now) because that trumps everything I've seen so far in the game in terms of shitty cheesy writing as well as forcing certain personality treats onto Ryder by a mile.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 2, 2017 0:43:49 GMT
But people only disliked that because they didn't want Liara forced on them. This is about me not liking Reyes as well but that is not what makes it un-Mass-Effect-y to me. What makes it not feel like Mass Effect is how the tone and style of this entire storyline just... it doesn't feel like a part of the same story that has the somewhat desolate Nexus space station or the barren planets that need to be fixed, it's just this super generic Han-Solo fanfiction and someone writing this thinking "Oh Mass Effect is sci fi right? Like Star Wars? Right?" And they just wrote the crappiest knockoff ever. It reminds me of Kasumi's Stolen memory in how big of a tonal shift it is. It's too cheesy and out of place and I mean from the moment you meet Reyes in the bar til the moment you shoot him in the foot, not to mention his casting is bloody terrible. To be honest, I don't see that. Sure, the writing quality is not the best but I don't think that it doesn't fit into Mass Effect. ME has always also been about politics (which in a sense, this is) and it's always had very high levels of cheese. That really is nothing new (though as I said, I'll agree that the writing is worse this time). Also, I was happy to break out of the "barren planets" scenario for a world or two. It was good for variety alone. And IMO Kadara is not by far the worst offender within Andromeda, when it comes to cliches or bad writing (or Star Wars rip-offs for that matter). Have you don Liam's loyalty mission yet? I am just coming out of it and I am about to write a rant post about it in the spoiler section because that trumps everything I've seen so far in the game in terms of shitty cheesy writing by a mile. What's you opinion on the Asari arc quest? I personally thought it was the best quest thus far in the game and I'm around 44% complete.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 2, 2017 0:56:34 GMT
To be honest, I don't see that. Sure, the writing quality is not the best but I don't think that it doesn't fit into Mass Effect. ME has always also been about politics (which in a sense, this is) and it's always had very high levels of cheese. That really is nothing new (though as I said, I'll agree that the writing is worse this time). Also, I was happy to break out of the "barren planets" scenario for a world or two. It was good for variety alone. And IMO Kadara is not by far the worst offender within Andromeda, when it comes to cliches or bad writing (or Star Wars rip-offs for that matter). Have you don Liam's loyalty mission yet? I am just coming out of it and I am about to write a rant post about it in the spoiler section because that trumps everything I've seen so far in the game in terms of shitty cheesy writing by a mile. What's you opinion on the Asari arc quest? I personally thought it was the best quest thus far in the game and I'm around 44% complete. Haven't done it yet. I'll let you know when I do (probably next week).
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 2, 2017 4:41:41 GMT
I just finished the Kadara planet questline today. This is easily the worst thing to ever exist in Mass Effect. It doesn't feel like Mass Effect in any sense, and then there's this. I see you forgot Joker and Real Doll EDI or Kai Leng or Terminator Reaper Baby or most important lore character ever relegated to DLC or let's kill Shepard but then resurrect him because....well because it sounds cool! Reyes is awesome. He's a stylin', profilin', kill stealing, wheelin' and dealin' son of a gun. He IS Mass Effect. Pulpy sci-fi action character type. I think you're just mad because your Ryder was thinking, "I think it moved!" when Reyes was being slick.*snorts drink*
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Well the bright side is turning on the Monoliths there.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 2, 2017 7:27:20 GMT
I am with you to the point where the scene with Rayes on the roof was not a great idea for every PC (especially male ones that didn't try to get close with him). It didn't bother me with my FemRyder (who didn't romance the guy but was friendly with him) so much but then, I was under the impression that ti was optional (I asked him to share the whiskey, I would have though if you don't ask to share that scene wouldn't play). If it is forced no matter what you say to him, then that's definitely bad. I also agree that Rayes gets to be your friend way too quickly and that you don't get an option to be antagonistic enough. But that's a general problem in ME:A, not just Kadara. I don't agree that it felt non-Mass Effect-y. In fact, your initial rant post with the video reminded of a lot of rant posts about the Liara time capsule scene in ME3 on the old BSN. Another mandatory close moment with a character some people simply did not like. But people only disliked that because they didn't want Liara forced on them. This is about me not liking Reyes as well but that is not what makes it un-Mass-Effect-y to me. What makes it not feel like Mass Effect is how the tone and style of this entire storyline just... it doesn't feel like a part of the same story that has the somewhat desolate Nexus space station or the barren planets that need to be fixed, it's just this super generic Han-Solo fanfiction and someone writing this thinking "Oh Mass Effect is sci fi right? Like Star Wars? Right?" And they just wrote the crappiest knockoff ever. It reminds me of Kasumi's Stolen memory in how big of a tonal shift it is. It's too cheesy and out of place and I mean from the moment you meet Reyes in the bar til the moment you shoot him in the foot, not to mention his casting is bloody terrible.
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Post by wolfsite on Apr 2, 2017 10:38:24 GMT
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 2, 2017 11:16:05 GMT
Killing Milky Way personnel in kadara is still retarded. Consider the facts: >all the Milky Way residents on Kadara except for Keuteus came from the nexus >the nexus housed 20,000 individuals >some died because of the scourge and the uprising >we kill loads of exiles (our people) on kadara, in particular humans Yeah, you kill them because they're shooting at you and they're a bunch of pirates, rapists, and murderers. You know, what the Nexus said the Exiles were. I gave them a chance but you remove the corruption rather than tolerate it. Edit: Oh and the BS about Andromeda? If I was offered a ticket on a generation ship to another galaxy, would I take it? I would. So would a lot of other people if it meant leaving Earth. So why not? Also, 1% of the Milky Way Galaxy being explored doesn't mean people still wouldn't try to explore another galaxy.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 2, 2017 12:08:47 GMT
Oh, Kadara absolutely DOES suck, but not for the ridiculous reasoning suggested in the OP. Kadara sucks because of doors that take 5 seconds to open, because I have to go through 2 loading screens, run through the slums and jump over the fence just so I can fast travel, then I have to jump back over the fence and through 2 more loading screens just to leave the planet. I fucking hate that planet. Horrible design.
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Post by hammerstorm on Apr 2, 2017 12:15:37 GMT
Oh, Kadara absolutely DOES suck, but not for the ridiculous reasoning suggested in the OP. Kadara sucks because of doors that take 5 seconds to open, because I have to go through 2 loading screens, run through the slums and jump over the fence just so I can fast travel, then I have to jump back over the fence and through 2 more loading screens just to leave the planet. I fucking hate that planet. Horrible design. I assume they wanted to give the place a "run down" attitude, where nothing really works and that is why the doors are slow. But I agree on the rest. I also dislike all the fucking boulders on the roads, I have problem with speeding by enemies because I always hit the boulders. Or maybe I just suck at driving.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 2, 2017 12:46:34 GMT
Oh, Kadara absolutely DOES suck, but not for the ridiculous reasoning suggested in the OP. Kadara sucks because of doors that take 5 seconds to open, because I have to go through 2 loading screens, run through the slums and jump over the fence just so I can fast travel, then I have to jump back over the fence and through 2 more loading screens just to leave the planet. I fucking hate that planet. Horrible design. It's awful lol. Had s thing where I finished everything on kadara last night, and got peebee loyalty mission progressed, left to tempest and bam! Got to go right back For fucking pop corn man. Deal with those doors twice and the. Loading screen off world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 12:49:08 GMT
Oh, Kadara absolutely DOES suck, but not for the ridiculous reasoning suggested in the OP. Kadara sucks because of doors that take 5 seconds to open, because I have to go through 2 loading screens, run through the slums and jump over the fence just so I can fast travel, then I have to jump back over the fence and through 2 more loading screens just to leave the planet. I fucking hate that planet. Horrible design. Can't believe they don't allow us to land the Tempest on our base in the Badlands, ugh.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 2, 2017 13:10:34 GMT
Oh, Kadara absolutely DOES suck, but not for the ridiculous reasoning suggested in the OP. Kadara sucks because of doors that take 5 seconds to open, because I have to go through 2 loading screens, run through the slums and jump over the fence just so I can fast travel, then I have to jump back over the fence and through 2 more loading screens just to leave the planet. I fucking hate that planet. Horrible design. Same, I don't have any conceptual problems with Kadara, I think the writing there is about on par with the rest of the game, for better or worse, but that level design tho. How can anyone have playtested this and thought to themselves this was fun? I groaned every time a mission sent me back to Kadara after I had cleared it out of initial quests. You can't even read a book while you're waiting to get to the Badlands because you have to run between doors etc., so it's even more annoying than a too-long loading screen. (You can actually quick-leave Kadara by holding T in the Nomad, though. At least spared me the way back. So apparently my crew can pick me up there, they just don't feel like dropping me there. Thanks for nothing, Kallo!)
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 2, 2017 20:08:48 GMT
What's you opinion on the Asari arc quest? I personally thought it was the best quest thus far in the game and I'm around 44% complete. Ha, actually got through it today. Yea, I'd agree, this one is pretty good. ME:A actually feels like a BioWare game during this mission.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 3, 2017 2:55:52 GMT
I just finished the Kadara planet questline today. This is easily the worst thing to ever exist in Mass Effect. It doesn't feel like Mass Effect in any sense, and then there's this. Reyes is painted as this smarmy guy you should fall in love with and there's no way around that. You had to get this insulting fanfic scene of Ryder and him sitting on a roof together and talk about how beautiful the journey has been like... uuuugggh, my jaw was on the floor as I pressed the Share button and uploaded this crap. That's the thing about this game. You can tell 3 different studios worked on this story because there's just zero consistency. The only thing I like is Sloane Kelly but only a little, but Reyes... what an insultingly self-indulgent character. The entire plotline on Kadara is just woefully flat and out of character for Mass Effect. It feels like a stupid comic strip in a newspaper. The worst thing is, I assure you, the way this storyline ends leads up a DLC that'll probably be handled by BW Austin too where you meet Reyes again and team up with Sloane or something. It feels like this Han Solo fanfiction that came out of a cut SWTOR class plotline. Fuck this crap so much. There will be no DLC on this because I've killed Sloane twice (2nd playthrough part way). Also you can totally avoid any and all romance with Reyes. You can punch him instead of kiss him depending on how you've responded to him so far. In the end it's just freinds having a drink, I see nothing wrong with that.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 3, 2017 2:59:18 GMT
That's what I've been saying! It feels like a SW:TOR expansion. I mean, I thought that Austin did all the SW:TOR stuff. Am I wrong about that? Nope and it shows that Kadara is exactly what BW Austin has worked on. I guess their QA analyst missed this... oh wait, I forgot QA analysts at EA don't account for artistic consistency. (I refuse to say "Integrity") Tough luck Mac Walters didn't seem to notice how un-Mass-Effect this whole part of the game is. I guess he's a hack or something as if we didn't already know that. IMO the whole game is un Mass Effect. I like the game okay. It has it's fun. Weird though when I play it it makes me want to play a Mass Effect game because the Mass Effect "stuff" it has makes me want to play a Mass Effect game which this game decidedly is not. I wish they'd make another Mass Effect game. I would really love that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 3, 2017 3:00:58 GMT
Man am I the only one that fuckin loves Kadara? If I had to complain about something, it's that the arms dealer chick only sells a lvl 1 halberd. Wtf man I demand satisfaction.
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Post by malanek on Apr 3, 2017 3:03:42 GMT
Reyes is painted as this smarmy guy you should fall in love with and there's no way around that. You had to get this insulting fanfic scene of Ryder and him sitting on a roof together and talk about how beautiful the journey has been like... uuuugggh, my jaw was on the floor as I pressed the Share button and uploaded this crap. That's the thing about this game. You can tell 3 different studios worked on this story because there's just zero consistency. The only thing I like is Sloane Kelly but only a little, but Reyes... what an insultingly self-indulgent character. The entire plotline on Kadara is just woefully flat and out of character for Mass Effect. It feels like a stupid comic strip in a newspaper. The worst thing is, I assure you, the way this storyline ends leads up a DLC that'll probably be handled by BW Austin too where you meet Reyes again and team up with Sloane or something. It feels like this Han Solo fanfiction that came out of a cut SWTOR class plotline. Fuck this crap so much. I'm pretty sure I am past that point and I didn't get that scene. When he asks you to meet up for an evening I am assuming you said yes? Try saying no. Kadara was probably my favorite planet to drive around although I haven't finished yet.
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Post by tatsumaki on Apr 3, 2017 3:25:02 GMT
Its Ark goddamnit
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 3, 2017 3:38:41 GMT
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Post by blanks on Apr 3, 2017 3:55:37 GMT
Between Kadara and Elaaden I think I killed every human and turian exiled from the Nexus three times over (doesn't even make sense with the book). And yeah, Reyes is obnoxious and very evidently the favored son of BioWare. Not looking forward to more of him unless I can end him. Really not a fan of how that whole thing played out with High Noon.
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