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Post by Benchimus on Apr 1, 2017 22:36:22 GMT
Not calling for any buffs or nerfs, just looking to see if anybody agrees. The regular human soldier feels weak. Was playing last night with friends, all using vanguards, and I felt like I couldnt kill anything. Entire magazines to the head/body just to drop regular mooks from a level 10 Avenger. In 3 the Human soldier was my mainstay but harriers/sabers and lvl 4 armor-piercing ammo may have skewed my perspective. Anybody else feel the soldier has bad dps? Is it just me? Or is the avenger just that shitty of a rifle?
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Post by rafo on Apr 1, 2017 23:06:17 GMT
All of the above. There are like 4 weapons worthy of your time in the entire multiplayer. With the others you are better off punching stuff
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Post by Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3 on Apr 1, 2017 23:06:58 GMT
Mkay.
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Post by Ryoku on Apr 1, 2017 23:16:12 GMT
Not calling for any buffs or nerfs, just looking to see if anybody agrees. The regular human soldier feels weak. Was playing last night with friends, all using vanguards, and I felt like I couldnt kill anything. Entire magazines to the head/body just to drop regular mooks from a level 10 Avenger. In 3 the Human soldier was my mainstay but harriers/sabers and lvl 4 armor-piercing ammo may have skewed my perspective. Anybody else feel the soldier has bad dps? Is it just me? Or is the avenger just that shitty of a rifle? Use the raptor sniper rifle like an assault rifle and you may enjoy yourself a bit more =P
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Post by TormDK on Apr 1, 2017 23:17:11 GMT
Not calling for any buffs or nerfs, just looking to see if anybody agrees. The regular human soldier feels weak. Was playing last night with friends, all using vanguards, and I felt like I couldnt kill anything. Entire magazines to the head/body just to drop regular mooks from a level 10 Avenger. In 3 the Human soldier was my mainstay but harriers/sabers and lvl 4 armor-piercing ammo may have skewed my perspective. Anybody else feel the soldier has bad dps? Is it just me? Or is the avenger just that shitty of a rifle? The avenger is that shitty a rifle. Do remember to get him to 20 and X, I'm not personally a fan of conclussive shot, but a decent rifle and Turbo Charge can do ALOT of damage quickly.
So leave the combos for the lesser classes soldier, you live and die with your equipment.
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Post by akots on Apr 1, 2017 23:33:56 GMT
IDK, I'm trying to level up both soldiers, one with concussive shot and another with grenades. At the moment, they are both level 14 and they both are extremely good. They might not be as durable as turian soldier but they surely are major powerhouses. CS ragdolls all mooks and detonates everything and frags are very efficient against anything armored. Marksman turbo turns your raptor/thokin/whatever into a serious killer and they have superb mobility.
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Post by victornero7 on Apr 1, 2017 23:47:56 GMT
I disagree
Since I started playing the game I have only played the human soldier. Already prestiged him 3 times, he is very good because of turbocharge and his gun passives alone. Put a Piranha on him and spec him all for gun damage on his passive and turbocharge, then destroy everything (I only play on gold)
Sadly this game is all about the weapon youre carrying and how good it is, and the human soldier with a garbage weapon like the Avenger is pretty lackluster, grenades are meh and concussive shot is more of a panic button to incapacitate a regular enemy while you reload or disengage at low health.
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Post by Benchimus on Apr 2, 2017 17:57:47 GMT
Not calling for any buffs or nerfs, just looking to see if anybody agrees. The regular human soldier feels weak. Was playing last night with friends, all using vanguards, and I felt like I couldnt kill anything. Entire magazines to the head/body just to drop regular mooks from a level 10 Avenger. In 3 the Human soldier was my mainstay but harriers/sabers and lvl 4 armor-piercing ammo may have skewed my perspective. Anybody else feel the soldier has bad dps? Is it just me? Or is the avenger just that shitty of a rifle? The avenger is that shitty a rifle.Do remember to get him to 20 and X, I'm not personally a fan of conclussive shot, but a decent rifle and Turbo Charge can do ALOT of damage quickly.
So leave the combos for the lesser classes soldier, you live and die with your equipment. I was wondering if maybe that was it. I loved CS in 3 and skipped frag completely but it had a much faster cooldown then. I used it exactly as someone else said: as panic button when caught.
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Post by Benchimus on Apr 2, 2017 17:59:43 GMT
I disagree Since I started playing the game I have only played the human soldier. Already prestiged him 3 times, he is very good because of turbocharge and his gun passives alone. Put a Piranha on him and spec him all for gun damage on his passive and turbocharge, then destroy everything (I only play on gold) Sadly this game is all about the weapon youre carrying and how good it is, and the human soldier with a garbage weapon like the Avenger is pretty lackluster, grenades are meh and concussive shot is more of a panic button to incapacitate a regular enemy while you reload or disengage at low health. Dont get me wrong, Im not saying Im failing with him or anything as my games are going fine. Im just so far behind in points compared to my friends using vanguards and that was never an issue in 3. As you said, Im going to chalk it up to the avenger just being a pile of shit.
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Post by Urizen on Apr 2, 2017 18:05:20 GMT
Not calling for any buffs or nerfs, just looking to see if anybody agrees. The regular human soldier feels weak. Was playing last night with friends, all using vanguards, and I felt like I couldnt kill anything. Entire magazines to the head/body just to drop regular mooks from a level 10 Avenger. In 3 the Human soldier was my mainstay but harriers/sabers and lvl 4 armor-piercing ammo may have skewed my perspective. Anybody else feel the soldier has bad dps? Is it just me? Or is the avenger just that shitty of a rifle? The avenger is that shitty a rifle. Do remember to get him to 20 and X, I'm not personally a fan of conclussive shot, but a decent rifle and Turbo Charge can do ALOT of damage quickly.
So leave the combos for the lesser classes soldier, you live and die with your equipment. CS is currently my "Oh shit I missed, haalp, get me outta here" button. And given the really heavily wonky hitdetection offhost...
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Post by ReptiloidGod on Apr 2, 2017 18:05:59 GMT
The Avenger is shit, but other weapons like the Mattock also seem to be shit. I remember when I once accidentially choose the Mattock on my turian ghost in ME3, I was still a top damage dealer. In MEA the Mattock feels like you could stop shooting because it doesn't make a difference.
I'm still uncertain about weapon I don't have maxed yet but some are already on max level and still don't deal enough damage. They should bring a lot of buffs when they introduce Platinum.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 2, 2017 18:26:22 GMT
I really miss Adrenaline Rush on the HSols. The damage boost plus the defensive bonus of a shield recharge gave a lot of mileage to that kit that is just missing now.
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Post by TormDK on Apr 2, 2017 18:28:22 GMT
The Avenger is shit, but other weapons like the Mattock also seem to be shit. I remember when I once accidentially choose the Mattock on my turian ghost in ME3, I was still a top damage dealer. In MEA the Mattock feels like you could stop shooting because it doesn't make a difference. I'm still uncertain about weapon I don't have maxed yet but some are already on max level and still don't deal enough damage. They should bring a lot of buffs when they introduce Platinum. The Raptor is uncommon, best go-to Kinetic "Assault" rifle currently that I've seen. If only the Scope was optional, but alas such is life. I like the Thokin for what it is, but I'll likely have to bow down to the Raptor at some point simply because it's bullets does not have travel time.
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Post by gethadept on Apr 2, 2017 18:29:11 GMT
Soldiers are naturally dependent on their weapons.. so it`s understandable.
Remember ME3MP N7 characters?
Destroyer was the worst character among them if equally given weak weapons... but the best if given the right weapon. lol
I am not touching any soldier characters until at least I get some rare weapon to level X.
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Post by nanotm on Apr 2, 2017 18:35:11 GMT
soldier with revenant using stock mod chews through most things but the soldier's shields are weak sauce and she doesn't have enough hp to be much use either
I've got the female up to lvl 16 and I wouldn't dream of taking her to silver at the moment, sure she can take out the fiend 1 on 1 or the ascendandt but she isn't as good as the destroyer cs doesn't do enough damage to take out shields and its uselss unless someone else can set you up for a detonation other than as a crowd knock back,
hell she's good with any weapon that's got decent clip size although it seems like the passive for larger magazines is bugged if you also take a mag upgrade and her thermal clip storage is lower instead of larger /
I haven't bothered playing the male version yet and whilst the tsol was playable for the one game I took him in i'm not going to play him until he's an x card character more because I don't like not having all those extras
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Post by TormDK on Apr 2, 2017 18:43:16 GMT
soldier with revenant using stock mod chews through most things but the soldier's shields are weak sauce and she doesn't have enough hp to be much use either I've got the female up to lvl 16 and I wouldn't dream of taking her to silver at the moment, sure she can take out the fiend 1 on 1 or the ascendandt but she isn't as good as the destroyer cs doesn't do enough damage to take out shields and its uselss unless someone else can set you up for a detonation other than as a crowd knock back, hell she's good with any weapon that's got decent clip size although it seems like the passive for larger magazines is bugged if you also take a mag upgrade and her thermal clip storage is lower instead of larger / I haven't bothered playing the male version yet and whilst the tsol was playable for the one game I took him in i'm not going to play him until he's an x card character more because I don't like not having all those extras Stop using CS then, and spec into the nade (Turbo charge is the first thing you go for, Munitions passives the 2nd, then Fitness, then nade). At level 16, you should be well ready for Gold - If you don't feel comfortable even with Silver on that level, try switching out the Revenant as I find it's a trap. (Large mag and poor aim is not doing you any favours). On Gold, with a Raptor X (Remember, Raptor is an Uncommon, so not overly expensive to get) it's not a problem to chew through enemies, and Turbo charge you keep ready for those "surprise" Hydras, Berserkers, Kett Devoted, Observers or anything else you don't want in your near vicinity. And toss some nades at them, for good measure. (But mind the blast radius, or you will hurt yourself)
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Post by Zerfidius on Apr 2, 2017 19:51:46 GMT
I've been rolling through gold with my soldier X since level 11 and now she's at 17.
I love CS as a grenade power; the crowd control and combo detonation potential is huge. Trips to the ammo box are occasionally a chore, but all my drellguarding taught me well how to use my ammo packs.
Revenant II or Indra I have been perfectly fine as long as I bring disruptor or incendiary ammo for the CS combos. Zerfidius+Zerfidius Fire Combo ftw.
My grenades are only at 1 rank at the moment and that's enough for crowd control and mook killing. I'll drop a few more on my next level up.
Four ranks in fitness for the health and shields, and the munitions passive maxed out.
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Post by kpeter on Apr 2, 2017 20:20:36 GMT
How should i spec CS to get the best out of it?
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 2, 2017 20:45:54 GMT
I miss adrenaline rush. And I miss inferno grenades on the alien soldiers.
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Post by Darks1te on Apr 2, 2017 21:04:39 GMT
Since I started playing the game I have only played the human soldier. Already prestiged him 3 timesU wot mate?
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Post by nanotm on Apr 2, 2017 21:11:03 GMT
soldier with revenant using stock mod chews through most things but the soldier's shields are weak sauce and she doesn't have enough hp to be much use either I've got the female up to lvl 16 and I wouldn't dream of taking her to silver at the moment, sure she can take out the fiend 1 on 1 or the ascendandt but she isn't as good as the destroyer cs doesn't do enough damage to take out shields and its uselss unless someone else can set you up for a detonation other than as a crowd knock back, hell she's good with any weapon that's got decent clip size although it seems like the passive for larger magazines is bugged if you also take a mag upgrade and her thermal clip storage is lower instead of larger / I haven't bothered playing the male version yet and whilst the tsol was playable for the one game I took him in i'm not going to play him until he's an x card character more because I don't like not having all those extras Stop using CS then, and spec into the nade (Turbo charge is the first thing you go for, Munitions passives the 2nd, then Fitness, then nade). At level 16, you should be well ready for Gold - If you don't feel comfortable even with Silver on that level, try switching out the Revenant as I find it's a trap. (Large mag and poor aim is not doing you any favours). On Gold, with a Raptor X (Remember, Raptor is an Uncommon, so not overly expensive to get) it's not a problem to chew through enemies, and Turbo charge you keep ready for those "surprise" Hydras, Berserkers, Kett Devoted, Observers or anything else you don't want in your near vicinity. And toss some nades at them, for good measure. (But mind the blast radius, or you will hurt yourself) naw the human soldiers weak sauce, the cooldown on the cs is too long to be truly useful ritght now, maybe if I got the power recharge bonus to level 6 it might become viable but right now the guns are either weak or lack ammo capacity and the nades are pretty pathetic as well, i'd happily play a properly balanced toon on silver or gold but seriously when you need to aim to take stuff down and your shields hit zero from 2 mooks hitting you with their pew pew cannons its just not strong for me. possibly its down to the fact I don't have maxed out mods and weapons but I doubt that, although if I had some of the decent ur's that might change lol
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 2, 2017 23:45:58 GMT
Soldier is really weapon dependent. I have 2 URs at X, one of which is good (Hurricane) and the other decent (Valiant) so I just use those.
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Post by ryuji2 on Apr 3, 2017 0:21:23 GMT
Not calling for any buffs or nerfs, just looking to see if anybody agrees. The regular human soldier feels weak. Was playing last night with friends, all using vanguards, and I felt like I couldnt kill anything. Entire magazines to the head/body just to drop regular mooks from a level 10 Avenger. In 3 the Human soldier was my mainstay but harriers/sabers and lvl 4 armor-piercing ammo may have skewed my perspective. Anybody else feel the soldier has bad dps? Is it just me? Or is the avenger just that shitty of a rifle? There's your problem. Slap on a Charger X or Revenant if you can get it. Raptor's also good.
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Post by Urizen on Apr 3, 2017 0:27:17 GMT
My HSol:
TC 4a, 5a, 6a CS 4b FG 4a MT 4a, 5b, 6b FIT 4b
Weapon Widow III
Totally Destroys silver enemies easily even without boosters and is with boosters fully gold viable. Turbocharge 4a vs 4b I personally find to be dependent on the weapon(s) I plan to use, the heavier the more attractive I find the lower CD. The Rest in TC should be obvious to those that know, for the rest that don´t, I tend to prefer dps over survivability. Concussive gets 4 ranks from me at the moment and I chose 4b solely to be less CD dependent on it. It´s as I said in another thread, first and foremost a Oh fuck button, second a detonator. Frag got 4a damage, no surprise there, though should I ever respec her, I might infact go contrary to my philosophy and go radius. I´ve seen it a couple times now where enemies where able to just ever so slightly dodge my nades. Time will tell though. Munitionstraining should be straightforward as should be fitness. That´s my HSol. I wonder how well she does now that my widow is V, hmmmm.
PS: Someone call a doctor, I did infact post something serious, so something must be wrong with me.
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Post by Zerfidius on Apr 3, 2017 0:58:23 GMT
Stop using CS then, and spec into the nade (Turbo charge is the first thing you go for, Munitions passives the 2nd, then Fitness, then nade). At level 16, you should be well ready for Gold - If you don't feel comfortable even with Silver on that level, try switching out the Revenant as I find it's a trap. (Large mag and poor aim is not doing you any favours). On Gold, with a Raptor X (Remember, Raptor is an Uncommon, so not overly expensive to get) it's not a problem to chew through enemies, and Turbo charge you keep ready for those "surprise" Hydras, Berserkers, Kett Devoted, Observers or anything else you don't want in your near vicinity. And toss some nades at them, for good measure. (But mind the blast radius, or you will hurt yourself) naw the human soldiers weak sauce, the cooldown on the cs is too long to be truly useful ritght now, maybe if I got the power recharge bonus to level 6 it might become viable but right now the guns are either weak or lack ammo capacity and the nades are pretty pathetic as well, i'd happily play a properly balanced toon on silver or gold but seriously when you need to aim to take stuff down and your shields hit zero from 2 mooks hitting you with their pew pew cannons its just not strong for me. possibly its down to the fact I don't have maxed out mods and weapons but I doubt that, although if I had some of the decent ur's that might change lol L2P
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