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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 2, 2017 14:29:12 GMT
Jaal has explict sex scene, Liam doesn't but he's shirtless half the game. Then there's scene with him and Jaal naked and practically being a "romance window display" for female players. 2 exclusive male squadmates for female players and then additional bonus Reyes romance. What screwing up again? There is a certain playrbase that got screwed with romance but it ain't straight women. Liam ain't naked and Jamal has sex scene yes but not everyone is into aliens. Male Ryder got sex scenes with Cora as well. And no.. Liam isn't shirtless half the game lol. Do your research, besides we aren't talking number of romances, so why mention Reyes? Guys got him too, I was talking about sex scenes and the lack of. Ahh ok sorry, Liam is only walking around shirtless 1/3 of the game. And whether you are into aliens or not doesn't matter. Jaal's sex scene is content developed for straight female players and it's Cora-level of detail and explict nudity. And then BOTH Liam and Jaal are 100% exclusive squadmates for female players. Even straight male Ryder doesn't have TWO exclusive squadmates lol. And if you wanna talk exclusively about sex scenes, there is 1 playerbase that doesn't have ANY sex scene in any romance. Once again, it's not the straight women.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 2, 2017 14:37:45 GMT
Liam ain't naked and Jamal has sex scene yes but not everyone is into aliens. Male Ryder got sex scenes with Cora as well. And no.. Liam isn't shirtless half the game lol. Do your research, besides we aren't talking number of romances, so why mention Reyes? Guys got him too, I was talking about sex scenes and the lack of. Ahh ok sorry, Liam is only walking around shirtless 1/3 of the game. And whether you are into aliens or not doesn't matter. Jaal's sex scene is content developed for straight female players and it's Cora-level of detail and explict nudity. And then BOTH Liam and Jaal are 100% exclusive squadmates for female players. Even straight male Ryder doesn't have TWO exclusive squadmates lol. And if you wanna talk exclusively about sex scenes, there is 1 playerbase that doesn't have ANY sex scene in any romance. Once again, it's not the straight women. Read my damn post. I never said you guys weren't screwed over as well and AGAIN this isn't about the number of romances, it's about sex scenes and NO... Liam has ONE scene shirtless, not that it matters since my posts were still about SEX SCENES and not about shirtless dudes lol. Edit: correction, Liam has one and a half shirtless scene... oh dear God... better correct it before you go all crazy on me.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 2, 2017 14:41:23 GMT
Edit: correction, Liam has one and a half shirtless scene... oh dear God... better correct it before you go all crazy on me. Nah, I'm just gonna say "do ya research!" :ulikeit:
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 2, 2017 14:41:34 GMT
Overall, I think BioWare is getting better at romances. Some of the romances really shined and it seems BioWare is getting more comfortable animating these intimate scenes. That being said, BioWare seems to be horribly inconsistent with quality between potential love interests. While some of the romances were exceptionally well-executed (Jaal, Cora, Peebee), others felt lacking in my opinion (Liam, Vetra, Suvi). My other minor complaint would be the sheer size of the game makes the romance arcs seem very small in comparison. I clocked in around 111 hours in my first completionist run on Insanity, and most of the "romance" up until that point was the occasional flirt and nothing else. There doesn't need to be sex scenes all over, but it would be nice if your interactions felt like an actual relationship and not just an infrequent flirting simulator for a majority of the experience. I was hoping we'd get away from the "sex scene right before final mission," but it seems that Mass Effect staple reared its ugly head in Mass Effect Andromeda. With how big BioWare games are getting in terms of content (offering over 100 hours of play time), I think there needs to be serious consideration in overhauling and providing more content in romances to compensate for the longer experiences. I don't think they're necessarily getting better, I just don't think this is the worst they've ever done. About neutral I guess? You are right about quality of romance content between love interests however. Garrus in ME2 felt he had barely anything in comparison to Thane or Jacob, but then Garrus' romance was exceptionally well done in ME3 while those two (Jacob especially) were dropped like hot rocks. I get that there's a bit of a popularity contest, and that the more popular romances tend to get more content, but I also feel that it shouldn't be that way, especially since this is technically the first game in the Andromeda series. Straight male romances got top picks and top priority in content and animating (lesbians tend to get scraps since there will also be bisexual, aka Peebee), with the assumed most popular straight female romance getting next pick (but not necessarily equal content), and the rest getting... what, scraps? For all the #prettygoodbanging they bragged about, the pickings aren't that great if you don't go for Jaal, Cora or Peebee. Dragon Age has always handled romance better in my opinion (with the exception of Sebastian but we don't talk about Sebastian).
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 2, 2017 14:44:30 GMT
Edit: correction, Liam has one and a half shirtless scene... oh dear God... better correct it before you go all crazy on me. Nah, I'm just gonna say "do ya research!" :ulikeit: Don't need to, I romanced him as female Ryder, so I know how it played out
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 2, 2017 15:26:23 GMT
Jaal romance was great; decent amount of content and little acknowledgments sprinkled throughout the game that made the romance feel more important and ongoing.I'm currently on my 2nd playthrough and have flirted with only Liam and "locked in" romance with him. Although I really like his character, he clearly is a bare bones romance and didn't receive the kind of attention or writing given to Jaal's character, which is really sad. I may try Reyes at some later time in the future, but the bugs have dimmed any desire to roll new characters. (I have no opinions on the other romances as I never romance chicks.) I agree. His romance was the only one I've seen so I can't comment on any of the others, but it was fantastic and I hope is a "template" for Bioware romances in the future (for everyone). (Template here not meaning make the guys exactly like him, of course, but, as you said, nice content amount that is sprinkled throughout). It felt apart of the whole story instead of side content.
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Post by bekkael on Apr 2, 2017 15:54:13 GMT
Overall, I think BioWare is getting better at romances. Some of the romances really shined and it seems BioWare is getting more comfortable animating these intimate scenes. That being said, BioWare seems to be horribly inconsistent with quality between potential love interests. While some of the romances were exceptionally well-executed (Jaal, Cora, Peebee), others felt lacking in my opinion (Liam, Vetra, Suvi). My other minor complaint would be the sheer size of the game makes the romance arcs seem very small in comparison. I clocked in around 111 hours in my first completionist run on Insanity, and most of the "romance" up until that point was the occasional flirt and nothing else. There doesn't need to be sex scenes all over, but it would be nice if your interactions felt like an actual relationship and not just an infrequent flirting simulator for a majority of the experience. I was hoping we'd get away from the "sex scene right before final mission," but it seems that Mass Effect staple reared its ugly head in Mass Effect Andromeda. With how big BioWare games are getting in terms of content (offering over 100 hours of play time), I think there needs to be serious consideration in overhauling and providing more content in romances to compensate for the longer experiences. I don't think they're necessarily getting better, I just don't think this is the worst they've ever done. About neutral I guess? You are right about quality of romance content between love interests however. Garrus in ME2 felt he had barely anything in comparison to Thane or Jacob, but then Garrus' romance was exceptionally well done in ME3 while those two (Jacob especially) were dropped like hot rocks. I get that there's a bit of a popularity contest, and that the more popular romances tend to get more content, but I also feel that it shouldn't be that way, especially since this is technically the first game in the Andromeda series. Straight male romances got top picks and top priority in content and animating (lesbians tend to get scraps since there will also be bisexual, aka Peebee), with the assumed most popular straight female romance getting next pick (but not necessarily equal content), and the rest getting... what, scraps? For all the #prettygoodbanging they bragged about, the pickings aren't that great if you don't go for Jaal, Cora or Peebee. Dragon Age has always handled romance better in my opinion (with the exception of Sebastian but we don't talk about Sebastian). Just my opinion, but I actually think it's much better when there is no gender gating and all romances are playersexual. DA2 got so much (undeserved) criticism, but I like that you can have any romance in the game, regardless of which gender Hawke you play as. What good does it do to lock off content based on the gender of my PC? It seems far more inclusive to me, to leave the romance in the hands of the person playing the game, not have devs decide who I can or can't romance based on my cartoon character's imaginary genitals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 16:00:55 GMT
Liam ain't naked and Jamal has sex scene yes but not everyone is into aliens. Male Ryder got sex scenes with Cora as well. And no.. Liam isn't shirtless half the game lol. Do your research, besides we aren't talking number of romances, so why mention Reyes? Guys got him too, I was talking about sex scenes and the lack of. Ahh ok sorry, Liam is only walking around shirtless 1/3 of the game. And whether you are into aliens or not doesn't matter. Jaal's sex scene is content developed for straight female players and it's Cora-level of detail and explict nudity. And then BOTH Liam and Jaal are 100% exclusive squadmates for female players. Even straight male Ryder doesn't have TWO exclusive squadmates lol. And if you wanna talk exclusively about sex scenes, there is 1 playerbase that doesn't have ANY sex scene in any romance. Once again, it's not the straight women. there is a distinction between a female avatar and female player. Some of us, female players, don't like most romances with a male character exclusive to a female Ryder, trust me. I place zero value on exclusiveness of the romance. The highest value I place on ability to play a PC I want to play and chose between max available options for this PC. Exclusiveness really ruins that. I much, much, much prefer to share.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 2, 2017 16:18:15 GMT
Ahh ok sorry, Liam is only walking around shirtless 1/3 of the game. And whether you are into aliens or not doesn't matter. Jaal's sex scene is content developed for straight female players and it's Cora-level of detail and explict nudity. And then BOTH Liam and Jaal are 100% exclusive squadmates for female players. Even straight male Ryder doesn't have TWO exclusive squadmates lol. And if you wanna talk exclusively about sex scenes, there is 1 playerbase that doesn't have ANY sex scene in any romance. Once again, it's not the straight women. there is a distinction between a female avatar and female player. Some of us, female players, don't like most romances with a male character exclusive to a female Ryder, trust me. I place zero value on exclusiveness of the romance. The highest value I place on ability to play a PC I want to play and chose between max available options for this PC. Exclusiveness really ruins that. I much, much, much prefer to share. Same here, I don't care about sharing as long as the romance ark has been made good, that's all I care about. I didn't even notice Reyes was bi, it didn't bother me the slightest.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 2, 2017 16:30:36 GMT
Just my opinion, but I actually think it's much better when there is no gender gating and all romances are playersexual. DA2 got so much (undeserved) criticism, but I like that you can have any romance in the game, regardless of which gender Hawke you play as. What good does it do to lock off content based on the gender of my PC? It seems far more inclusive to me, to leave the romance in the hands of the person playing the game, not have devs decide who I can or can't romance based on my cartoon character's imaginary genitals. It's too mixed a topic in my opinion. I can understand why gay people want something exclusive for them, especially when they are so used to picking up scraps and leftovers. And of course, you cannot tie sexuality to a character. You arguably don't lose anything by making a character like Jaal or Cassandra bisexual. You do lose something if you make Gil or Sera bisexual. DAII did the playersexual thing well in my opinion, or at least, better then Fallout 4 did. I want to say because it didn't feel like a copy/paste thing.
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Post by Sah291 on Apr 2, 2017 16:37:18 GMT
Jaal romance was great; decent amount of content and little acknowledgments sprinkled throughout the game that made the romance feel more important and ongoing.I'm currently on my 2nd playthrough and have flirted with only Liam and "locked in" romance with him. Although I really like his character, he clearly is a bare bones romance and didn't receive the kind of attention or writing given to Jaal's character, which is really sad. I may try Reyes at some later time in the future, but the bugs have dimmed any desire to roll new characters. (I have no opinions on the other romances as I never romance chicks.) I agree. His romance was the only one I've seen so I can't comment on any of the others, but it was fantastic and I hope is a "template" for Bioware romances in the future (for everyone). (Template here not meaning make the guys exactly like him, of course, but, as you said, nice content amount that is sprinkled throughout). It felt apart of the whole story instead of side content. I haven't even romanced Jaal yet, but already I can tell he feels like one of the most plot important characters, and that maybe was intended as main love interest for female Ryder.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 2, 2017 17:14:54 GMT
I agree. His romance was the only one I've seen so I can't comment on any of the others, but it was fantastic and I hope is a "template" for Bioware romances in the future (for everyone). (Template here not meaning make the guys exactly like him, of course, but, as you said, nice content amount that is sprinkled throughout). It felt apart of the whole story instead of side content. I haven't even romanced Jaal yet, but already I can tell he feels like one of the most plot important characters, and that maybe was intended as main love interest for female Ryder. I definitely agree that he's her designated main romance this game. Not only is it well-written, it's also Jaal as a character. Jaal, in his role as the only squadmate angara, is so important to the story that if Pathfinder wasn't the protagonist and you were looking for another focal point in the cast to wring the greatest dramatic tension out of, it'd probably have to be him. All the twists of the game involve the angara (obviously, since the Milky Way species just kind of kicked the door down to an ongoing plot happening in the Andromeda galaxy), he knows the system and most planets better than anyone, his is the only species that will be completely wiped out if you can't stop the kett. It's not that Jaal himself is terribly special, but as your only on-board angara, he's basically our unofficial ambassador and conduit to his species. It's almost as if it would have made sense to make such a plot-crucial character available for both genders.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 17:41:23 GMT
They neglected their female players once again. I looked over all of the romances in YouTube and boy is there a HUGE difference between male Ryder and female Ryder's romances. It's VERY offensive. Male Ryder gets hard core porn naked sex scenes and he get jealousy comments from his Li's if he romances several at a time, while female Ryder gets her sex scenes (except for hideous alien Jaal ofc) faded to black and only lasted two sec and if she tries to romance several at once, they automatically goes to friendship mode, no comments or anything about each other. It really pisses me off how much Bioware neglects their female fan base like this. I know this also counts for the gay fan base though, so them too. I just hope they're smart enough to do something about it in a future dlc but I have my doubts. Though I generally agree, I think this is something that can be fixed, but not in this game. BioWare seemed to understand what they needed to do in ME2 and moreso in ME3. For whatever reason they've forgotten but I think many people were vocal about their opinions on the romances. I would imagine that MEA2 (should it ever exist) will improve things. ME3 was the first time I ever got to play a game where I saw an m/m romance. I loved other games like NWN and KOTOR but they didn't have what I was looking for in the romance department. In a lot of ways I just assumed that's how it had to be. Then along came ME and DA and suddenly there are these new rules in place. Refuse to go back. That said, I wasn't in any way left out. I just felt the "fling" was the better paced romance over the "real" LI option. And I'm convinced that a squadmate romance beats out a non-squaddie so I'm going to lobby for that in future DLC/games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 17:49:26 GMT
there is a distinction between a female avatar and female player. Some of us, female players, don't like most romances with a male character exclusive to a female Ryder, trust me. I place zero value on exclusiveness of the romance. The highest value I place on ability to play a PC I want to play and chose between max available options for this PC. Exclusiveness really ruins that. I much, much, much prefer to share. I'm the same as you. I don't need an exclusive m/m romance. I loved the mShep/Kaidan romance. I never felt slighted that he wasn't 100% gay. I wasn't as interested in all-gay Steve and it wasn't a dislike of the character. Similarly, I found the Reyes "fling" to be more interesting than the Gil "romance", or at least no worse.
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Post by zeratul12 on Apr 2, 2017 17:56:21 GMT
Well im not even gonna touch on the 'fairness' of certain romances.
I fell for Vetra she was just so much fun to be around and I find the romance between her and Male Ryder cute in a certain way. Sure there was a significant lack of a sex scene but that doesn't spoil it for me.
I didnt go for cora or Peebee cause I just found them...boring. They are the 'safe' choices that every player is gonna choose on the first playthrough.
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Post by raikas on Apr 2, 2017 17:57:31 GMT
I just felt the "fling" was the better paced romance over the "real" LI option. Leaving aside the issues around who gets whom and representation, this part about pacing was the most interesting thing I took away from the romances in this game. I was doing a flirt with everyone/lock in late run so that I could go back and watch them all (or all available to Scott anyway), and I still came away thinking that Keri had the best paced romance and some of the best dialogue. And while the pacing was off, for dialogue and build-up, I'd rank Reyes second. I'm still trying to figure out what didn't work for me with the others, because Cora and PeeBee have so much more content, and I liked Vetra's overall character and banter, but there was just something missing with all of them. And I thought the "let's be parents" thing with Gil was ridiculous for the timeline we're given.
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 2, 2017 18:08:55 GMT
I agree. His romance was the only one I've seen so I can't comment on any of the others, but it was fantastic and I hope is a "template" for Bioware romances in the future (for everyone). (Template here not meaning make the guys exactly like him, of course, but, as you said, nice content amount that is sprinkled throughout). It felt apart of the whole story instead of side content. I haven't even romanced Jaal yet, but already I can tell he feels like one of the most plot important characters, and that maybe was intended as main love interest for female Ryder. I'm pretty sure this decision stems from having the most popular romances with the female fanbase in ME be the alien ones. They were reeeaally unsure whether that would work out before ME2 and were, in fact, shocked that women were requesting a romance with Garrus after ME1 released .
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Post by phoray on Apr 2, 2017 18:17:59 GMT
I haven't even romanced Jaal yet, but already I can tell he feels like one of the most plot important characters, and that maybe was intended as main love interest for female Ryder. I'm pretty sure this decision stems from having the most popular romances with the female fanbase in ME be the alien ones. They were reeeaally unsure whether that would work out before ME2 and were, in fact, shocked that women were requesting a romance with Garrus after ME1 released . That Jacob's romance sucked so hard is the only reason I flirted with Garrus the Space Cockroach and Thane the Space Lizard. In the ase of Garrus, they gave content for a character people knew and wanted to romance. Going Alien from the get go and full content on an alien character people didn't know was depending on a lot assumption
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 2, 2017 18:30:27 GMT
They neglected their female players once again. I looked over all of the romances in YouTube and boy is there a HUGE difference between male Ryder and female Ryder's romances. It's VERY offensive. Male Ryder gets hard core porn naked sex scenes and he get jealousy comments from his Li's if he romances several at a time, while female Ryder gets her sex scenes (except for hideous alien Jaal ofc) faded to black and only lasted two sec and if she tries to romance several at once, they automatically goes to friendship mode, no comments or anything about each other. It really pisses me off how much Bioware neglects their female fan base like this. I know this also counts for the gay fan base though, so them too. I just hope they're smart enough to do something about it in a future dlc but I have my doubts. That's really my biggest issue with MEA. There's just a lack of consistency with all of the love interests. Some are great but others are just lacking. If you don't like Cora, Peebee, or Jaal, then there really isn't a satisfying romance in this game. The others just feel incomplete, and I really don't get it. Especially with Liam, he should have a more involved romance. I understand why Jaal received so much attention, but it shouldn't have been to the detriment of other squadmates. I did not find the kind of romance I liked. I have checked out flirts on Liam, Jaal, PeeBee and Vetra. I am playing a fourth planet, and so far the romances have not been prominent. I haven't so much as a kissing scene. The most romantic thing I got was Jaal's letter about "dearest". I would have liked Jaal more if not for the manner he is voiced in. His VA delivers dialogues so slowly, that it feels like he is a senior citizen. While it is an interesting concept, and highlights him being an alien, it does not do much in terms of romantic attachement for me. I have met Reyes, but was not offered flirts yet. This is another one of my issues with the romances in this game. None of them really flourish until almost to the final mission and after their loyalty mission arcs, which go on for most of the game. Up until that point, it's just the occasional flirt and nothing else. It took me maybe 90 hours until I realized a romance was actually happening, and the Codex where it updates relationships wasn't helpful at all. I don't think they're necessarily getting better, I just don't think this is the worst they've ever done. About neutral I guess? You are right about quality of romance content between love interests however. Garrus in ME2 felt he had barely anything in comparison to Thane or Jacob, but then Garrus' romance was exceptionally well done in ME3 while those two (Jacob especially) were dropped like hot rocks. I get that there's a bit of a popularity contest, and that the more popular romances tend to get more content, but I also feel that it shouldn't be that way, especially since this is technically the first game in the Andromeda series. Straight male romances got top picks and top priority in content and animating (lesbians tend to get scraps since there will also be bisexual, aka Peebee), with the assumed most popular straight female romance getting next pick (but not necessarily equal content), and the rest getting... what, scraps? For all the #prettygoodbanging they bragged about, the pickings aren't that great if you don't go for Jaal, Cora or Peebee. Dragon Age has always handled romance better in my opinion (with the exception of Sebastian but we don't talk about Sebastian). By better I was really focusing more on the execution of the sex animations (Cora, Peebee, and Jaal were all executed very well). As far as the relationships and dialogue, I felt there could have been a lot more given how large the game is in terms of content. I agree that BioWare tends to pat itself on the back for having so many romance options, yet most of them just weren't that great. Dragon Age has always done a better job in terms of inclusiveness and that's because of the writing team. David Gaider made it a priority with that franchise, but things could change with DA4 considering he left BioWare. Just my opinion, but I actually think it's much better when there is no gender gating and all romances are playersexual. DA2 got so much (undeserved) criticism, but I like that you can have any romance in the game, regardless of which gender Hawke you play as. What good does it do to lock off content based on the gender of my PC? It seems far more inclusive to me, to leave the romance in the hands of the person playing the game, not have devs decide who I can or can't romance based on my cartoon character's imaginary genitals. I do think the "playersexual" route generally is better for inclusiveness, as everybody just gets to choose what they want. I understand why BioWare thinks the player shouldn't be able to determine the sexuality of the companion, but ultimately this is a story about the player. We are the hero and it is about us. It would be far less work if they just made all of the romances work for everyone. The only extra work that would probably need to be done is making sure all the animations work for both males and females. I haven't even romanced Jaal yet, but already I can tell he feels like one of the most plot important characters, and that maybe was intended as main love interest for female Ryder. The angara are easily one of the highlights of MEA, and Jaal represents them in the game. I'm not surprised at all he has one of the best romances. I just wish the others weren't so lacking in comparison.
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Apr 2, 2017 18:35:51 GMT
I hated the Reyes romance.
I hate it because he makes my ovaries melt.
I hate it because I can't do any of the other romances now, because that would mean not romancing him.
He's so good my fiance changed his mind about being a lesbian so that he could romance him too And that is the weirdest sentence I'll type this month
Damn you BioWare.
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Post by bigbad on Apr 2, 2017 18:36:46 GMT
I've only experienced the PeeBee romance (as a female Ryder), and I very much enjoyed it. Her character grew on me a lot, and I felt like the romance content was well done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 18:39:17 GMT
I agree. His romance was the only one I've seen so I can't comment on any of the others, but it was fantastic and I hope is a "template" for Bioware romances in the future (for everyone). (Template here not meaning make the guys exactly like him, of course, but, as you said, nice content amount that is sprinkled throughout). It felt apart of the whole story instead of side content. I haven't even romanced Jaal yet, but already I can tell he feels like one of the most plot important characters, and that maybe was intended as main love interest for female Ryder. I can confirm it feels that way. Even their personalities, hopes and dreams match up. It's also why he was her LI in the trailer most likely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 18:41:40 GMT
That's a bit ridiculous I gotta be honest. I imagine a lot of females who play these sort of games would appreciate a more fleshed out romance ark (maybe more so than us lads even) so I don't get why they wouldn't put a lot of work in there for you. Would you say it's any better at least than romances like Kaidan or Jacob? Agreed. I think Kaidan romance was much better, at least he got a somewhat decent sex scene plus decent content in comparison imo. I never liked Jacobs romance, so it's better than his. Don't get me wrong, mea in itself is an amazing game and I love it but I've always valued a good romance, that's why I'm disappointed and especially when it's not equal to the guys. Had it been equal, then I would have said okay it is what it is but seeing how much effort they put into the male Ryder's ark and not into the female Ryder, that just pisses me off, I can't help it. I'm as much a paying and a gamer as the male customers are, if not more sometimes, I bought a copy for both my consoles, Xbox one and PS4, they should value the shit out of me. Ha I thought I was the only one, I'm planning on doing that too, though I flicked through the app and some of those challenges look like they take some serious investment to get done. I'll have enough trouble getting them done on the PS4 alone never mind when I get it on the Xbox at a later date.
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Post by AGECCR on Apr 2, 2017 18:47:54 GMT
I'm pretty sure this decision stems from having the most popular romances with the female fanbase in ME be the alien ones. They were reeeaally unsure whether that would work out before ME2 and were, in fact, shocked that women were requesting a romance with Garrus after ME1 released . That Jacob's romance sucked so hard is the only reason I flirted with Garrus the Space Cockroach and Thane the Space Lizard. In the ase of Garrus, they gave content for a character people knew and wanted to romance. Going Alien from the get go and full content on an alien character people didn't know was depending on a lot assumption Assumption is something I'd lay at any of the Love Interests' feet. You never know if people will like someone or not until they play. All I can say about the Garrus romance (since I started with ME1 all those years ago) was that I wanted Garrus as an Li in ME but he wasn't available. So, I found him attractive as a character and found the turian design interesting. It should also be said that I found the alien characters in ME1 far more interesting and "human" than the 2 humans we had on squad. Watching the devs in older videos about the game suggests that others had felt the same way. And while it's true that you'd be less likely to "rock the boat" with a human, the feedback they heard from the series was "alien Li's are really intriguing and we like them". That obviously doesn't go for everybody but does open the door to having at least one alien available if the alien character can fit the Li bill. We know there's always going to be a human available if aliens put someone off. The full content for Jaal fit really well for the story and character. That's why I think they handled it the way they did, at least imo. For the romance scene, they already designed a nude Angara model for the story, so they had the resources to show a more steamy love scene. And, again, it works for that character and how he was designed.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 2, 2017 18:48:18 GMT
there is a distinction between a female avatar and female player. Some of us, female players, don't like most romances with a male character exclusive to a female Ryder, trust me. I place zero value on exclusiveness of the romance. The highest value I place on ability to play a PC I want to play and chose between max available options for this PC. Exclusiveness really ruins that. I much, much, much prefer to share. That's fine for you, because exclusive straight romances for both gentlemen and ladies are a well established BioWare thing. Exclusive gay romances are not. Lesbian characters usually get their content tacked on to whatever straight dudes have. Out of the three total lesbian-only romances in BioWare games, one stripped down for male characters anyway, one was written bi but was changed late in development to be gay, and the third is a perfect angel and there should be more romances like hers. In general, then, the gay and bi ladies in these games mostly scan as "we wrote this for dudes but we guess it can work for ladies if we rearrange some skeletons and eyes, mutatis mutandis". And then there are the poor gay gentlemen, who don't even get that. Exclusivity isn't the be-all, end-all, but it does go a long way toward making people feel less like second-class citizens. I'm happy with Peebs and Vetra, and so are a lot of other people, but there's tons of room for improvement.
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