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Post by alanc9 on Apr 3, 2017 17:55:46 GMT
Did FO4 actually need to be easier? My only experience is with NV.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 3, 2017 17:58:01 GMT
Did FO4 actually need to be easier? My only experience is with NV. I play with console commands when available, so I prefer easy.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 3, 2017 18:21:14 GMT
I'm just curious to see what their central government/senate is like. I'm very curious about how their version of civilian life looks like. I'm hoping there are more facets to their society than exaltation: the presence of a senate could suggest so.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 3, 2017 18:35:04 GMT
Except that while MET has its juvenile MOMENTS, Teen Effect: Andromeda is one big juvenile moment through and through, with occasional but extremely rare and short moments of mature writing. Sorry sunshine, but in that context games are pretty much exact opposite of each other, so comparing them the way you did sounded exactly like a case of moderate fanboyism. Wait, I'm supposed to be the fanboy? That's droll.
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Post by jastall on Apr 3, 2017 18:41:22 GMT
It's interesting, because had I given a number after my first playthrough it would have been at a solid 7 out of 10. Now on my 3rd playthrough and having gotten used to the various (perplexing) design choices, I put it at 8 to 8.5. Watching AJ's vid, I can understand the lower scores...I'm actually shocked by the bugs they showed and weird animations. Nearly 3 full playthroughs and I can count on one hand the bugs I've run into...and by and large the animations look pretty good (save for the Asari eyes). I'm on PC with Bio's recommended specs. I've either been incredibly lucky or just have the perfect setup. I do agree with a few things they said. This game was made for insanity. The combat alone is worth the price tag. There is a ton of potential to work with moving forward and I pray Bio/EA don't knee jerk react to the situation. I also believe this game is better in game+ where there's no need to grind for weapon/Nomad upgrades. I like AngryJoe, but I don't see how he can give FO4 an 8/10 and this a 6/10. It's visual better (even factoring the flaws,) the story is a hell of a lot better, the combat is light years better, and at worst you can claim the RPG elements are similar. Well, whatever, I like it. Fallout will be judged entirely differ because it prioritized things differently. It's characters aren't a focus, nor is its main plot. Bethesda games in general accel at open world environments with a ton of random things to do, some will have more depth, some won't. Fallout also had a lot of hype riding up on it as as at the time, it had been a while since a fallout game came out. I'll also add, that because they openly encourage and support modding it opens their games up, unfortunately imo it also means people give the technical issues a pass just cuz the mods will let the community fix it itself when they shouldn't have to be the ones doing it. It's something I wonder that would've changed with Andromeda had it supported modding, I'd still be vs the technical issues but I doubt others would be as vocal if given the ability to fix it themselves. skyrim and fallout are just up their because of modding capabilities, it literally means one can create a variety of content to keep the game going their own way. Plus skyrim at the time was pretty big, was a new experience for people, and deserved it. It's all I ever saw people play when it came out. I put in hundreds of hours into it myself, the freedom it gives is a big part, and it's part of why Bethesda games do so well. Characters and plot aren't a focus on Bethesda's Fallouts because they don't want them to be. New Vegas has shown that marrying an open world with an interesting, coherent setting and great characters is very much possible, it's just that Bethesda prefers not to bother with such things since they know a lot of their fanbase doesn't give a toss about them and would rather do random things for fun in their theme parks without worrying about how much sense it makes. Which is fine, but reviewers often fail to call out the shitty writing in Bethesda games, or overlook it altogether, when by all rights it should at least be on the table as they're nominally RPGs. Meanwhile other studios (hardly limited to Bioware) have a few bad lines in the early game, and they line up to say it's worse than Battlefield Earth or something.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2017 18:59:17 GMT
Fallout will be judged entirely differ because it prioritized things differently. It's characters aren't a focus, nor is its main plot. Bethesda games in general accel at open world environments with a ton of random things to do, some will have more depth, some won't. Fallout also had a lot of hype riding up on it as as at the time, it had been a while since a fallout game came out. I'll also add, that because they openly encourage and support modding it opens their games up, unfortunately imo it also means people give the technical issues a pass just cuz the mods will let the community fix it itself when they shouldn't have to be the ones doing it. It's something I wonder that would've changed with Andromeda had it supported modding, I'd still be vs the technical issues but I doubt others would be as vocal if given the ability to fix it themselves. skyrim and fallout are just up their because of modding capabilities, it literally means one can create a variety of content to keep the game going their own way. Plus skyrim at the time was pretty big, was a new experience for people, and deserved it. It's all I ever saw people play when it came out. I put in hundreds of hours into it myself, the freedom it gives is a big part, and it's part of why Bethesda games do so well. I can dream of a day when BioWare will open their game up to the modding community. They used to, in the good old days of Baldur's Gate and NEverwinter Nights
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Post by goishen on Apr 3, 2017 19:17:25 GMT
I hate it when you ask for someone's opinion and they say, "Well, it's subjective." That's not an opinion, that's simply a way to sidestep the conversation. "It was good/bad." That's an opinion.
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Post by sushidubya on Apr 3, 2017 19:29:31 GMT
Not suprised that Angry Joe wouldn't be happy with the game... XD
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 3, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
I hate it when you ask for someone's opinion and they say, "Well, it's subjective." That's not an opinion, that's simply a way to sidestep the conversation. "It was good/bad." That's an opinion. All opinions are just subjective views portrayed like they are the only answer acceptable. Even though in reality, they are not.
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Post by goishen on Apr 3, 2017 19:36:08 GMT
I hate it when you ask for someone's opinion and they say, "Well, it's subjective." That's not an opinion, that's simply a way to sidestep the conversation. "It was good/bad." That's an opinion. All opinions are just subjective views portrayed like they are the only answer acceptable. Even though in reality, they are not. Wow, really? I had this speech all planned out, but you really truthfully are a solipsist.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 3, 2017 19:38:48 GMT
All opinions are just subjective views portrayed like they are the only answer acceptable. Even though in reality, they are not. Wow, really? I had this speech all planned out, but you really truthfully are a solipsist. How so? How am I self absorbed when I just stated that no one opinion is above all else therefore negating the good/bad opinion statement? Could it also be I have the audacity to actually challenge people and what they believe, and I am also not afraid to speak my mind?
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Post by The Twilight God on Apr 3, 2017 20:48:24 GMT
I was on the fence about buying the game right away, but I think I'm going to wait awhile until the glitches are patched. At 29:22 what is bearded guy referring too by "they chose one of the worst endings of ME3"?
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 3, 2017 20:49:20 GMT
I don't disagree they get more interesting as it goes along but I found them intriguing because of the backstory and Reaper worship. Not to mention the fact I just liked the overall design. The Kett are just really uninspired in all respects. That could change of course but I'm comparing first impressions rather than what might be improved. I'm just curious to see what their central government/senate is like. And the Primus...
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Post by shechinah on Apr 3, 2017 21:03:28 GMT
I'm just curious to see what their central government/senate is like. And the Primus... She seemed to be a sort of assistant specifically to the Archon: it did not seem like she was equal to him in authority but at the same time, it didn't seem like she was below anybody else in authority or was in charge of a facility like the Cardinal was. That's just my guess, though. I'm curious as to what she'll be in the future but I hope she'll continue to want to see Ryder exalted. Unlike the Archon, she didn't seemed deterred from the prospect of Ryder possibly defeating the Archon or fighting the kett. If anything, I think she found it made Ryder all the more a worthwhile candidate for exaltation. I even think she mentions Ryder's determination to do so as being something desirable in exaltation. We didn't have much time with her but that one conversation with her was something I found interesting especially in how she viewed exaltation and referred to the kett as specifically a family when she told Ryder and their crew that they'd be a part of it.
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Post by Nightman on Apr 3, 2017 21:07:28 GMT
I just finished watching it and I do have to say....that is a very honest and true review he gave. Yes, this game will make you laugh quite a bit but it is still an incredible gameplay experience to be had in terms of just the combat. I am having a great time playing the single player on Xbawks...and I have encountered very few bugs..( luckily and thankfully ) the ones I have seen have only made me laugh and none of them were game breaking. I have only seen a few of Joes reviews in the past and I felt this one gave a very honest opinion on this game.
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Post by traks on Apr 3, 2017 22:38:59 GMT
Entertaining as always and I can understand why it's a 6/10 for him. I rank it a bit higher, but he states his reason for the 6 well. A fun watch.
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Post by traks on Apr 3, 2017 22:42:06 GMT
I was on the fence about buying the game right away, but I think I'm going to wait awhile until the glitches are patched. At 29:22 what is bearded guy referring too by "they chose one of the worst endings of ME3"? The game makes hints that those that new about the Reapers and went to Andromeda think that the Reapers won. So he probably meant that Bioware might tell the story out of that perspective, though we of course know better. But with no communication between the Galaxies yet...
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Post by malgus on Apr 3, 2017 23:01:40 GMT
I was on the fence about buying the game right away, but I think I'm going to wait awhile until the glitches are patched. At 29:22 what is bearded guy referring too by "they chose one of the worst endings of ME3"? For some reaon he thinks there is canon ending to ME 3, he is completely wrong about it, he did not seem to understand that the departure to andromeda was a way to avoid any canon ending.
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Post by Tawneys Bimorph on Apr 3, 2017 23:14:58 GMT
I would have given this game a 6.5/10 at its current state and an 8/10 with all the glitches fixed.
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Post by The Twilight God on Apr 3, 2017 23:20:14 GMT
At 29:22 what is bearded guy referring too by "they chose one of the worst endings of ME3"? The game makes hints that those that new about the Reapers and went to Andromeda think that the Reapers won. So he probably meant that Bioware might tell the story out of that perspective, though we of course know better. But with no communication between the Galaxies yet... So bearded guy is just stupid?
Obviously anyone leaving when the AI left would assume the Reapers would win if they knew about them. That has nothing to do with a choice on Bioware's part to legitimize a fail ending. It's just the educated guess of a character in the game.
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Post by The Twilight God on Apr 3, 2017 23:22:02 GMT
At 29:22 what is bearded guy referring too by "they chose one of the worst endings of ME3"? For some reaon he thinks there is canon ending to ME 3, he is completely wrong about it, he did not seem to understand that the departure to andromeda was a way to avoid any canon ending. The canon endings is the MEHEM.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 3, 2017 23:34:25 GMT
I can agree with a lot of his points however two observations: 1) the character is not shepard and so you have to accept you will not get the same traits (if you did wouldn't that be just another uninspired derivative experience?) 2) it's clear he likes Garrus, but I bet it is post citadel DLC Garrus and not ME1 Garrus. It's therefore unfair to judge the charachters by the same standard
However I will agree with points about the lack of imagination in some of the setting. Where's my giant 7 legged creatures that get their energy for life via giant tentacles that attach to life forms and suck out their energy? Where's my race of jumping one eyed ball people who use eezo to manipulate objects around them and who communicate via changes in skin colour?
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 4, 2017 0:57:54 GMT
She seemed to be a sort of assistant specifically to the Archon: it did not seem like she was equal to him in authority but at the same time, it didn't seem like she was below anybody else in authority or was in charge of a facility like the Cardinal was. That's just my guess, though. I'm curious as to what she'll be in the future but I hope she'll continue to want to see Ryder exalted. Unlike the Archon, she didn't seemed deterred from the prospect of Ryder possibly defeating the Archon or fighting the kett. If anything, I think she found it made Ryder all the more a worthwhile candidate for exaltation. I even think she mentions Ryder's determination to do so as being something desirable in exaltation. We didn't have much time with her but that one conversation with her was something I found interesting especially in how she viewed exaltation and referred to the kett as specifically a family when she told Ryder and their crew that they'd be a part of it. It's also very powerful setup. It makes her become a decent villain pulling strings behind the scenes, for one, it showcases how the Kett as a hierarchy are bit more fractured than they seem, and it gives us a glimpse of their civilization. I get a very Theocratic society vibe from them, and anything with politics means political machinations to exploit. I want to see more.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 4, 2017 5:05:59 GMT
Well, I kinda was tempted to say "git gud", because for all of MEA's faults, the combat is the one thing that is properly solid. To be perfectly frank, it seems more likely to me that perhaps you're just not good at it, and blame the game. What the fuck ever. The jumping in this game is shit if you play on anything higher than normal. The combos are shit. The cover system is shit. The only power that I've seen (and I've seen quite a bit) that seems worth a damn is biotic charge. Take a look at any video on SP MEA, and you'll see it. You've got BioWare coming out Tuesday to apologize for the game, but ya know what? You just keep on telling yourself I need to git gud.I find that Incinerate, Lance and Energy drain are very powerful together. I've tried all different kinds of combinations in the skill trees. I find this one very effective. I played 1st playthrough normal and about half way through a 2nd on Hardcore. I keep coming back to this set up for the hardest battles. I do switch out several other powers including Overload, tactical cloak, remnant IV , Cryo blast charge, etc. But for the boss battles I stick with the above set. Like I said I fell like it just tears up the boss's. Add the Ishray One shot sniper w/some kind of special ammo and you're good to go.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 4, 2017 5:32:51 GMT
I'm not guilting people, I'll honestly think they're downplaying the issues whether they acknowledge them or not. A 8 to 10 score is generally reserved for the best games, while 2017 is still pretty early I don't see Andromeda holding up vs the rest of the competition in the score department. Nevertheless I don't go by meta critic as there's always games getting ranked higher than they should (and I've referenced a broken, unplayable mcc being higher than this game sitting at 85) and there's games getting out lower than they should. It's all opinion really, and if people are bothered by my own they have to just deal with it. If I think someone's jaded they'll need to give a really good explantation to support their stance, just like those who are obsessed and support the negativity a game gets (cuz there are people who are enjoying seeing this game get trashed on for whatever reason). You really believe that?! You're right you should try to understand them instead of being judgmental like Joe is. AND the snowflakes enter. If someone has a different opinion they are "guilting" people and "judgmental". Grow up smilesia. ShadowAngel is logical and has a well thought out point of view which he articulated respectfully. Deal with it. And while you're dealing with it you have my permission to google "articulated".
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