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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 13:27:35 GMT
You... can't finish the final fight in this game? Is it too hard or buggy? Is it a common issue that the company responded to, or is it a feature, not a bug sort of thing and they would stick to their guns to keep it that way? Heh, I have been putting on and taking off this game on the wishlist for a month or so, and I am just so confused about it.
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Post by Psychedelic on Oct 16, 2017 15:06:51 GMT
Boss fights are generally the least fun part of games for me, especially the final one. It's supposed to be the game's culmination, but it's usually harder while being less rewarding because it's just over after that. Due to a bug I couldn't get that special weapon that should allow you to kill Braccus easier, in turn the the game glitched and he just dropped dead in the midddle of the fight for no apparent reason. Sort of equals out the bugs, I guess. I hope they redo the ending, that part was really the most disappointing thing of the whole game. I can't say much to the difficulty of the final fight for the reasons I mentioned, but storywise I had no real idea what was going on, that the log had contradicting entries was no help either. Larian seemed to be pretty intent on equaling out the results of your final choice. No matter what you do, you end up alive and in the same place (went through every available option after the final battle, and it had just taken me >100h to learn the game lets you save during conversations ). Makes me wonder if they have a sequel/ story DLC planned, not an just overhaul like the enhanced edition, to have a common ground for all players to start from. Malady's business was not resolved, was it?
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Post by Iakus on Oct 16, 2017 15:32:43 GMT
Ok, officially not going to be able to finish DOS 2. The last fight is a stupid fruitcake. The party hardly have any chance to attack ably, turn after turn went to the mob as they cast all sort of s**** that disable the party's ability to fight. I'm on the defensive all the time, not offensive; removing this, removing that. Instead of fighting Rex, Dallis threw in a lot of aoes on the party. The entire arena is full of cursed stuff, etc. I consider it cheating too since the mobs could move to higher decks easily. This is why I'm not fond of turn base PRGs. So this is my PT end of DOS 2. I'll watch YT for the endings. I can guess what it is; become divine or whatever. P.S. Watched the endings. Not bad. Did you play on tactician difficulty? I did.
While I wasn't too excited about enemies disabling my turns, I was also rather impressed with the level of the AI.
And personally, I actually enjoyed the final fight, I mean, all the characters there are supposed to be certified badasses so it's not supposed to be easy... Winning that fight on tactician difficulty was rather challenging, but not impossible.
It helps that during the final fight I got unlimited source points (not sure if that depends on earlier decisions which is possible, I think you need certain characters alive for it).
Personally I found Ethereal-Storm + Lightning-Storm to be rather effective against enemies, no matter how powerful... Dallis did have a lightning resistance of above 100% IIRC, so I had to kill her before casting lightning storm.
I'm finding that enemies are now making a beeline for Beast and stomp him into the ground immediately. Beast, BTW, is my party mage, and is of course the squishiest. They will go AROUND everyone else to turn him into paste. I've used more resurrection scrolls on him than everyone else combined. On one hand it's cool the AI is smart like that. on the other, it gets frustrating. Especially with enemies that teleport.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 17, 2017 0:05:03 GMT
Ok, officially not going to be able to finish DOS 2. The last fight is a stupid fruitcake. The party hardly have any chance to attack ably, turn after turn went to the mob as they cast all sort of s**** that disable the party's ability to fight. I'm on the defensive all the time, not offensive; removing this, removing that. Instead of fighting Rex, Dallis threw in a lot of aoes on the party. The entire arena is full of cursed stuff, etc. I consider it cheating too since the mobs could move to higher decks easily. This is why I'm not fond of turn base PRGs. So this is my PT end of DOS 2. I'll watch YT for the endings. I can guess what it is; become divine or whatever. P.S. Watched the endings. Not bad. Did you play on tactician difficulty? I did.
While I wasn't too excited about enemies disabling my turns, I was also rather impressed with the level of the AI.
And personally, I actually enjoyed the final fight, I mean, all the characters there are supposed to be certified badasses so it's not supposed to be easy... Winning that fight on tactician difficulty was rather challenging, but not impossible.
It helps that during the final fight I got unlimited source points (not sure if that depends on earlier decisions which is possible, I think you need certain characters alive for it).
Personally I found Ethereal-Storm + Lightning-Storm to be rather effective against enemies, no matter how powerful... Dallis did have a lightning resistance of above 100% IIRC, so I had to kill her before casting lightning storm.
No, it was on the easiest setting because I want the story, not the fights. That was the only fight that annoyed the freck out of me; I prefer a straight up fight, not taking turns to throw out the strikes. I went to look at my fav streamer's YT of his PT; he's on tactician. The key is Rex, not the others. He's the priority. I looked at the fight and I could see what the party lack, the mistakes I made in their build. I'm likely to do another PT with another team. I'll stick with Sebille. I like the elf design, very different from elves of other RPGs and the established formula for them; regal or pixie. When I see Sebille and the others in full regalia, I think of trees which is what they are eventually. With some experience in hand, I'll know what to build for the next PT and perhaps be able to finish the final fight. That will be later though, I've TW Warhammer II to play. Boss fights are generally the least fun part of games for me, especially the final one. It's supposed to be the game's culmination, but it's usually harder while being less rewarding because it's just over after that. Due to a bug I couldn't get that special weapon that should allow you to kill Braccus easier, in turn the the game glitched and he just dropped dead in the midddle of the fight for no apparent reason. Sort of equals out the bugs, I guess. I hope they redo the ending, that part was really the most disappointing thing of the whole game. I can't say much to the difficulty of the final fight for the reasons I mentioned, but storywise I had no real idea what was going on, that the log had contradicting entries was no help either. Larian seemed to be pretty intent on equaling out the results of your final choice. No matter what you do, you end up alive and in the same place (went through every available option after the final battle, and it had just taken me >100h to learn the game lets you save during conversations ). Makes me wonder if they have a sequel/ story DLC planned, not an just overhaul like the enhanced edition, to have a common ground for all players to start from. Malady's business was not resolved, was it? I don't know much about the lore since DOS 2 is the only one in the series I played through but Twitch chat was discussing it and it seems DOS 2 takes place between the second and third part of the time line events. So it's strange to have three different choice endings for DOS 2 considering the third segment of the time line. Only one ending will be canon. No, Malady's business is not resolved. There's likely to be another game. Since DOS 2 is successful, I expect there'll be more backers for the next one.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 17, 2017 3:26:41 GMT
I'm finding that enemies are now making a beeline for Beast and stomp him into the ground immediately. Beast, BTW, is my party mage, and is of course the squishiest. They will go AROUND everyone else to turn him into paste. I've used more resurrection scrolls on him than everyone else combined. On one hand it's cool the AI is smart like that. on the other, it gets frustrating. Especially with enemies that teleport. Yes, that something I've noticed as well. I ended up giving my enchanter a wand and a shield to make her less squishy, also some armor skills. I have him duel-wielding wands atm, but a shield may be a good idea.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 17, 2017 13:34:11 GMT
I have him duel-wielding wands atm, but a shield may be a good idea. I mean, I see the appeal of two wands and the higher level of damage per turn they provide, but IMO it's better to have an enchanter healing / teleporting / switching / shocking for longer, as in using actual spells, than have her do the pew-pew of auto attacks, as when it comes to basic attacks I think that wands are inferior to other types of weapons anyway.
Also, at some point I simply made sure that just about everyone in the party had some way to use teleport (or at least some way of teleporting themselves), in order to counter teleporting enemies.
How many defensive teleportation skills are there? I know of Tactical Retreat in the Huntsman tree, Planar Gate in the Summoning tree, and technically Warfare's Phoenix Dive could be used that way as well.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 18, 2017 2:55:57 GMT
^ Definitely looking at the portation skills; I'm researching for next PT. Lohse was the mage of the party and I didn't have her learn a portation skill so she's mostly stuck dirt side, getting slam on from above sometimes; especially for the last fight. Fane got it the worst; he was the first to die. Also, I realised where I've gone wrong with the incarnate. The amount of points to be invested in summon kind of makes me baulk but I think it's worth it. Too bad bone widow is nerfed. I think Fane is indispensable. Why? His bony fingers!
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2017 3:18:25 GMT
Is it just me or is the Andras fight incredibly annoying.
Right off the bat he summons a giant undead troll, which proceeds to oneshot a member of your party. On subsequent rounds he starts summoning 1-2 skeletons while said troll continues to turn the party to paste. faster than you can damage that frakking dog.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 24, 2017 13:01:05 GMT
I did a second PT, speed run and finished it. I tried two choices and I've to say I'd go with the first choice; sacrifice. It spells prosperity and peace for all, I'll take that over Ifan's angry fit. Honestly, if he can't put down his rage / revenge and see that the elves do get a second chance, that the wars will stop, then it's rather pointless to stay in with him. That got Ifan mad as f*** at Sebille although I was puzzled; I thought I killed Lucine but I guess if he could still talk at the end, he isn't dead. Bah. I guess Sebille choosing to take on the mantle of the Mother Tree doesn't factor in either. The whole thing is puzzling to me. If she accepts the responsibility, doesn't that make her de facto leader of the elves? Or maybe I misunderstand the role of a MT. perhaps they're spiritual leaders. If so, what's the whole bloody point of accepting it? I enjoyed the game very much. I wish though they didn't put in that pop song for Lohse, it's so out of place. A pic. I like the feather headdress, I've never seen it before. I wish the body armor is more substantial though. Now that I really finish it, on to the next game.
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Post by melbella on Oct 25, 2017 1:49:14 GMT
She looks like she's ready for Carnival in Brazil. And what's with the Pilgrim outfit?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 25, 2017 2:02:56 GMT
She looks like she's ready for Carnival in Brazil. And what's with the Pilgrim outfit? Now that you mention it, it does look carnival type. Each companion has a specific look in armor, like the companions in DAI, though it's different as they level up. I guess the pilgrim look is the final design for a enchanter armor for humans. Sebille, as an elf, will always have different kinds of flaring headdress. So far, there's only one body armor that I like for her; covering the whole body and rather feathery, as if she has wings. Both Fane and Ifan, since they're meleers, have each their own typical armor types corresponding to their classes.
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 25, 2017 3:34:10 GMT
So I learned that my laptop can not handle divinity 2 at all, which makes me sad as I will have to wait to play this.
Ah well. Tons of indie games instead...
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 25, 2017 10:15:50 GMT
Ah well. Tons of indie games instead... Something good? Most have been mediocre. Some I got for free that I had to review, some quick sales from gog and steam that I always wanted to try. Only good one is something I reviewed months ago, a rpg strategy game called battle brothers. Really challenging, very thematic like The Black Company novel series come to life minus most of the magic. Good stuff.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 25, 2017 11:27:49 GMT
Did you play on tactician difficulty? I did.
While I wasn't too excited about enemies disabling my turns, I was also rather impressed with the level of the AI.
And personally, I actually enjoyed the final fight, I mean, all the characters there are supposed to be certified badasses so it's not supposed to be easy... Winning that fight on tactician difficulty was rather challenging, but not impossible.
It helps that during the final fight I got unlimited source points (not sure if that depends on earlier decisions which is possible, I think you need certain characters alive for it).
Personally I found Ethereal-Storm + Lightning-Storm to be rather effective against enemies, no matter how powerful... Dallis did have a lightning resistance of above 100% IIRC, so I had to kill her before casting lightning storm.
I'm finding that enemies are now making a beeline for Beast and stomp him into the ground immediately. Beast, BTW, is my party mage, and is of course the squishiest. They will go AROUND everyone else to turn him into paste. I've used more resurrection scrolls on him than everyone else combined. On one hand it's cool the AI is smart like that. on the other, it gets frustrating. Especially with enemies that teleport. I FUCKING HATE THAT And they get to swarm your mage without penalty, perchance? Run right through your frontline? Such bollocks turned me off these games. I remember in Baldurs Gate they would get heavy penalty, suffer bonus attack and in general it was not good idea to rush through armed men forming a line of defense.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 25, 2017 13:33:08 GMT
I FUCKING HATE THAT And they get to swarm your mage without penalty, perchance? Run right through your frontline? Such bollocks turned me off these games. I remember in Baldurs Gate they would get heavy penalty, suffer bonus attack and in general it was not good idea to rush through armed men forming a line of defense. You do get an attack of opportunity for your warriors, assuming you took the required feat. (I think it's a feat / talent)
And yeah, you just need to take that into account when it comes to positioning. Nether swap can swap your mage with say, your 2H warrior, so you can move your mage out of the way and smack the enemy in the face. The point is, there are ways to deal with that, even if you can't 100% prevent it.
Opportunist And it's hard to take positioning into account when you don't always know what kind or how many enemies you'll be facing. Or even what direction they're coming in. The Seven help you if they get to go first too. At this point, Sebille's making heavy use of the Scoundrel-type teleports and Ifan with Phoenix Dive to take the fight to the enemy early on to try and screen much squishier Beast. I'm also looking into ways to make Lohse more maneuverable as well, though sticking by Beast is still a good idea for her (she's the healer) Who'd have thought an RPG would ENCOURAGE going Leeeroy Jenkins!"??
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Post by linksocarina on Oct 25, 2017 13:37:37 GMT
Most have been mediocre. Some I got for free that I had to review, some quick sales from gog and steam that I always wanted to try. Only good one is something I reviewed months ago, a rpg strategy game called battle brothers. Really challenging, very thematic like The Black Company novel series come to life minus most of the magic. Good stuff. I saw it on steam, I was turned off by the graphics, I'll give it another look.
As I'm not familiar with the novels you mentioned, aside from challenge what would you say is good about this game? Also, I saw that it's a fantasy setting, is it low-fantasy?
The novels are about a mercenary company over a 40 year period, and it's a mix of dark fantasy with some high magic to it. Battle Brothers is very low-fantasy, basically Medieval Germany with zombies, orcs and monsters thrown in. You get no magic units and sometimes the mission types blur together, mostly because it is open-ended. You're basically in an open-world setting and decide which contracts to take. You can also go dungeon delving if you dare to as well, or attack caravans and nobles just for the hell of it. You basically decide how your band of mercs gets paid, because you need to keep getting paid to be successful. The thing that strikes me though was how personal it always was. You can hire a beggar and he might become one of the best units in your band, provided they survive long enough. Change around equipment options, face and hair colors, all of that, and one day they can be killed in an instant and you feel sad by it, or another they lop someone's head off and you feel triumphant. There is just enough in statistics to follow as well, with a decent amount of character builds to make based on level up, individualized stats. You even have sort of "end-game scenarios" such as full-scale war between noble houses or an orc invasion that can see your company achieve glory. For me, I liked the concept and setting, and the reason the challenge is mentioned is because it makes the game rewarding. You can start out with very little but by the end game it is built into a formidible fighting force, so long as you have the wherewithal to manage your resources such as food, medical supplies, and your gold. For some reason that appeals to me greatly here, compared to other strategy games I have been playing lately, like this one called Warbanners where it's a full on linear-style game in the vein of Fire Emblem, but without any of the characterization but heavy on the tactical options like Battle Brothers.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 25, 2017 13:58:32 GMT
And it's hard to take positioning into account when you don't always know what kind or how many enemies you'll be facing. Or even what direction they're coming in. The Seven help you if they get to go first too. Just abuse teleport my dude. Throw them back into your melee guys, or as far as possible from your casters, create deadly surfaces to make them take a longer route, etc. Oh, they will happily charge through fire and poison to get to my guys. Polymorph is handy, though once their shields are down.
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I did a second PT, speed run and finished it. I tried two choices and I've to say I'd go with the first choice; sacrifice. It spells prosperity and peace for all, I'll take that over Ifan's angry fit. Honestly, if he can't put down his rage / revenge and see that the elves do get a second chance, that the wars will stop, then it's rather pointless to stay in with him. That got Ifan mad as f*** at Sebille although I was puzzled; I thought I killed Lucine but I guess if he could still talk at the end, he isn't dead. Bah. I guess Sebille choosing to take on the mantle of the Mother Tree doesn't factor in either. The whole thing is puzzling to me. If she accepts the responsibility, doesn't that make her de facto leader of the elves? Or maybe I misunderstand the role of a MT. perhaps they're spiritual leaders. If so, what's the whole bloody point of accepting it? I enjoyed the game very much. I wish though they didn't put in that pop song for Lohse, it's so out of place. A pic. I like the feather headdress, I've never seen it before. I wish the body armor is more substantial though. Now that I really finish it, on to the next game. Aww, I love the artstyle in this game. Do they let you zoom in like that and zoom out in combat to increase your FOV, or do you stay always zoomed like this?
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Post by Iakus on Oct 25, 2017 14:19:07 GMT
I did a second PT, speed run and finished it. I tried two choices and I've to say I'd go with the first choice; sacrifice. It spells prosperity and peace for all, I'll take that over Ifan's angry fit. Honestly, if he can't put down his rage / revenge and see that the elves do get a second chance, that the wars will stop, then it's rather pointless to stay in with him. That got Ifan mad as f*** at Sebille although I was puzzled; I thought I killed Lucine but I guess if he could still talk at the end, he isn't dead. Bah. I guess Sebille choosing to take on the mantle of the Mother Tree doesn't factor in either. The whole thing is puzzling to me. If she accepts the responsibility, doesn't that make her de facto leader of the elves? Or maybe I misunderstand the role of a MT. perhaps they're spiritual leaders. If so, what's the whole bloody point of accepting it? I enjoyed the game very much. I wish though they didn't put in that pop song for Lohse, it's so out of place. A pic. I like the feather headdress, I've never seen it before. I wish the body armor is more substantial though. Now that I really finish it, on to the next game. Aww, I love the artstyle in this game. Do they let you zoom in like that and zoom out in combat to increase your FOV, or do you stay always zoomed like this? You can zoom in and out in the game. You can rotate the camera too. Pretty handy for viewing your surroundings.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Nov 2, 2017 10:20:38 GMT
This thread convinced me to buy the game. Thanks all. Now I need to get used to the controls.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 15, 2017 14:28:34 GMT
Finally finished my run. Dang, that was a LONG game!!! I must say that while I liked the choices at the end, I'm a little underwhelmed by the outcome. I chose to purge Source form the world. And while I'm glad Malady found a way to save the Sourcerers. I'm a little disappointed Lucien survived and ruled the world as "Divine" even though I defeated him in combat, and I believe the quest log even updated to say Ifan killed him.
Also, the endings don't take romances into consideration at all! I would have liked a slide showing Ifan and Lohse went off and made beautiful music together. Though by the end Sebille seemed convinced we'd slept together too...
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Post by Iakus on Nov 17, 2017 17:11:39 GMT
Finally finished my run. Dang, that was a LONG game!!! I must say that while I liked the choices at the end, I'm a little underwhelmed by the outcome. I chose to purge Source form the world. And while I'm glad Malady found a way to save the Sourcerers. I'm a little disappointed Lucien survived and ruled the world as "Divine" even though I defeated him in combat, and I believe the quest log even updated to say Ifan killed him.
Also, the endings don't take romances into consideration at all! I would have liked a slide showing Ifan and Lohse went off and made beautiful music together. Though by the end Sebille seemed convinced we'd slept together too... Personally, I think that:
Purging the source is the same as the "giving it to everyone" choice. There's no real difference, because then it's just another type of "technology" that's available to everyone. It would be practically indistinguishable from "regular" magic.
I feared that: Giving Source to everyone might allow more Voidwoken into the word. Perhaps even cause a full invasion by them. But if we patched up the hole, it could seal them away for good. OR at least until the next would-be vampire god comes along.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 2:26:43 GMT
I need to get at least a decent computer this winter, i have an itch for this series that's not even normal.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 13, 2017 22:57:25 GMT
*Tries to avoid looking at spoilers*
So, anyone hear anything about when and if there's going to be a console version? I want this game soooo bad, but I really have to wait for a port... From what I've seen it looks amazing and it drives me crazy that I can't play it!
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