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Post by smilesja on Apr 4, 2017 21:56:08 GMT
[ People would respect more if you didn't lash out at people who like the game and calling them fanboys snowflakes. Well, he wouldn't have the need if people wouldn't lash out at him in the first place. Of course, if you're offended at being called a fanboy when you are engaging in all of the behaviors of a fanboy... And it's usually people calling him out for calling other people snowflakes and other endless insults he keeps coming up with.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 4, 2017 21:57:51 GMT
@teddie Sage: I don't think it's useful to feign respect, but YMMV. Not sure what you're talking about but I honestly believe trying to respect people is better than throwing silly and immature insults all the time simply to provoke members of a board when you're really board with your own life and can't stop thinking about making every lives miserable because BioWare hasn't given them what they wanted. Instead of throwing tantrums at the company itself, they bring it all in this community and piss off some members who are just trying to discuss about the game and are looking forward the updates. People who like trolling and causing drama don't deserve my respect, so do the people trying to cover for them and pointing all the faults in my direction.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 4, 2017 22:00:25 GMT
I never looked at Cora's line as being snarky. More of being irritated and bracing herself since she's a little insecure of being biotic.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 4, 2017 22:10:12 GMT
@teddie Sage: I don't think it's useful to feign respect, but YMMV. Not sure what you're talking about but I honestly believe trying to respect people is better than throwing silly and immature insults all the time simply to provoke members of a board when you're really board with your own life and can't stop thinking about making every lives miserable because BioWare hasn't given them what they wanted. Instead of throwing tantrums at the company itself, they bring it all in this community and piss off some members who are just trying to discuss about the game and are looking forward the updates. People who like trolling and causing drama don't deserve my respect, so do the people trying to cover for them and pointing all the faults in my direction. You see, the manner in which you phrase your posts, is insulting. You carry a holier than thou attitude, almost like you're this Lord of the Forums - when in reality, you get easily offended by the slightest criticisms and don't know how to respond, so you bitch and moan to the mods, like a spoiled brat. Someone said it earlier - you need to grow up. I found Ashe's review a little off regarding the games dialogue and story mostly. It just reads like fanfiction to me that was written by amateurs. Losing Casey probably hurts the writing, as whoever is in charge now seems to have granted the writers a lot more leeway - they just need someone to trim the fat away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 22:15:21 GMT
You know... it would be almost funny if it wasn't so sad what some people consider to be constructive criticism They already have decent writers. Many of the writers who have written for MEA have also written for past BW titles that the people have enjoyed.Except that assumes that the reasons they enjoyed those games was because of those writers. Unless we're still saying that "My face is tired..." is a great line. It's not a great line, but neither is it representative of every line in the game (which is how some people are behaving). It's also not a terrible line. It's meaning can be discerned from the context; and it is also reasonable to think that, a few hundred years into our future, there will be different popular idioms from those in use today. Part of the goal of the game was to make things feel a little alien to people playing it, so using such idiosyncratic phrases could be part of that strategy. Also, people here though were very quick to pin the entire blame for the writing on Mac Walters, forgetting that it was Chris Schlerf who served as lead writer during most of the stage where the writing was actually being done and who is no longer with Bioware. Also, in a game this complex, I would defy anyone to say that they've even heard a fraction of all the possible lines in the game. Heck, I'm still triggering lines that I've never heard before in the ME Trilogy and I've now replayed each game more than 30 times each. Certainly, there are many improvements Bioware can make in their writing and in the different ways different situations trigger different selections of lines. The programmed sequencing (gating) and pacing of the story can certainly be improved upon as well, at least such that characters are not referencing future events. As for the actual topic of this particular thread... I think Lady Insanity's review of the game is very well done. She offers many constructive criticisms of the game, doesn't overly hype it or overly dis it, and she made some very though provoking points that I actually hadn't heard before in other reviews.
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Post by bakgrind on Apr 4, 2017 22:16:49 GMT
You know... it would be almost funny if it wasn't so sad what some people consider to be constructive criticism They already have decent writers. Many of the writers who have written for MEA have also written for past BW titles that the people have enjoyed.Except that assumes that the reasons they enjoyed those games was because of those writers. Unless we're still saying that "My face is tired..." is a great line. I think that line was misunderstood by the person whom wrote it. They really didn't understand the entirety of the quote and the meaning behind it. Either that or it some how got chopped in editing . As an example they should of written it like "My job is so much fun/Not fun that my face gets tired from all my laughing/crying"
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 4, 2017 22:19:44 GMT
We're talking specifically about writing and writers (and yes, I'm specifically talking about people enjoying work of those specific writers), so why are you suddenly deflecting to other things?Also - I gotta love that out of about 30 zillion lines you can only only choose one that everybody uses Can't find more?And as it happens, I have less problems with this line than others have. Why? Because if you listen to other dialogues with Addison, you'd know that when she's frustrated and fed up she stoops to clumsy poetry and she's embarrassed about it. Character quirk, yo. Well if a writer didn't write the line "My face is tired..." then I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be discussing it. However, a writer did write said line and they did preface it with "I'm sorry I'm being a bitch, my face is tired...". Despite the numerous setbacks the Nexus has faced before Ryder shows up, both Addison and Tann both come off as unnecessarily pissy/negative towards Ryder. The only reason that line became this famous isn't really the writing, but the perfect storm around it that has nothing to do with it - a camera closeup on a face that hasn't been animated aside from lipsync, which made for a funny moment of unintended hilarity. Other than that, it's just a quirky line or a character with a quirky habit, neither a peak of a writing craft, but also not one that is abysmal. Oh, so people in the midst of stressful situation and encountering weird crap everywhere have no reason to repeatedly express incredulity? Also - since when "coming off as dickish" constitutes "bad writing"? Cora is guarded and has a love/hate relationship with her biotics and being seen as freak by civilians, in case you didn't notice. She's also consistently quite stern or blunt, especially after the events at Habitat 7 as well as during stressful situations on the field. Her manner of speech and responses have been consistent with her characterization. Both examples you give me strike me as petty, not to mention desperate - like, you're not paying attention at all how characters are characterized and complain that a character who was meant to sound a bit dickish... sounded a bit dickish. Like what do you suggest - a character to use a "generic" snark, instead of something that is informed by her character or attitude towards a topic that is at least a bit sensitive for her? Huh... maybe you didn't notice that I said that "she stoops to clumsy poetry and is embarrassed about it". And she didn't mean "poetry" in terms of rhyming, but use of aesthetic or figurative speech or quirky descriptions of situations like "they disinfect - we're nothing to them until we're bacteria". Long and winding and kinda bizarre - like hey, my face is tired. A complete lack of attention to detail I see. The Angara being able to pick up a langue is explained by the existence of exiles and the fact that they've been either encountering and even cooperating with angara quite a while before Tempest arrived at Aya. Even if SAM/Milky Way translator hasn't been working yet, the Angaran one HAS. This is also why they knew that humans are aliens from another galaxy, btw. That's not bad writing - that's you being unable to put 2 + 2 together.
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Post by Lorn on Apr 4, 2017 23:36:56 GMT
I never looked at Cora's line as being snarky. More of being irritated and bracing herself since she's a little insecure of being biotic. Which given the usual treatment of biotics in the universe NOT being that way makes it even more of a questionable "character quirk". This isn't Dragon Age, biotics aren't discriminated against like mages are, there's no reason she should feel insecure about being a biotic. Well if a writer didn't write the line "My face is tired..." then I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be discussing it. However, a writer did write said line and they did preface it with "I'm sorry I'm being a bitch, my face is tired...". Despite the numerous setbacks the Nexus has faced before Ryder shows up, both Addison and Tann both come off as unnecessarily pissy/negative towards Ryder. The only reason that line became this famous isn't really the writing, but the perfect storm around it that has nothing to do with it - a camera closeup on a face that hasn't been animated aside from lipsync, which made for a funny moment of unintended hilarity. Other than that, it's just a quirky line or a character with a quirky habit, neither a peak of a writing craft, but also not one that is abysmal. Oh, so people in the midst of stressful situation and encountering weird crap everywhere have no reason to repeatedly express incredulity? Also - since when "coming off as dickish" constitutes "bad writing"? Cora is guarded and has a love/hate relationship with her biotics and being seen as freak by civilians, in case you didn't notice. She's also consistently quite stern or blunt, especially after the events at Habitat 7 as well as during stressful situations on the field. Her manner of speech and responses have been consistent with her characterization. Both examples you give me strike me as petty, not to mention desperate - like, you're not paying attention at all how characters are characterized and complain that a character who was meant to sound a bit dickish... sounded a bit dickish. Like what do you suggest - a character to use a "generic" snark, instead of something that is informed by her character or attitude towards a topic that is at least a bit sensitive for her? Huh... maybe you didn't notice that I said that "she stoops to clumsy poetry and is embarrassed about it". And she didn't mean "poetry" in terms of rhyming, but use of aesthetic or figurative speech or quirky descriptions of situations like "they disinfect - we're nothing to them until we're bacteria". Long and winding and kinda bizarre - like hey, my face is tired. A complete lack of attention to detail I see. The Angara being able to pick up a langue is explained by the existence of exiles and the fact that they've been either encountering and even cooperating with angara quite a while before Tempest arrived at Aya. Even if SAM/Milky Way translator hasn't been working yet, the Angaran one HAS. This is also why they knew that humans are aliens from another galaxy, btw.That's not bad writing - that's you being unable to put 2 + 2 together. The line became infamous because of the lack of animation, as well as the line itself. I recall numerous posts on this board about how it is an uncommon phrase, and how it doesn't fit with the rest of her statements. Her "quirky habit" isn't "quirky" if she doesn't actually do poetry. It can't be "clumsy poetry" if it isn't poetry in the first place! Or perhaps you would prefer this definition: Cora on the other hand is written as if she were a Dragon Age mage, as I mentioned above. She gives little to no explanation on why she was "shunned" by others for her "biotic prowess". Never mind that the other extremely strong biotics in the series, Jack and Miranda, seem to lack this same "dislike" for their powers. In fact, if we go back to lore established in the original trilogy (through Kaiden and Jack specifically), we can see that people that are powerful biotics are seen as "valuable", they're treated as extremely valuable and useful weapons.Hell, before we even met Jack it was established (through Kaiden) that the Alliance purposefully exposed pregnant citizens to dangerous levels of Element Zero in order to create powerful biotics. Cora's "characterization" is inconsistent with the lore already established, which is why her character is poorly "characterized". It also doesn't help that the writers have apparently retconned the need for a special implant allowing humans to be able to use biotics in the first place, which would have solved all of Cora's problems by having it removed. Yes, that's exactly why the Anagaran's decide to use their own language to hail the Tempest. That's exactly why most Angarans act as if Ryder is the first human they've seen. Of course, the Angaran's also use translators to talk to each other even though they're the only species that is native to the Heleus Cluster. The Kett also use translators as well, because they need to be able to converse with the species that they decide to purge. This deus ex machina of a translator that somehow instantly translates all languages unless the writers deem otherwise is a case of weak writing. Of course, going by your logic I'm just a retard that can't figure "obvious" things out. How dare I actually use logic to defend my points!
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Post by Addictress on Apr 4, 2017 23:44:39 GMT
I played the game - it's awful, then checked reviews, they agreed. Do you even play the game? You post on here 24/7. I'd think you'd be engrossed in your second playthrough of this engrossing masterpiece. Ouch... such argumentation is a double-edged sword. I mean... if the game is so awful, what are you doing wasting your time on forum or specifically targeting threads full of people who have enjoyed the game, instead of using your time on something more productive? I mean, at least people who enjoy it enough come here to discuss a variety of topics related to it. That's sort of what this place is for - many people want to take their time to talk about their experiences or share their views before they play the game again... in case this isn't obvious I wish I could become a triple-A dev, but it's a lottery to do so. You need to either be an extremely talented artist (which I'm never going to be) or a programmer who can sink 5-10 years into being a code monkey until you're given higher-level coding jobs, and I can't be an over-worked and underpaid code monkey if I want to retire or afford rent at this point in my life. The truth is, for a variety of reasons, some of us aren't able to do anything about these games. These triple-A games are a monopoly on our entertainment because they are so rare and so difficult to make. So many variables - production money, and talent, and timing, and politics - have to come together to produce just one game. And that game becomes a singular form of escape for so many lowly peasants, for years on end. We peasants are at the mercy of these games. Each game is a unique portal to another world. Because we are at their mercy, we become desperate and ravenous, and writhe at the cruelty of the scarcity of such games.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 4, 2017 23:47:25 GMT
So that's why negative posters come back to these forums again and again and talk about these criticism points like a broken record. It's all they can do, like trapped prisoners banging on the walls - flesh hands on stone
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Post by Lorn on Apr 4, 2017 23:48:46 GMT
So that's why negative posters come back to these forums again and again and talk about these criticism points like a broken record. It's all they can do, like trapped prisoners banging on the walls - flesh hands on stone Shall I return to Off Topic so I stop offending your sensibilities?
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Post by Addictress on Apr 4, 2017 23:52:18 GMT
So that's why negative posters come back to these forums again and again and talk about these criticism points like a broken record. It's all they can do, like trapped prisoners banging on the walls - flesh hands on stone Shall I return to Off Topic so I stop offending your sensibilities? Are you saying you're one of the negative posters? Because I'm one of the negative posters. I'm describing where we're coming from.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 4, 2017 23:55:25 GMT
I never looked at Cora's line as being snarky. More of being irritated and bracing herself since she's a little insecure of being biotic. Which given the usual treatment of biotics in the universe NOT being that way makes it even more of a questionable "character quirk". This isn't Dragon Age, biotics aren't discriminated against like mages are, there's no reason she should feel insecure about being a biotic. The military sees value in biotics among civilians however they're aren't as treated as well compared to the other species.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 4, 2017 23:58:01 GMT
Not sure what you're talking about but I honestly believe trying to respect people is better than throwing silly and immature insults all the time simply to provoke members of a board when you're really board with your own life and can't stop thinking about making every lives miserable because BioWare hasn't given them what they wanted. Instead of throwing tantrums at the company itself, they bring it all in this community and piss off some members who are just trying to discuss about the game and are looking forward the updates. People who like trolling and causing drama don't deserve my respect, so do the people trying to cover for them and pointing all the faults in my direction. You see, the manner in which you phrase your posts, is insulting. You carry a holier than thou attitude, almost like you're this Lord of the Forums - when in reality, you get easily offended by the slightest criticisms and don't know how to respond, so you bitch and moan to the mods, like a spoiled brat. Someone said it earlier - you need to grow up. Considering you insult people who even expresses a favorable opinion of the game it's funny how you say that he needs to grow up.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 4, 2017 23:58:23 GMT
I'm good with 'negative' posters as long as they don't insult each other and comprehend we all got different tastes when it comes video games. Most of the ME:A supporters are quite capable of see its flaws and still support BioWare, just the way DA2 supporters were capable of seeing its flaws and still support the company they love and cherish. There's no need of taking out the rage on the users of this BSN since the developers don't come here. I see a lot of anger misdirected to the wrong people and it pains me as a fan of these franchises. Our fanbase is quite divisive on a lot of things, still... It's annoying and exhausting trying to have some decent conversations on BioWare fan forums without headbutting occasionally with an angry mob of discontent customers. No wonder BioWare decided to abandon their boards.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 5, 2017 0:00:34 GMT
So that's why negative posters come back to these forums again and again and talk about these criticism points like a broken record. It's all they can do, like trapped prisoners banging on the walls - flesh hands on stone Shall I return to Off Topic so I stop offending your sensibilities? You must return to the Off Topic section as it is the only safe quarantine for your mind control ju-jitsu
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Post by Lorn on Apr 5, 2017 0:18:09 GMT
Shall I return to Off Topic so I stop offending your sensibilities? Are you saying you're one of the negative posters?Because I'm one of the negative posters. I'm describing where we're coming from. According to the "positive" people here, yes. Of course, they'd rather silence the "toxic posters" through reports or the ignore function, as well as insulting their intelligence and claiming that they aren't "legitimate issues/posters". Which given the usual treatment of biotics in the universe NOT being that way makes it even more of a questionable "character quirk". This isn't Dragon Age, biotics aren't discriminated against like mages are, there's no reason she should feel insecure about being a biotic.
The military sees value in biotics among civilians however they're aren't as treated as well compared to the other species.And this was established by who exactly? Certainly not Kaiden nor any of the other human biotics Shepard met in the original trilogy. Cora's the first person where this ever became an issue, and she has more than enough other issues to cause her personality that are not because "people suddenly hate biotics".
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Post by smilesja on Apr 5, 2017 0:18:20 GMT
Shall I return to Off Topic so I stop offending your sensibilities? You must return to the Off Topic section as it is the only safe quarantine for your mind control ju-jitsu Especially in the politics thread!
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Post by smilesja on Apr 5, 2017 0:27:48 GMT
Are you saying you're one of the negative posters?Because I'm one of the negative posters. I'm describing where we're coming from. According to the "positive" people here, yes. Of course, they'd rather silence the "toxic posters" through reports or the ignore function, as well as insulting their intelligence and claiming that they aren't "legitimate issues/posters". The military sees value in biotics among civilians however they're aren't as treated as well compared to the other species. And this was established by who exactly? Certainly not Kaiden nor any of the other human biotics Shepard met in the original trilogy. Cora's the first person where this ever became an issue, and she has more than enough other issues to cause her personality that are not because "people suddenly hate biotics". As stated people have no problem with others with a differing (or even a negative opinion) it's just that some people feel the need to not only thrash the game, but people who like it constantly. That's why the "positive" people are reporting or even considering using the ignore function. As for the biotic statement: According to the Mass Effect wiki, human biotics were often faced with prejudice due to misunderstandings of what biotics could do. The Alliance however sees them as valuable assets and seeks them out. I do remember in the first game there were a couple of side missions dealing with biotic terrorists kidnapping a politician due to him passing a law for biotics to get L2 implants. So there were a couple of rifts between biotics and regular humans.
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Post by Lorn on Apr 5, 2017 0:33:55 GMT
According to the "positive" people here, yes. Of course, they'd rather silence the "toxic posters" through reports or the ignore function, as well as insulting their intelligence and claiming that they aren't "legitimate issues/posters". And this was established by who exactly? Certainly not Kaiden nor any of the other human biotics Shepard met in the original trilogy. Cora's the first person where this ever became an issue, and she has more than enough other issues to cause her personality that are not because "people suddenly hate biotics". As stated people have no problem with others with a differing (or even a negative opinion) it's just that some people feel the need to not only thrash the game, but people who like it constantly. That's why the "positive" people are reporting or even considering using the ignore function.
As for the biotic statement: According to the Mass Effect wiki, human biotics were often faced with prejudice due to misunderstandings of what biotics could do. The Alliance however sees them as valuable assets and seeks them out. I do remember in the first game there were a couple of side missions dealing with biotic terrorists kidnapping a politician due to him passing a law for biotics to get L2 implants. So there were a couple of rifts between biotics and regular humans. They lose all credibility when they start saying (and supporting) that all of the "haters" are all "new users" that have never played the game and just want to be "cool". Which doesn't even mention the insults to intelligence that they give to the people that are criticizing the game, case in point midnight tea's response to me. Except Cora wasn't a civilian, she was a member of the Systems Alliance Navy for quite some time before she was "transferred" to an Asari huntress unit. Of course, there she was mistreated for being human and not an Asari, but that has absolutely nothing to do with her "prowess" as a biotic.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 5, 2017 0:47:43 GMT
As stated people have no problem with others with a differing (or even a negative opinion) it's just that some people feel the need to not only thrash the game, but people who like it constantly. That's why the "positive" people are reporting or even considering using the ignore function.
As for the biotic statement: According to the Mass Effect wiki, human biotics were often faced with prejudice due to misunderstandings of what biotics could do. The Alliance however sees them as valuable assets and seeks them out. I do remember in the first game there were a couple of side missions dealing with biotic terrorists kidnapping a politician due to him passing a law for biotics to get L2 implants. So there were a couple of rifts between biotics and regular humans. They lose all credibility when they start saying (and supporting) that all of the "haters" are all "new users" that have never played the game and just want to be "cool". Which doesn't even mention the insults to intelligence that they give to the people that are criticizing the game, case in point midnight tea's response to me. Except Cora wasn't a civilian, she was a member of the Systems Alliance Navy for quite some time before she was "transferred" to an Asari huntress unit. Of course, there she was mistreated for being human and not an Asari, but that has absolutely nothing to do with her "prowess" as a biotic. Of course it's extreme, but I did observe some new users just ripping the game and its fans apart. So it's not too far off, that being said the detractors also need to cool it with the "bio-drones", "snowflakes" and "tumblrinas" that combined with what the "positive" fans are doing is creating a toxic environment where it's hard to even discuss the game now. Cora was Alliance sure, but she was also a civilian at one point and when her biotics were developing I'm pretty sure she faced some prejudice and fear among her peers. She probably found respect in the Alliance and when she was an Asari Huntress, but I'm sure pre-Alliance time wasn't filled with happiness (not far in the game but I can presume.)
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[ People would respect more if you didn't lash out at people who like the game and calling them fanboys snowflakes. Well, he wouldn't have the need if people wouldn't lash out at him in the first place. Of course, if you're offended at being called a fanboy when you are engaging in all of the behaviors of a fanboy... We're talking specifically about writing and writers (and yes, I'm specifically talking about people enjoying work of those specific writers), so why are you suddenly deflecting to other things?Also - I gotta love that out of about 30 zillion lines you can only only choose one that everybody uses Can't find more?And as it happens, I have less problems with this line than others have. Why? Because if you listen to other dialogues with Addison, you'd know that when she's frustrated and fed up she stoops to clumsy poetry and she's embarrassed about it. Character quirk, yo. Well if a writer didn't write the line "My face is tired..." then I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be discussing it. However, a writer did write said line and they did preface it with "I'm sorry I'm being a bitch, my face is tired...". Despite the numerous setbacks the Nexus has faced before Ryder shows up, both Addison and Tann both come off as unnecessarily pissy/negative towards Ryder. Fine, let's discuss Cora's lines on Habitat 7: Despite seeing the floating rocks at the same time as Liam first comments on it in the shuttles (not to mention heard it since the comms system seems to allow everyone to hear everything) she still expresses incredulity at seeing them when Ryder links up with the other shuttle. Following Cora's biotic shield, Liam says "I didn't know you were a biotic!" upon which Cora states "Don't worry, it's not contagious". Which while the line was meant to be "snarky" it comes off as being dickish instead. Returning to Addison, her repeated statements of "poetry" are hilarious as nothing she says even comes close to being poetry. She's about as poetic as the entirety of this post, and any claims she makes are insulting to the audience at best. At worst, it's just further indication that whoever wrote her needs to reevaluate their career choice. Moving off of everyone's favorite tired face queen, we have first contact with the Angarans. At first neither side could understand each other, but the moment Ryder walks off the Tempest suddenly everyone is communicating flawlessly. Neither side attempted to even learn each others languages, or even come up with other ways to attempt to communicate. We didn't even get a deus ex machina of SAM saying "Oh hey, I already translated their language, this is what they're saying", just straight to the full understanding. Do I need to go on? Following up to Midnight Tea's rather brilliant response... I had assumed that when the Angara 'scanned' Ryder they then learned the ability to speak English. Sure its bull shit but its the same kind of bull shit that sci fi has been doing since the inception of Sci Fi. Hyper advanced technologies able to decipher languages very quickly so we don't have to write and entirely new language every time the Enterprise meets a new alien. Which happened...a lot....in that particular show. It would have been a lot of wasted effort. But Tea's explanation is also a lot more solid. And I would hardly call the communication between the Pathfinder/ aliens from the milkway and the Angarra as 'flawless'. Have you noticed how Jaal speaks? How he is constantly pausing and making a lot of 'hmm' noises? That is likely him trying to feel out the language. Not to mention the constant references to cultural and language barriers that he runs into while out in the field and as part of the Tempest.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 5, 2017 1:50:22 GMT
Well, he wouldn't have the need if people wouldn't lash out at him in the first place. Of course, if you're offended at being called a fanboy when you are engaging in all of the behaviors of a fanboy... Well if a writer didn't write the line "My face is tired..." then I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be discussing it. However, a writer did write said line and they did preface it with "I'm sorry I'm being a bitch, my face is tired...". Despite the numerous setbacks the Nexus has faced before Ryder shows up, both Addison and Tann both come off as unnecessarily pissy/negative towards Ryder. Fine, let's discuss Cora's lines on Habitat 7: Despite seeing the floating rocks at the same time as Liam first comments on it in the shuttles (not to mention heard it since the comms system seems to allow everyone to hear everything) she still expresses incredulity at seeing them when Ryder links up with the other shuttle. Following Cora's biotic shield, Liam says "I didn't know you were a biotic!" upon which Cora states "Don't worry, it's not contagious". Which while the line was meant to be "snarky" it comes off as being dickish instead. Returning to Addison, her repeated statements of "poetry" are hilarious as nothing she says even comes close to being poetry. She's about as poetic as the entirety of this post, and any claims she makes are insulting to the audience at best. At worst, it's just further indication that whoever wrote her needs to reevaluate their career choice. Moving off of everyone's favorite tired face queen, we have first contact with the Angarans. At first neither side could understand each other, but the moment Ryder walks off the Tempest suddenly everyone is communicating flawlessly. Neither side attempted to even learn each others languages, or even come up with other ways to attempt to communicate. We didn't even get a deus ex machina of SAM saying "Oh hey, I already translated their language, this is what they're saying", just straight to the full understanding. Do I need to go on? Following up to Midnight Tea's rather brilliant response... I had assumed that when the Angara 'scanned' Ryder they then learned the ability to speak English. Sure its bull shit but its the same kind of bull shit that sci fi has been doing since the inception of Sci Fi. Hyper advanced technologies able to decipher languages very quickly so we don't have to write and entirely new language every time the Enterprise meets a new alien. Which happened...a lot....in that particular show. It would have been a lot of wasted effort. But Tea's explanation is also a lot more solid. And I would hardly call the communication between the Pathfinder/ aliens from the milkway and the Angarra as 'flawless'. Have you noticed how Jaal speaks? How he is constantly pausing and making a lot of 'hmm' noises? That is likely him trying to feel out the language. Not to mention the constant references to cultural and language barriers that he runs into while out in the field and as part of the Tempest. It's also incredibly lazy and unfortunate to throw away the potential for a first-contact element to the main plot. Instead, we go straight to shooting the aliens - who just happen to be bipedal, and use assault rifles. Andromeda feels like just another cluster in the milky-way. I'm really disappointed at how generic it is.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 5, 2017 1:53:23 GMT
Following up to Midnight Tea's rather brilliant response... I had assumed that when the Angara 'scanned' Ryder they then learned the ability to speak English. Sure its bull shit but its the same kind of bull shit that sci fi has been doing since the inception of Sci Fi. Hyper advanced technologies able to decipher languages very quickly so we don't have to write and entirely new language every time the Enterprise meets a new alien. Which happened...a lot....in that particular show. It would have been a lot of wasted effort. But Tea's explanation is also a lot more solid. And I would hardly call the communication between the Pathfinder/ aliens from the milkway and the Angarra as 'flawless'. Have you noticed how Jaal speaks? How he is constantly pausing and making a lot of 'hmm' noises? That is likely him trying to feel out the language. Not to mention the constant references to cultural and language barriers that he runs into while out in the field and as part of the Tempest. It's also incredibly lazy and unfortunate to throw away the potential for a first-contact element to the main plot. Instead, we go straight to shooting the aliens - who just happen to be bipedal, and use assault rifles. Andromeda feels like just another cluster in the milky-way. I'm really disappointed at how generic it is. Again what do you expect? I mean I think one of the disconnects is between the people who like the game and the people who do not is a lot of people are trying to hold the game to standards that the vast majority of sci fi, gaming, or to some regards all of fiction don't hold. Sure, there are movies like Arrival which delve into the topic with apparently a lot of grace (I have yet to see it) but not every work of fiction could be, or should be, like that.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 5, 2017 3:02:57 GMT
It's also incredibly lazy and unfortunate to throw away the potential for a first-contact element to the main plot. Instead, we go straight to shooting the aliens - who just happen to be bipedal, and use assault rifles. Andromeda feels like just another cluster in the milky-way. I'm really disappointed at how generic it is. "Lazy" is not a sensible way to frame this issue. I mean, yeah, what you're asking for would be a big resource sink, so in that sense they saved effort by not doing what you wanted. But they didn't have time to do the design they had right, let alone the far more ambitious design you're asking for. I suppose your idea could be made to work within the existing resources, but the way to do it would be to cut out all the stuff that makes ME:A a Mass Effect game. If we cut out all that pesky combat and the other MW species, for instance.[
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