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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:49:04 GMT
It's all hard to say. All we know is none of this stuff existed 600 years ago. Weird shit went down during the trip. Yea this is why we need a timeline. I have no idea how old the Angara are and when the Jaardan created them. Its reasonable to say the Jaardan had a presence in the rest of the galaxy so I wonder if they are in hiding or are wiped out by whatever created the scurge assuming it wasn't them. We get a rough idea on Habitat 7. Ryder implies it might have been 400 years ago when this stuff appeared if I recall correctly.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 4, 2017 0:49:21 GMT
Reapers, as far as we know, weren't capable of long, deep space travel. They still needed Mass Relays to move about the Milky Way in a reasonable fashion. We don't know exactly how far they went into dark space. That being said, Andromeda isn't the closest galaxy to the Milky Way either, so it's unlikely. Given the Catalyst's focus was entirely on maintaining order and stability in the Milky Way, I doubt it ever had any intention of exerting its warped cycle system of "preservation" on other species outside the Milky Way. Not to mention, I get the sense that the Scourge would likely rip through Reaper technology. We honestly don't know enough about the Jardaan to know if they are still alive, if they are capable of intergalactic travel, and whether they are friendly or hostile. I'm under the impression the Jardaan created the Scourge. Perhaps the Scourge is the Jardaan's version of the Reaper solution in order to keep their own technology in check? Perhaps it's another situation of something gone wrong much like the Leviathan with the Catalyst. Who knows? Welcome to the unofficial BSN, by the way. They did not seem to have too much of a problem making the journey from dark space to Batarian space and they took the long way and it only took them what about six months from the Arrival DLC and all this without a single mass relay.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:50:23 GMT
Also we can assume the Angara aren't the first race they created so maybe the Kett really were on a mission to rid the galaxy of their creations until the AI showed up?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:51:10 GMT
Yea this is why we need a timeline. I have no idea how old the Angara are and when the Jaardan created them. Its reasonable to say the Jaardan had a presence in the rest of the galaxy so I wonder if they are in hiding or are wiped out by whatever created the scurge assuming it wasn't them. We get a rough idea on Habitat 7. Ryder implies it might have been 400 years ago when this stuff appeared if I recall correctly. Not when the scurge appeared but when the Angara were made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:52:51 GMT
We get a rough idea on Habitat 7. Ryder implies it might have been 400 years ago when this stuff appeared if I recall correctly. Not when the scurge appeared but when the Angara were made. Oh I was talking about the vaults and Remnants. We know the reincarnated Angara remembers the missing 3rd monolith that works the vault, so that still connects to the vault timeline.
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Post by allysoo on Apr 4, 2017 0:52:59 GMT
It's all hard to say. All we know is none of this stuff existed 600 years ago. Weird shit went down during the trip. Yea this is why we need a timeline. I have no idea how old the Angara are and when the Jaardan created them. Its reasonable to say the Jaardan had a presence in the rest of the galaxy so I wonder if they are in hiding or are wiped out by whatever created the scurge assuming it wasn't them. Reading these replies just reminds me of all the ideas that were used in the original Trilogy Leviathan race being (almost) wiped out by their created etc. I hope Bioware do something awesome with what they have set up with Andromeda and not just rehash what they've done with the Trilogy! Because these Ideas are awesome from you guys!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:54:14 GMT
Not when the scurge appeared but when the Angara were made. Oh I was talking about the vaults and Remnants. We know the reincarnated Angara remembers the missing 3rd monolith that works the vault, so that still connects to the vault timeline. I know but I want hard numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:54:58 GMT
Oh I was talking about the vaults and Remnants. We know the reincarnated Angara remembers the missing 3rd monolith that works the vault, so that still connects to the vault timeline. I know but I want hard numbers. I don't think we get any in this game sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:55:22 GMT
Yea this is why we need a timeline. I have no idea how old the Angara are and when the Jaardan created them. Its reasonable to say the Jaardan had a presence in the rest of the galaxy so I wonder if they are in hiding or are wiped out by whatever created the scurge assuming it wasn't them. Reading these replies just reminds me of all the ideas that were used in the original Trilogy Leviathan race being (almost) wiped out by their created etc. I hope Bioware do something awesome with what they have set up with Andromeda and not just rehash what they've done with the Trilogy! Because these Ideas are awesome from you guys! Haha thanks, they have a lot of material to work with. I think once we expand into the rest of the galaxy things will start getting interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:55:44 GMT
I know but I want hard numbers. I don't think we get any in this game sadly. I know haha, I have to hope for DLC or wait until the next one.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 4, 2017 0:56:05 GMT
The Kett are an empire ruled by a senate and have exalted over a thousand species. That sounds really unlikely. It's all hard to say. All we know is none of this stuff existed 600 years ago. Weird shit went down during the trip. In Heleus. We have no mention of the rest of the Galaxy. The Kett appear to be younger than the remnant but they aren't a newly formed empire and there were no reapers to stop this "Senate" with a thousand species. They only arrived 75 years ago in Heleus along with the scourge. Seems like the Kett are systematically conquering each system and habe been for some time and the reasons have nothing to do with remnant.
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Post by allysoo on Apr 4, 2017 0:56:46 GMT
True, in the game you only really find out what the Archon's intentions are...and the other high ranking member of the Kett (Can't remember her name!) doesn't like the way he's doing things! He was obsessed with Remnant technology...something that the other didn't really care about. Yes, they were supposed to be exalting the races and not running around trying to unlock the remnant tech. So I'm guessing the Archon went away from what the Kett Senate wanted to achieve, I know it's exaltation that they want, but there must be more to it than just that? The Senate must know about the Jaardan for the Archon to be so consumed with the need for rem-tech and it's use. An extremist in the Kett maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:57:28 GMT
It's all hard to say. All we know is none of this stuff existed 600 years ago. Weird shit went down during the trip. In Heleus. We have no mention of the rest of the Galaxy. The Kett appear to be younger than the remnant but they aren't a newly formed empire and there were no reapers to stop this "Senate" with a thousand species. They only arrived 75 years ago in Heleus along with the scourge. Seems like the Kett are systematically conquering each system and habe been for some time and the reasons have nothing to do with remnant. Yeah that's a good point. We are only in one cluster and I remember Drack asking Jaal if his people might be hiding somewhere on other worlds away from the Scourge, and Jaal got defensive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 0:58:37 GMT
It's all hard to say. All we know is none of this stuff existed 600 years ago. Weird shit went down during the trip. In Heleus. We have no mention of the rest of the Galaxy. The Kett appear to be younger than the remnant but they aren't a newly formed empire and there were no reapers to stop this "Senate" with a thousand species. They only arrived 75 years ago in Heleus along with the scourge. Seems like the Kett are systematically conquering each system and habe been for some time and the reasons have nothing to do with remnant. You are correct. It seems they have been steamrolling the other races so I wonder how the Empire is going to handle news about these aliens from another galaxy.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 4, 2017 0:59:37 GMT
Yes, they were supposed to be exalting the races and not running around trying to unlock the remnant tech. So I'm guessing the Archon went away from what the Kett Senate wanted to achieve, I know it's exaltation that they want, but there must be more to it than just that? The Senate must know about the Jaardan for the Archon to be so consumed with the need for rem-tech and it's use. An extremist in the Kett maybe? The Archon sees it as a way to easily exhalt the Heleus cluster. Submit or he'll burn every world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 1:00:05 GMT
Yes, they were supposed to be exalting the races and not running around trying to unlock the remnant tech. So I'm guessing the Archon went away from what the Kett Senate wanted to achieve, I know it's exaltation that they want, but there must be more to it than just that? The Senate must know about the Jaardan for the Archon to be so consumed with the need for rem-tech and it's use. An extremist in the Kett maybe? I think the Archon was just a fanatic. The other Kett leaders in the cluster didn't agree with him obsessing over the remnant so much. I think their sole purpose is to exalte.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 1:01:25 GMT
So I'm guessing the Archon went away from what the Kett Senate wanted to achieve, I know it's exaltation that they want, but there must be more to it than just that? The Senate must know about the Jaardan for the Archon to be so consumed with the need for rem-tech and it's use. An extremist in the Kett maybe? The Archon sees it as a way to easily exhalt the Heleus cluster. Submit or he'll burn every world. Exactly, although if he kills everyone because they didn't submit he would have failed in his task.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 4, 2017 7:56:53 GMT
I'm given to understand that, given what we know about Reaper movement speed, in theory they could have traveled between the Milky Way and Andromeda Galaxy in roughly 230-250 years. So far the best and most reasonable explanation I've seen as for why they didn't is that the Catalysts' preview was the Milky Way and it never thought outside that programming. As for why the leviathans never ventured out of the Milky Way, they really didn't need to; the Milky Way is huge beyond the human brain's ability to properly comprehend.
So with that in mind, I'm going to guess "probably not".
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Post by Kaibe on Apr 4, 2017 8:01:32 GMT
I really need to get reading these threads...hmmm if the Kett were also experiments of the Jaardan would that mean they knew of their creators? And their purpose? We don't learn much about the Kett besides the Archon in this game. We do know that the Angara who are turned into Kett remember being Angara though. Not doubting you, but do you remember where this was revealed?
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 4, 2017 8:08:28 GMT
The Moshae will tell you about how while she was in the base she had a conversation with a kett guard who remembered their life as an angara. I got the conversation while she was on the Tempest but after she had moved from the medbay into the crew's quarters.
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Post by rapscallioness on Apr 4, 2017 8:59:28 GMT
There was also another little note...somewhere that was a Kett asking to be healed because the world they were on, I forget which one, was bringing back memories of a time when this Kett was ab Angaran. They remembered being a musician. People smiling and a warm room. They said it hurt being on that world..because they were remembering this stuff.
Also, that one crazy AI we met, the one that lied all the time? Wasn't it made of Angaran tech? Iirc, it was ancient Angaran tech. So basically, the Angaran were pretty advanced and all that, then the Scourge came. After that they were trying to rebuild, then the Kett showed up about 80 years ago. Strange AI. And what actually was the purpose of that facility?
The Scourge may indeed be an accident unleashed by the Jaardan, or the Angaran might have accidentally messed with something that belonged to the Jaardan that they had no business messing with and Pandora's box was open. Or it was a weapon unleashed by the Jaardan against an enemy so intense that a Scorched Earth approach was necessary. Perhaps they were even afraid of their tech getting into the wrong hands so they did a purge. The Scourge's number one attribute that we know of is that it wrecks most technology. I could have used the Scourge back in ME3 to wreck those Reapers.
Well, I guess that's what the Crucible did. Wait, where did the Crucible come from again? How old was it? Millions. Billions years old. No, maybe millions. I just remember that it was continuously passed down and added onto until it was finally completed in Shep's time
If it was a weapon used by the Jaardan against some mysterious powerful enemy, you would think the Jaardan would have returned sooner to see if the enemy was gone, survey the damage and start the rebuilding. Yet its all still abandoned. Except for their little guard dogs of Rem tech left protecting these p;aces. They remind me of left over mine fields after a war.
Did we come across any little accounts from the Jaardan? I thought there was something. Now that I think about it, the Jaardan do all thsi to create and est. habitable environments for the Angaran only to bail when the Scourge shows up. They abandoned them. Or the Jaardan all died. Oorr..there was some kind of rebellion from the Angaran, and the Jaardan were some type of AI themselves or had alot of tech in them. And Angaran used this weapon to rid themselves of the Jaardan...?
The Angaran have no memories of their past. Except that they were once great inventors and scientists. They have the Yevarra on Voeld whose singing is said to be able to coax the Sun out. Yet they are trapped beneath the ice..
This story has alot of potential. I need more info.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 4, 2017 9:17:00 GMT
There was also another little note...somewhere that was a Kett asking to be healed because the world they were on, I forget which one, was bringing back memories of a time when this Kett was ab Angaran. They remembered being a musician. People smiling and a warm room. They said it hurt being on that world..because they were remembering this stuff. Also, that one crazy AI we met, the one that lied all the time? Wasn't it made of Angaran tech? Iirc, it was ancient Angaran tech. So basically, the Angaran were pretty advanced and all that, then the Scourge came. After that they were trying to rebuild, then the Kett showed up about 80 years ago. Strange AI. And what actually was the purpose of that facility? The Scourge may indeed be an accident unleashed by the Jaardan, or the Angaran might have accidentally messed with something that belonged to the Jaardan that they had no business messing with and Pandora's box was open. Or it was a weapon unleashed by the Jaardan against an enemy so intense that a Scorched Earth approach was necessary. Perhaps they were even afraid of their tech getting into the wrong hands so they did a purge. The Scourge's number one attribute that we know of is that it wrecks most technology. I could have used the Scourge back in ME3 to wreck those Reapers. Well, I guess that's what the Crucible did. Wait, where did the Crucible come from again? How old was it? Millions. Billions years old. No, maybe millions. I just remember that it was continuously passed down and added onto until it was finally completed in Shep's time If it was a weapon used by the Jaardan against some mysterious powerful enemy, you would think the Jaardan would have returned sooner to see if the enemy was gone, survey the damage and start the rebuilding. Yet its all still abandoned. Except for their little guard dogs of Rem tech left protecting these p;aces. They remind me of left over mine fields after a war. Did we come across any little accounts from the Jaardan? I thought there was something. Now that I think about it, the Jaardan do all thsi to create and est. habitable environments for the Angaran only to bail when the Scourge shows up. They abandoned them. Or the Jaardan all died. Oorr..there was some kind of rebellion from the Angaran, and the Jaardan were some type of AI themselves or had alot of tech in them. And Angaran used this weapon to rid themselves of the Jaardan...? The Angaran have no memories of their past. Except that they were once great inventors and scientists. They have the Yevarra on Voeld whose singing is said to be able to coax the Sun out. Yet they are trapped beneath the ice.. This story has alot of potential. I need more info. The Jardaan said that their enemy unleashed the Scourge on them. It seeks out Remnant tech specifically theres a downed ship with an Angaran helmet that had remnant tech in it. So the scourge attacked his helmet. The thing that gets me is the Scourges "Touch" seems to be a euphoric experience. Described by the Turian Pathfinder and the crashed pilot. But.... Where did their enemy go?
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Post by Yaslana on Apr 4, 2017 9:30:38 GMT
It's all hard to say. All we know is none of this stuff existed 600 years ago. Weird shit went down during the trip. Yea this is why we need a timeline. I have no idea how old the Angara are and when the Jaardan created them. Its reasonable to say the Jaardan had a presence in the rest of the galaxy so I wonder if they are in hiding or are wiped out by whatever created the scurge assuming it wasn't them. Regarding the timeline - somehow things don't fit together: Edit! I found some more information in the Codex. The Angara were created around 1600 CE. The AI launched 2185 CE. The Scourge struck around 2400 CE. (According to the Codex, the Scourge weapon was detonated at the Remnant space station Khi Tasira, and instantaneously cause a cluster wide warping of space time.) At 2497 the Hyperions sensor array malfunctioned. It was mot repaired. (Maybe some effect from the scourge?) The Kett came into Helius about 75 years ago, that would be around 2744. We now have the year 2819. The Angara already had space flight, and about 5? colonies. The remnant buildings were there, and the Angara learned a lot of their stuff, like we did from the Protheans. But the Jaardan were not there. At least the Angara don't remember that there were Jaardan. But if I interpret the stuff from the Meridian missions right, the Remnant hid the Meridian planet and left Helius because of the unknown enemy and the Scourge (which appeared 300 years ago). So, at the time the Angara developed spaceflight, (pre Scourge) the Remnant were still there? If they had colonies, spaceflight, knowledge about the existence of Remtech, I doubt they would NOT know about the Jaardan. Follow up thought! The Angara pre Scourge helmet we find on Havarl. When talking to the curator, Ryder says something along the line "Maybe there was Remtech in the helmet, or inside the Angaran pilot." Now - imagine it be something like Sam, implants or something. Maybe all the adults had remtech in them. The Scourge would kill all the adults. Only kids would survive. And kids would not remember much from before the Scourge. Also, how shitty is it, to just flee, and leave the Angara, your babies, your creation, back, alone, to deal with YOUR shit. I hope the Jaardan are good people, who just want to grow, and create, and build. But that was a shit thing to do.
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Post by neoiceman on Apr 4, 2017 10:03:48 GMT
Reapers, as far as we know, weren't capable of long, deep space travel. They still needed Mass Relays to move about the Milky Way in a reasonable fashion. We don't know exactly how far they went into dark space. That being said, Andromeda isn't the closest galaxy to the Milky Way either, so it's unlikely. Given the Catalyst's focus was entirely on maintaining order and stability in the Milky Way, I doubt it ever had any intention of exerting its warped cycle system of "preservation" on other species outside the Milky Way. Not to mention, I get the sense that the Scourge would likely rip through Reaper technology. We honestly don't know enough about the Jardaan to know if they are still alive, if they are capable of intergalactic travel, and whether they are friendly or hostile. I'm under the impression the Jardaan created the Scourge. Perhaps the Scourge is the Jardaan's version of the Reaper solution in order to keep their own technology in check? Perhaps it's another situation of something gone wrong much like the Leviathan with the Catalyst. Who knows? Welcome to the unofficial BSN, by the way. Wrong. The Reaper creating the Mass Relais to prevent new Species from finding another way traveling that fast and can flee at an invasion. At the normal invasion the Reaper stop the Relais from working and can so easy farm all species in the MilkyWay, at ME1 we break this circle and they have to start the farming the normal way. It isnt said that no Reaper ever go to another Galaxy, some of the Reaper are millions of years old.
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Post by rapscallioness on Apr 4, 2017 10:27:42 GMT
Hmm, the Scourge targets Remtech the way the Crucible targets Reaper tech.
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