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Post by sil on Apr 4, 2017 19:29:57 GMT
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Post by Oswin on Apr 4, 2017 19:36:31 GMT
Neat. Was wanting to start my Dude Ryder run through so I think I'll dive in on Thursday. Ideally I'd wait for the CC updates because I haven't been all that successful in making a good looking guy, but I have free time now that I won't have in two months so I'd rather get started when I can. Will be interesting to see what they'll do about his relationships. Whether they'll make someone available that will see me do another Scott run in the future or if they'll just open up that Jaal romance so everyone can suffer it.
Hopefully this patch gives me what I need to get through a NG+ and really go into the sidequests. Even though I totalled about 60hours in my first run, I still missed quite a few.
The latter updates will have to wait some time. Probably after all the DLC is out and I find myself with time to run through it all again.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 4, 2017 19:38:26 GMT
I sometimes wonder if DA2 didn't have the right solution where everyone was bi. I think that's unrealistic and maybe kind of problematic, but at least then everyone had the same number and quality of romances, and no one was gated off from going after the character they liked. I dunno. It's a tricky problem. SaveIt's the fairest option. It treats us all equally, and isn't that what everyone wants, to be treated fairly and equally? The caveat then is it loses characterization that makes the characters more unique. Ultimately I was worried about this being a problem, because honestly...and I hate to say this, but BioWare cannot keep making gay romance options the way they have been equally because then it will look unrealistic for them. It's basically, we as an audience need to pick what we want. More dynamic characters...or slightly flatter characters but more player-centric options. Do we go full on Power Fantasy, or have dynamic characters?
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Post by vonuber on Apr 4, 2017 19:38:30 GMT
So the conversation won't start "Hi, I'm Hainly, I'm Trans" ? Now Hainly gives you the finger while saying it. What is this unhealthy obsession with trans people? I don't get it, why does it bother you so much?
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 4, 2017 19:38:52 GMT
My experience is that BioWare will support a game for about a year before stopping all support, but normally by that time the majority of people who have bought the game have moved on to other things. If "support" includes ongoing server availability for MP functions, then it probably continues for a lot longer than a year. AFAIK, ME3MP is still available. I mean things like patches and DLC. They ended the MP weekends for ME3 after a year as well, but I am not sure if that was because it was a year or that there might have been problems with entitlements on player's accounts if they continued.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 4, 2017 19:41:44 GMT
I love that they're increasing the inventory limit, improving m/m romances and making the planetary transitions skipable! I'm also looking forward to (eventual) increased CC variety. What is up with straight guys whining that they can't have Suvi? They already have more romance options than any other players, and some really good ones, at that. Just be grateful for the options you have - you know? How do you know they're straight?
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 4, 2017 19:44:58 GMT
It's the fairest option. It treats us all equally, and isn't that what everyone wants, to be treated fairly and equally? The caveat then is it loses characterization that makes the characters more unique. Ultimately I was worried about this being a problem, because honestly...and I hate to say this, but BioWare cannot keep making gay romance options the way they have been equally because then it will look unrealistic for them. It's basically, we as an audience need to pick what we want. More dynamic characters...or slightly flatter characters but more player-centric options. Do we go full on Power Fantasy, or have dynamic characters? So what part about Cora being straight makes her more unique? What about Jack being a male only romance makes her more dynamic? Either a character is unique and well characterized or they aren't. Their sexuality really doesn't have anything to do with it. Sure you will have those handful of folks that just don't like it because reasons.... or whatever but the characters choice of bed mates has never been what makes them interesting or not.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 4, 2017 19:45:15 GMT
Now Hainly gives you the finger while saying it. What is this unhealthy obsession with trans people? I don't get it, why does it bother you so much? I'm feeling pretty brand new here, because I didn't even know she was trans. I wasn't paying enough attention.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 4, 2017 19:46:58 GMT
Glad to see Bioware listening to feedback, especially in regards to the LGBT stuff. Right? If we only had know how effective hashtag whining was back when ME3's ending was an issue... oh, wait, no special interest group... never mind. ...don't worry, I'll only post one passive aggressive jab per thread somebody HAS to mention this "issue". I know right? Like a free extended ending DLC or something, but boy were they already too busy making all those detailed sex scenes for gay romances by then!
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 4, 2017 19:52:20 GMT
Now Hainly gives you the finger while saying it. What is this unhealthy obsession with trans people? I don't get it, why does it bother you so much? Could be asking majority of the world that and you still wouldn't get a good answer.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 4, 2017 19:52:25 GMT
I'm feeling pretty brand new here, because I didn't even know she was trans. I wasn't paying enough attention. It's your typical throwaway one liner during a conversation about everything else under the sun which is, as usual, blown up into some vast conspiracy to force the evil trans stuff onto these innocent purebloods. Basically, as it is now (rightly) unacceptable to be homophobic people have moved onto trans people.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 4, 2017 19:53:32 GMT
The caveat then is it loses characterization that makes the characters more unique. Ultimately I was worried about this being a problem, because honestly...and I hate to say this, but BioWare cannot keep making gay romance options the way they have been equally because then it will look unrealistic for them. It's basically, we as an audience need to pick what we want. More dynamic characters...or slightly flatter characters but more player-centric options. Do we go full on Power Fantasy, or have dynamic characters? So what part about Cora being straight makes her more unique? What about Jack being a male only romance makes her more dynamic? Either a character is unique and well characterized or they aren't. Their sexuality really doesn't have anything to do with it. Sure you will have those handful of folks that just don't like it because reasons.... or whatever but the characters choice of bed mates has never been what makes them interesting or not. Characterization certainly does in some cases. Isabela in Dragon Age 2 slept around, part of her characterization is the flaunting of her sexuality and how open she is compared to say, Aveline or Merrill. Cora has dialogue in game talking about how she turned down Asari because she wasn't interested in them sexually. That gives a layer to her. If it was a female Ryder who would attempt to sleep with her, wouldn't that contradict Cora and how she has been characterized? Same with Dorian. If he was for female Inquisitors as well...doesn't that more or less gimp parts of his backstory as well? Their sexuality is not the only part to their characterization. But it helps in defining their characters as well.
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Post by sil on Apr 4, 2017 19:55:10 GMT
Cora has dialogue in game talking about how she turned down Asari because she wasn't interested in them sexually. That gives a layer to her. If it was a female Ryder who would attempt to sleep with her, wouldn't that contradict Cora and how she has been characterized? Could be that she just doesn't fancy asari.
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Post by havard on Apr 4, 2017 19:55:22 GMT
What is this unhealthy obsession with trans people? I don't get it, why does it bother you so much? I'm feeling pretty brand new here, because I didn't even know she was trans. I wasn't paying enough attention. I didn't even see it until my second playthrough...and that's only because people pointed it out. You have to do the whole 'Why did you come to Andromeda' option...which...is the most boring dialog for just about every single character out there. Ryder should not give two shits about this for the vast majority of people, so I ignore it.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 4, 2017 19:55:45 GMT
So what part about Cora being straight makes her more unique? What about Jack being a male only romance makes her more dynamic? Either a character is unique and well characterized or they aren't. Their sexuality really doesn't have anything to do with it. Sure you will have those handful of folks that just don't like it because reasons.... or whatever but the characters choice of bed mates has never been what makes them interesting or not. Characterization certainly does in some cases. Isabela in Dragon Age 2 slept around, part of her characterization is the flaunting of her sexuality and how open she is compared to say, Aveline or Merrill. Cora has dialogue in game talking about how she turned down Asari because she wasn't interested in them sexually. That gives a layer to her. If it was a female Ryder who would attempt to sleep with her, wouldn't that contradict Cora and how she has been characterized? Same with Dorian. If he was for female Inquisitors as well...doesn't that more or less gimp parts of his backstory as well? Their sexuality is not the only part to their characterization. But it helps in defining their characters as well. I didn't know that. Is it banter you get with SisRyder?
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Post by arreyanne on Apr 4, 2017 19:56:53 GMT
As a Straight white female wheres my white guy romance? maybe I should start a # somewhere
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 4, 2017 19:57:36 GMT
Cora has dialogue in game talking about how she turned down Asari because she wasn't interested in them sexually. That gives a layer to her. If it was a female Ryder who would attempt to sleep with her, wouldn't that contradict Cora and how she has been characterized? Could be that she just doesn't fancy asari. True but that was not the impression you got in the dialogue. It's also like when Liam, for example, says to male Ryder i'm not into guys but hes flattered. Little things like that do add up, which can be lost if it's too homogenous, basically. It's why Dragon Age 2 got so much flak in the end, the romances felt a bit flat compared to Origins and Mass Effect. If they do go back to Dragon Age 2-style of it, I bet we would still have this conversation in the end, but from the opposite end of the spectrum as well. BioWare cannot win anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 19:59:07 GMT
As a Straight white female wheres my white guy romance? maybe I should start a # somewhere They left him back in the Milky Way, sorry!
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Post by havard on Apr 4, 2017 20:00:17 GMT
As a Straight white female wheres my white guy romance? maybe I should start a # somewhere Don't you know preferences are discriminatory and you're not allowed to have those?
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 4, 2017 20:00:39 GMT
Characterization certainly does in some cases. Isabela in Dragon Age 2 slept around, part of her characterization is the flaunting of her sexuality and how open she is compared to say, Aveline or Merrill. Cora has dialogue in game talking about how she turned down Asari because she wasn't interested in them sexually. That gives a layer to her. If it was a female Ryder who would attempt to sleep with her, wouldn't that contradict Cora and how she has been characterized? Same with Dorian. If he was for female Inquisitors as well...doesn't that more or less gimp parts of his backstory as well? Their sexuality is not the only part to their characterization. But it helps in defining their characters as well. I didn't know that. Is it banter you get with SisRyder? It was one of the conversations you can engage in with her when you chat about her time with the Asari Commandos. I had it with a male ryder who was romancing Vetra, it may be possible only if you don't romance her, I honestly don't know. More or less she basically says she turned down other asari in her unit because it wasn't her thing.
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Post by mordivier on Apr 4, 2017 20:01:34 GMT
Now Hainly gives you the finger while saying it. What is this unhealthy obsession with trans people? I don't get it, why does it bother you so much? Because contrary to certain media outlets of the issue the whole "trans" thing in western society is rather recent. Most would be ostracized. Half the time it is a fantasy that people want made into reality. The other half is going against the grain of actual real biology. Men cannot be literal women. They can never carry a child in a womb. Neither can women be literal men. They can never carry the tools necessary to propagate life. They only end up butchering themselves in the end. If it weren't for specific instances talked about in the media like Bruce Jenner and this real obsession by liberals/progressives/sjw of trying to "represent" the fringe elements of society then Bioware and companies like it probably would not even consider having this in their products. Not only that but it is only recently that the whole "homosexuality" thing has taken off in western society. You will pretty much not find it in previous generations of video games on the whole. Yet, people actually requested incestuous relations between the Ryders. Its only a matter of time before this would be common place in video games as homosexuality is becoming. TL:DR; It bothers people because they know its put in there to make a stand against those who disagree with it for any reason. That's why.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 4, 2017 20:03:22 GMT
So what part about Cora being straight makes her more unique? What about Jack being a male only romance makes her more dynamic? Either a character is unique and well characterized or they aren't. Their sexuality really doesn't have anything to do with it. Sure you will have those handful of folks that just don't like it because reasons.... or whatever but the characters choice of bed mates has never been what makes them interesting or not. Characterization certainly does in some cases. Isabela in Dragon Age 2 slept around, part of her characterization is the flaunting of her sexuality and how open she is compared to say, Aveline or Merrill. Cora has dialogue in game talking about how she turned down Asari because she wasn't interested in them sexually. That gives a layer to her. If it was a female Ryder who would attempt to sleep with her, wouldn't that contradict Cora and how she has been characterized? Same with Dorian. If he was for female Inquisitors as well...doesn't that more or less gimp parts of his backstory as well? Their sexuality is not the only part to their characterization. But it helps in defining their characters as well. Can't comment on the DA ones as I didn't play those but for Cora, that one line is what making her straight is worth? I'm not finding much value in that, is that really such an important part of her characterization to protect that it warrants not allowing female Ryder to romance her? If she didn't have that one line of dialogue and she was a Sara romance would that change so drastically who the character of Cora is? What about the other way around if Leliana had been a straight male only romance or a lesbian only romance would we have gained anything by that? What did we lose by having her available to both genders of Wardens? What about Leliana as a character changes by blocking off one or the other romances? To me none of those characters would change who they are simply because of their sleeping arrangements. Jack wouldn't suddenly stop being Jack if femShep has a shot at her. If someone wants to define characters soley based on their romance options I think they are missing out on a lot of what the character stories are offering.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 4, 2017 20:03:26 GMT
BioWare cannot win anymore. They really can't, and it's a shame too. They screw up like all developers do, but when they do it, it becomes a pecking party.
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