Mass Effect: Andromeda – The Journey Ahead (The Real Big News)

Seriously, same here. I vaguely remember talking about her name and had thought she had just changed it to get a fresh start in a new galaxy/society. I'd seen people bitching about "the trans character" for the past few days and didn't put two and two together until today. So THAT'S her!

I also thought Krem was biologically a teenage boy for awhile until, again, I read about her "preachy transgenderism" online. I had never asked Bull about her sex so it never came up in my game. I have the worst trans radar, apparently. Motherfuckers, I'm just sitting here enjoying my nerdy space game, trying to solve people's nerdy space problems.

That's not what Linksocarina was saying though

But it's not about defining them through romances. 

Let's take Steve Cortez then. Gay only, his entire arc was basically about loss and recovery. There was a great moment I had for him and Shepard where they are in a bar, like two buddies, talking about all the eye-candy in the place, as the camera pans to women and men dancers (if you didn't romance Cortez, I never did was always a Liara kind of guy). 

That loses impact if suddenly, Cortez is interested in a female Shepard. 

The sexuality doesn't define Cortez, it's the actions and how it relates to the story around them, the characterization around them. Cortez was going through grief; a decent, emotional story arc. Didn't matter it was a man or woman there- but if that romance was not exclusive to one over the other, it loses that impact of that grief.

That is what I am getting at. You can maybe get away with it with Cora, take out that line and have her bang Sara, but doesn't that make Cora feel a touch more bland than what she is supposed to represent? 

"But it's not about defining them through romances. "

Kinda sounds like you are.

"That loses impact if suddenly, Cortez is interested in a female Shepard. "

The sexuality doesn't define Cortez, it's the actions and how it relates to the story around them, the characterization around them. Cortez was going through grief; a decent, emotional story arc. Didn't matter it was a man or woman there- but if that romance was not exclusive to one over the other, it loses that impact of that grief."

Why would he lose all that for femShep?  Does him liking femShep suddenly mean he never 'really' loved his husband previously?  I dunno, I just don't get that line of thinking.

"That is what I am getting at. You can maybe get away with it with Cora, take out that line and have her bang Sara, but doesn't that make Cora feel a touch more bland than what she is supposed to represent? "

Not really, Cora is Cora.  If Sara romances her she doesn't stop being a biotic badass or an ex asari commando, or suddenly stop wanting her rose garden, or any of the things that define who Cora is.  Steve doesn't suddenly stop grieving his husband or being a rockin shuttle pilot or stop joking around with Vega just because he shacks up with femShep.  Would Jack have to remove all her tattoos and grow her hair because femShep puts the moves on her?  Would Traynor have to give up her toothbrush for MaleShep?

I dunno, I still don't see how the character's sexuality can be used as their single most defining trait. /shrug

Which didn't actually fix anything, and was BW doubling down on their horrible ending as a further f-you to the fans... but, you know, artistic integrity is only and issue if we aren't touching on the "holy causes" of modern society.

I'm quite pleased with this announcement. The fixes and additions sound pretty good. Yes, it would've been nice to have it already in game, since the game feels like it's in the beta stage. But I still enjoyed my first playthrough a lot. I planned on playing it multiple times anyways, on various difficulties, different Ryder looks, and different romances/responses. I think I'll replay the original trilogy and maybe Dragon Age: Inquisition while I wait for June. Can't wait to dive back in with the changes!

Don't think anyone is suggesting it's the most defining trait, but it is a trait that helps define a lot of people in the world no? Some people it's just a random fact about them. While it really doesn't define WHO we are, plenty of people still feel their orientation and any struggles or differences in perspective from said orientation play a major role in their identity. 

If the world didn't care or make a big deal about such things people probably wouldn't worry about representation or make a big deal out of it...But it does and so we do.

Why? They essentially lowered them self down to tell us they will fix the game we already payed for? So gracious of them!

No mention of fixing the no banter bug?

Hey guys. Just a quick note to try and avoid spoilers if possible. This isn't a character discussion thread. It's alright if it's related to the patch, but going on long arguments about which sex deserves which romance is a bit much.

This patch is basically exactly what I hoped from Bioware. I'm holding off playing single-player due to university commitments (grades, ah the pain), and also quietly hoped that Bioware would patch a good amount of the game by the end of April, when I can actually play it.

Like others said, I would have preferred if the game had been delayed and had all this fixes included, but the financial requirements of EA might have dictated otherwise.

We should still appreciate the fact that Bioware is putting in the time and effort to fix this game before moving onto other projects like DLC. It must have been tough to get all that feedback. Whose fault it is doesn't really matter at this point, but the way they've reacted to feedback is a good step.

The way I'm seeing it, if MEA had been released with all these planned fixes and updates, the game would have easily cracked an 80+ metacritic score and have gotten a much better reception overall. And there would go most of the controversy around this game too, in my opinion.

Anyways, I won't start celebrating just yet. Bioware still has work to do to help MEA get back on track. But this announcement and their general attitude toward feedback should be commended

Yea yea... go over to the relationship forums and tell the new crybabies, my battle was over years ago.

FeralEwok : Not my arguments, I'm just telling you where people come from when they call that a "slippery slope".
The Japanese have a much clearer distinction between fantasy and reality, that's why almost nothing is off limits in their entertainment...

Gee, I guess all the stuff people are complaining about now in MEA  is part of "their vision"?