NRieh
N3
Shine on!
Posts: 600 Likes: 797
inherit
1017
0
May 20, 2023 22:15:31 GMT
797
NRieh
Shine on!
600
Aug 16, 2016 17:07:45 GMT
August 2016
nrieh
|
Post by NRieh on Mar 19, 2017 16:10:21 GMT
Rest of her speech is rather coherent, both before and after that phrase, it's not like she was falling asleep or loosing her mind.
There must be some very simple explaination to it, really. 'The editor had dropped the ball' being one of them, but that would be soooo bad, because dialogues used to be BWs bread&butter. It's not some random optional NPC in the cave no one would ever find (so why even bother?..), it's one of the key plot-related scenes, something that can't be missed.
Wonder what they have to say about it... Could anyone ask them on twitter?
|
|
inert
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: linertl
XBL Gamertag: inert14
Posts: 989 Likes: 5,556
inherit
590
0
Feb 27, 2024 20:54:00 GMT
5,556
inert
989
August 2016
inert
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
linertl
inert14
|
Post by inert on Mar 19, 2017 16:11:51 GMT
Canadian here, never heard the expression and it sounds jarring in game.
Please note Québécois is different from European French (see costume de bain/maillot de bain) so European French-speaking opinions can't be utilized in tracking this phrase down. My guess is that a francophone writer heard some deliberate broken english and thought it was normal for anglophones, so they included it in their writing.
Despite sounding weird, in print it may be innocuous enough to slip by editing.
This reminds me of someone I knew who liked to try and coin their own phrases and always sounded like an idiot for it.
|
|
inherit
184
0
4,057
kino
The path up and down are one and the same.
2,066
August 2016
kino
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
kinom001
|
Post by kino on Mar 19, 2017 16:13:08 GMT
"My face is tired" = tired face, which I see often in English her (in Canada). It is pretty common in French to use "Mon visage est fatigué" (the translation of my face is tired). More than likely this. I've heard friends from upper state NY use it before regarding a long day.
|
|
inherit
955
0
Jul 21, 2017 22:27:42 GMT
2,852
slimgrin
Poor cobblers make good shoes, they don't kill monsters.
1,055
Aug 13, 2016 17:21:05 GMT
August 2016
slimgrin
|
Post by slimgrin on Mar 19, 2017 16:13:54 GMT
To me it's an internal logic in the writer's head that the reader can't follow, not an idiom. Somehow he/she drew a straight line from 'stress' to a 'tired face'. The problem is it didn't get proofread by an editor. There were other examples of this kind of thing in the prologue.
edit- after reading some of the Canadian posts here, maybe it was an error in translation.
|
|
azarhal
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 9,226 Likes: 25,896
inherit
1519
0
Sept 29, 2024 2:08:04 GMT
25,896
azarhal
9,226
Sept 9, 2016 12:15:16 GMT
September 2016
azarhal
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by azarhal on Mar 19, 2017 16:15:30 GMT
No, no, no, you can technically say 'mon visage est fatigué', but not in such a context, practically out of nowhere. It makes sense in creative writing such as that song or novel, and it is true you can find it in some cosmetic ads, but it's usually short for 'my face looks tired', as a face relfects the feelings a person experiences. However, nobody says to someone else my face is tired, in a casual conversation, much less in a (semi-) formal meeting. In a normal conversation, she would just say 'J'ai l'air fatigué' (I look tired), or, 'je suis fatiguée' (I am tired), just like in english. In that particular context, saying 'my face is tired' sounds as weird in french as it sounds in english, moreover since her face doesn't look tired at all (she's one of the freshest looking NPC all around), just static. The people I've heard use "mon visage est fatigué", use it to mean their face doesn't look great because of stress, hard life or it looks tired while they aren't. The fact that it sound weird doesn't stop people form using it (although I usually hear "mon visage a l'air fatigué"). I guess Addison should have said "I look like shit".
|
|
inherit
3439
0
Sept 16, 2024 15:46:24 GMT
9,324
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,875
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Mar 19, 2017 16:18:27 GMT
"Stop trying to make 'fetch' happen!"
|
|
inherit
1039
0
Sept 29, 2024 0:07:13 GMT
4,005
Lebanese Dude
Anti-Gamer Culture
1,761
Aug 17, 2016 14:13:30 GMT
August 2016
lebanesedude
|
Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 19, 2017 16:24:00 GMT
It's not clumsy writing when it emulates real people. This is nothing more than overanalyzing an incidental moment of speech. It is when nobody talks like that in anormal context. This is why that particular line stands out so much. I wager we all get her meaning, but the way she expresses herself is still out of place. How is the context normal to begin with? This is someone who 1) had been stranded for 14 months 2) lost all hope 3) dealt with insurgents and rebellions 4) just found out about the death of the Pathfinder
You telling me that sputtering expressions like "my face is tired" as a result of being too pissed off to care about smiles and small-talk is out of context? Have normal people like us ever been in that situation?
|
|
inherit
1039
0
Sept 29, 2024 0:07:13 GMT
4,005
Lebanese Dude
Anti-Gamer Culture
1,761
Aug 17, 2016 14:13:30 GMT
August 2016
lebanesedude
|
Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 19, 2017 16:30:04 GMT
Look...this is no different an expression than saying "my legs are tired" when someone wishes to imply that they are no longer capable of movement. In this case it's being incapable of small-talk and smiling.
This is just you refusing to accept a semantic dictionary that is inconsistent with your own. I wonder how you managed to read novels that introduced phrases that make no sense out of context such as "Our blades are sharp" when asked about being ready.
|
|
inherit
98
0
3,042
Steelcan
2,078
August 2016
steelcan
|
Post by Steelcan on Mar 19, 2017 16:36:20 GMT
It is when nobody talks like that in anormal context. This is why that particular line stands out so much. I wager we all get her meaning, but the way she expresses herself is still out of place. How is the context normal to begin with? This is someone who 1) had been stranded for 14 months 2) lost all hope 3) dealt with insurgents and rebellions 4) just found out about the death of the Pathfinder
You telling me that sputtering expressions like "my face is tired" as a result of being too pissed off to care about smiles and small-talk is out of context? Have normal people like us ever been in that situation? I think that's far too subtle for BioWare's writing to really account for. I think its far more likely they just want to convey she's stressed and not talkative, and came up with a weird way to put it
|
|
inherit
2938
0
196
ayenari
121
Jan 22, 2017 10:37:15 GMT
January 2017
ayenari
|
Post by ayenari on Mar 19, 2017 16:37:12 GMT
It's essentially internet chat client slang actually spoken out loud.
No one would bat an eyelid if someone were to stay that in an mmo text chat between players. Problem here is the person who wrote that character didn't seem to realise how poor of an idea it was to combine lines spoken out loud and casual text ones.
|
|
inherit
2992
0
Nov 23, 2018 21:40:44 GMT
229
Cannibal
205
Jan 26, 2017 22:01:46 GMT
January 2017
cannibal
|
Post by Cannibal on Mar 19, 2017 16:38:32 GMT
This is an old saying, not some new slang.
|
|
fade9wayz
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
Origin: Aresis01
Posts: 190 Likes: 286
inherit
1127
0
Jun 18, 2017 22:17:50 GMT
286
fade9wayz
190
August 2016
fade9wayz
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
Aresis01
|
Post by fade9wayz on Mar 19, 2017 16:48:18 GMT
You don't need to live the exact same things to be in a similar frame of mind, hell most people would crack for less. Yet, very few people will express themselves that 'creatively' just to say: 'I don't feel like being nice to you', which would be the more direct and clear way to do it. I agree with the intent you described that line was supposed to convey, but not the way it was delivered. It is poor writing for me, and it pulls me right off immersion worse than the facial animations (or lack thereof). You can disagree and I'm happy for you that you don't find it weird.
|
|
steppinrazor
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 169 Likes: 198
inherit
4332
0
198
steppinrazor
169
March 2017
steppinrazor
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by steppinrazor on Mar 19, 2017 16:50:28 GMT
I haven't actually seen said dialogue, but from how it's been described here... it seems like you guys are REALLY overthinking this, lol..
|
|
NRieh
N3
Shine on!
Posts: 600 Likes: 797
inherit
1017
0
May 20, 2023 22:15:31 GMT
797
NRieh
Shine on!
600
Aug 16, 2016 17:07:45 GMT
August 2016
nrieh
|
Post by NRieh on Mar 19, 2017 16:52:07 GMT
Nope, it does not. Good writing 'emulates' people, true, that's what indirect characterization is meant for, and that's not the case. 0. her face... ok-ok, I know. I don't want to derail the thread, nothing new to say about the animations. 1. actress does not sound any 'tired' 2. rest of her speech does not indicate anything at all 3. she does not correct herself later (like 'oh, shit, what am I even sayin?..') E.g. take a look at Anders' choice of words: 'I have made this place a sanctum of healing and salvation, why do you threaten it?'. Not 'What are you doing here in my cellar?' 'For three years I've been lain awake every night aching for you' - not 'we'll bang, ok?' See? That's the magic of the words and writing for you. Here we don't even know what we're looking at. A mistake? An intentional awkward phrase? A secret magic Canadian expression? So, apparently it's not 'emulating' her hard enough. I know that a single phrase is not a big deal, but it's the first time when BW puzzles me like that (and if this thread is any indication - I'm not alone). As a curious foreigner (who had studied the languages), I'm REALLY intereted in tracking it down. Could you possibly link any source where this expression is used in books, media, films etc? At this point 99% of googling lead to Andromeda. I can see plenty of pages with 'my legs are tired', but no 'faces'.
|
|
inherit
1039
0
Sept 29, 2024 0:07:13 GMT
4,005
Lebanese Dude
Anti-Gamer Culture
1,761
Aug 17, 2016 14:13:30 GMT
August 2016
lebanesedude
|
Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 19, 2017 17:04:03 GMT
Nope, it does not. Good writing 'emulates' people, true, that's what indirect characterization is meant for, and that's not the case. 0. her face... ok-ok, I know. I don't want to derail the thread, nothing new to say about the animations. 1. actress does not sound any 'tired' 2. rest of her speech does not indicate anything at all 3. she does not correct herself later (like 'oh, shit, what am I even sayin?..') 0. If you're going to discuss writing, don't bring in animations. 1. This is being mentally tired not physically. 2. Because expressions have to be the same tone throughout a dialogue? 3. Why would she correct herself? She doesn't care if she hurt your feelings.
|
|
inherit
1039
0
Sept 29, 2024 0:07:13 GMT
4,005
Lebanese Dude
Anti-Gamer Culture
1,761
Aug 17, 2016 14:13:30 GMT
August 2016
lebanesedude
|
Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 19, 2017 17:07:07 GMT
I think that's far too subtle for BioWare's writing to really account for. I think its far more likely they just want to convey she's stressed and not talkative, and came up with a weird way to put it I'm not arguing it's not weird. If people wish to claim it as an internal inconsistency then they need to consider the internal context, not just the dialogue itself.
|
|
auronvigo
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 53 Likes: 54
inherit
4686
0
Oct 25, 2017 22:41:52 GMT
54
auronvigo
53
Mar 16, 2017 19:57:14 GMT
March 2017
auronvigo
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by auronvigo on Mar 19, 2017 17:30:25 GMT
"My face is tired" usually means "I've been spending too much time with a fake smile on my face." In other words having to pretend that nothing is wrong when reassuring people.
|
|
timebean
N3
It's just a game, folks...
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR
Posts: 540 Likes: 1,203
inherit
1378
0
Feb 11, 2018 21:26:55 GMT
1,203
timebean
It's just a game, folks...
540
Aug 31, 2016 13:20:50 GMT
August 2016
timebean
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR
|
Post by timebean on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:45 GMT
Nope, it does not. Good writing 'emulates' people, true, that's what indirect characterization is meant for, and that's not the case. 0. her face... ok-ok, I know. I don't want to derail the thread, nothing new to say about the animations. 1. actress does not sound any 'tired' 2. rest of her speech does not indicate anything at all 3. she does not correct herself later (like 'oh, shit, what am I even sayin?..') 0. If you're going to discuss writing, don't bring in animations. 1. This is being mentally tired not physically. 2. Because expressions have to be the same tone throughout a dialogue? 3. Why would she correct herself? She doesn't care if she hurt your feelings. Just a quick chime in #1 - If a voice actress is incapable of emoting (or was directed poorly, whatever), then how the hell are we supposed to know things like "mental exhaustion"? Not thru the writing, because clearly the writers are using weird phrases that sound odd to folks. Not thru facial animations (see point 0). Physical exhaustion is waaaaaay easy to get across in a game (ie, panting, etc...that's a no brainier). They can even display this easily thru body animations (hunched over, hands on sides, etc). But to convey the sense of mental exhaustion through a weird phrase delivered with zero emotion? No...just...no. I am not an actress and if you gave me a line like "I wonder will happen next?" and told me to deliver it a) mentally exhausted, excited, c) despondent, d)wisful, etc...I am sure I could do it. And you could too, most likely. Applying good voice acting to weird phrases = people will get it.
|
|
guanxi
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquistion
PSN: guanxi
Posts: 843 Likes: 1,011
inherit
116
0
Jun 21, 2022 21:42:52 GMT
1,011
guanxi
843
August 2016
guanxi
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquistion
guanxi
|
Post by guanxi on Mar 19, 2017 17:43:58 GMT
We're all going to look pretty silly when we find out that Foster Addison has a botox addiction. It's a serious problem, we really shouldn't make light of it.
|
|
inherit
1039
0
Sept 29, 2024 0:07:13 GMT
4,005
Lebanese Dude
Anti-Gamer Culture
1,761
Aug 17, 2016 14:13:30 GMT
August 2016
lebanesedude
|
Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 19, 2017 18:12:40 GMT
#1 - If a voice actress is incapable of emoting (or was directed poorly, whatever), then how the hell are we supposed to know things like "mental exhaustion"? Not thru the writing, because clearly the writers are using weird phrases that sound odd to folks. Not thru facial animations (see point 0). Physical exhaustion is waaaaaay easy to get across in a game (ie, panting, etc...that's a no brainier). They can even display this easily thru body animations (hunched over, hands on sides, etc). But to convey the sense of mental exhaustion through a weird phrase delivered with zero emotion? No...just...no. I am not an actress and if you gave me a line like "I wonder will happen next?" and told me to deliver it a) mentally exhausted, excited, c) despondent, d)wisful, etc...I am sure I could do it. And you could too, most likely. Applying good voice acting to weird phrases = people will get it. They displayed mental fatigue through her attitude and dialogue. The context was there. She was mean. She lacked professional respect. She talked down to you. She said she was tired of holding it all together. She wanted you to go out there now and stop being useless. Perhaps not everyone processed it the same way. That's fine. We perceive things differently. We also have different expectations, and this is demonstrated by the fact that you think you can deliver mental fatigue better, when people express mental fatigue differently. Some people break down. Others get frustrated and angry. A few keep it cool. In Addison's case, she turned into an ice queen. Context matters.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
2543
0
Sept 29, 2024 2:23:48 GMT
Deleted
0
Sept 29, 2024 2:23:48 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:21:21 GMT
Seriously, two whole pages devoted to this (and 10 pages worth in google search)... we've hit a new low in pettiness.
|
|
inherit
3439
0
Sept 16, 2024 15:46:24 GMT
9,324
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,875
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Mar 19, 2017 18:29:35 GMT
I haven't actually seen said dialogue, but from how it's been described here... it seems like you guys are REALLY overthinking this, lol.. It's what we do.
|
|
MarilynRobert
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 986 Likes: 2,148
inherit
33
0
Aug 27, 2016 23:38:20 GMT
2,148
MarilynRobert
986
August 2016
robmar
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by MarilynRobert on Mar 20, 2017 3:01:40 GMT
I think that Foster Addison is really a reaper and this convesation will be our first clue.
|
|
hathur
N2
Posts: 134 Likes: 278
inherit
4183
0
278
hathur
134
March 2017
hathur
|
Post by hathur on Mar 20, 2017 3:14:16 GMT
"My face is tired" = tired face, which I see often in English her (in Canada). It is pretty common in French to use "Mon visage est fatigué" (the translation of my face is tired). Have heard / seen it used in french-speaking parts of Canada... NEVER in anglophone parts of Canada though and I'd wager 99% of anglophones have never seen / heard it used. I have relatives in quebec however whilst I live in Ontario, so I get exposure to both "sides" of Canada.
|
|
tziwen
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Origin: Tziwen
Posts: 150 Likes: 178
inherit
4707
0
178
tziwen
150
Mar 16, 2017 21:32:59 GMT
March 2017
tziwen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Tziwen
|
Post by tziwen on Mar 20, 2017 3:43:54 GMT
"My face is tired" = tired face. It is pretty common in French to use "Mon visage est fatiguée" (the translation). No, it is not. Or maybe it is in canadian french, I wouldn't know, but it isn't in regular french, or even in swiss or belgian french. As an aside, visage is a masculine noun, so fatigué, not fatiguée. Edit: nevermind, you corrected it If they are going to use colloquial expressions, they should only use widely known ones, or indicate them as such, as was the case for Liam. I too took that as a jab to the facial animation criticisms As far as i remember, i may have watched ads on tv for creams and make up where "visage fatigué, qui tire, blablabla" was somethin'. But behind that, no french people in France would use that expression in a casual talk.
|
|