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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 21:48:45 GMT
It should have done something to even the odds, but still make a victory very costly. Exactly, depending on your war assets and all other factors from THREE whole games... there shouldn't have been a perfect victory, but a sliding scale from complete annihilation to a hard won victory. If BW still wanted to have an explanation for the reapers, then they could have thrown in a final confrontation with Harbinger, where he explains it all... but I, personally, wouldn't have needed that.
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Post by sil on Apr 5, 2017 21:53:25 GMT
I think the Leviathan DLC would've been enough of an explanation, if it had been placed in the main story.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Apr 5, 2017 21:57:33 GMT
So I usually wind up in the ending defender's camp. Partially out of a deeply ingrained need to be contrary play the devil's advocate.
They weren't good, but maybe I just read too much sf -- especially the short stories -- because they were never bad enough to make me recoil in terror and cupcakes. I mean, you pretty much have to have a weird transhumanism mindfuck at the end, or else people might think you were just writing it to have spaceships! It's very traditional. And since the EC, I find them tolerable. I appreciate the intent, but will absolutely agree that the execution left much to be desired.
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Post by jastall on Apr 5, 2017 22:12:02 GMT
The ending was terrible then, it's still terrible now, the EC has barely changed my opinion of it. It's still horrible writing that doesn't fit the trilogy at all and comes completely out of left field, on top of badly executing its premise.
That said, it's been 5 years, so I don't hold a grudge or anything. It's just an instance of very bad writing. And in some twisted way, a reminder that whatever writing mishaps Andromeda might certainly have, it's still far from the trilogy's lowest low.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 5, 2017 22:13:05 GMT
The ending was terrible then, it's still terrible now, the EC has barely changed my opinion of it. It's still horrible writing that doesn't fit the trilogy at all and comes completely out of left field, on top of badly executing its premise. That said, it's been 5 years, so I don't hold a grudge or anything. It's just an instance of very bad writing. And in some twisted way, a reminder that whatever writing mishaps Andromeda might certainly have, it's still far from the trilogy's lowest low. I'll hold this particular grudge until BW learns... but I doubt that will ever happen.
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Post by The Twilight God on Apr 5, 2017 22:45:37 GMT
The MEHEM is the canon ending. I don't know what people are bitching about.
If you're not on PC you're doing it wrong.
Lol no. It may be your head cannon ending but it is never going to be the cannon ending. I personally felt what we got at release was good but needed polish. Once we got that I loved the ending. I know some don't and that's fine. I watched the MEHEM mod and don't like it it's not the ending that it should be. Just don't act like that is the actual ending. But it is the actual ending. Hmmm. Sounds like someone is a little bit triggered. Just a lil bit.
Your personal feeling are irrelevant. Only my say matters. As The Official Mass Effect LoreMaster Supreme I decree it and so it is. I have absolute authority on this issue and my decree has been made. You have no say in the matter whatsoever. My Word is objective fact. The MEHEM is the canon ending. You'll just have to stew in your salt or get over it.
All hail The LoreMaster Supreme!!!
P.S. Liara is the canon love interest. (I personally prefer Tali, but as Kaidan might say, "the writing is on the wall"). Shepard is canonically male. Deal with it, matey.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 5, 2017 23:24:28 GMT
This isn't completely true. Pre-EC Shepard could just stand around and do nothing. Wait long enough and the Crucible would be destroyed. Not exactly an ending, just a non-standard Game Over. What's the alternative to the Refuse we got? Refuse leading to victory was widely debated, and widely hated. The Crucible shouldn't have worked like that in the first place... it should just have been the tip of the spear in the fight against the Reapers, or maybe a final ace when everything else failed, but not a deus ex machina changing the whole premise of the series in the last couple of minutes. I don't follow the "whole premise of the series" bit. Anyway, this is going into total-rewrite territory, and doesn't really answer my question. Are you standing by the position that adding Refuse was a bad thing?
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 5, 2017 23:26:20 GMT
Lol no. It may be your head cannon ending but it is never going to be the cannon ending. I personally felt what we got at release was good but needed polish. Once we got that I loved the ending. I know some don't and that's fine. I watched the MEHEM mod and don't like it it's not the ending that it should be. Just don't act like that is the actual ending. But it is the actual ending. Hmmm. Sounds like someone is a little bit triggered. Just a lil bit.
Your personal feeling are irrelevant. Only my say matters. As The Official Mass Effect LoreMaster Supreme I decree it and so it is. I have absolute authority on this issue and my decree has been made. You have no say in the matter whatsoever. My Word is objective fact. The MEHEM is the canon ending. You'll just have to stew in your salt or get over it.
All hail The LoreMaster Supreme!!!
Weren't you supposed to plug Deception Theory in there someplace?
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 5, 2017 23:42:43 GMT
Lol no. It may be your head cannon ending but it is never going to be the cannon ending. I personally felt what we got at release was good but needed polish. Once we got that I loved the ending. I know some don't and that's fine. I watched the MEHEM mod and don't like it it's not the ending that it should be. Just don't act like that is the actual ending. But it is the actual ending. Hmmm. Sounds like someone is a little bit triggered. Just a lil bit.
Your personal feeling are irrelevant. Only my say matters. As The Official Mass Effect LoreMaster Supreme I decree it and so it is. I have absolute authority on this issue and my decree has been made. You have no say in the matter whatsoever. My Word is objective fact. The MEHEM is the canon ending. You'll just have to stew in your salt or get over it.
All hail The LoreMaster Supreme!!!
P.S. Liara is the canon love interest. (I personally prefer Tali, but as Kaidan might say, "the writing is on the wall"). Shepard is canonically male. Deal with it, matey.
Ok sure whatever. Enjoy your own little reality.🙂
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Post by beelzebub on Apr 6, 2017 0:12:42 GMT
A lot of people say the EC fixed the endings. But the final cinematics still show the mass relays and Citadel getting blown up, and the Normandy crash landing on a random planet. Having a narration saying "Oh yeah, we fixed those" doesn't really solve the problem. Actually, it just raises more questions than it answers.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 6, 2017 0:17:52 GMT
And yet, by then the debate will probably be a lot different than it is now. I don't know it's been 5 years and I still have irrational hatred when remembering the ending. It's so bad I never even replayed to the point of seeing the Extended Cut. If I were to see the star child in ME:A I would literally throw my keyboard at my computer screen screaming NO. Some of us can't forget just how awful it felt to enjoy a series for 100 hrs and have it all account for nothing because of terrible choices. Ugh anyway thankfully ME:A ending is nothing like that and while I don't think it was stellar it was still pretty good. Just simply by comparison any ending we would have gotten would have been considered stellar.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 0:29:01 GMT
The Crucible shouldn't have worked like that in the first place... it should just have been the tip of the spear in the fight against the Reapers, or maybe a final ace when everything else failed, but not a deus ex machina changing the whole premise of the series in the last couple of minutes. I don't follow the "whole premise of the series" bit. Anyway, this is going into total-rewrite territory, and doesn't really answer my question. Are you standing by the position that adding Refuse was a bad thing? I didn't say it was a bad thing, I said it was BW adding insult to injury... at least for me. We already had a game over for simply not choosing. "You don't like our endings? Ok, then the galaxy is dead, no matter how hard you worked for three games to win this thing!" It's like the pen and paper DM that kills the party because they don't like his story...
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 6, 2017 0:32:15 GMT
I don't follow the "whole premise of the series" bit. Anyway, this is going into total-rewrite territory, and doesn't really answer my question. Are you standing by the position that adding Refuse was a bad thing? I didn't say it was a bad thing, I said it was BW adding insult to injury... at least for me. We already had a game over for simply not choosing. "You don't like our endings? Ok, then the galaxy is dead, no matter how hard you worked for three games to win this thing!" It's like the pen and paper DM that kills the party because they don't like his story...That was pretty much the impression I got as well.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Apr 6, 2017 1:35:35 GMT
Lol no. It may be your head cannon ending but it is never going to be the cannon ending. I personally felt what we got at release was good but needed polish. Once we got that I loved the ending. I know some don't and that's fine. I watched the MEHEM mod and don't like it it's not the ending that it should be. Just don't act like that is the actual ending. But it is the actual ending. Hmmm. Sounds like someone is a little bit triggered. Just a lil bit.
Your personal feeling are irrelevant. Only my say matters. As The Official Mass Effect LoreMaster Supreme I decree it and so it is. I have absolute authority on this issue and my decree has been made. You have no say in the matter whatsoever. My Word is objective fact. The MEHEM is the canon ending. You'll just have to stew in your salt or get over it.
All hail The LoreMaster Supreme!!!
P.S. Liara is the canon love interest. (I personally prefer Tali, but as Kaidan might say, "the writing is on the wall"). Shepard is canonically male. Deal with it, matey.
As the Final Arbiter of Taste and Canon In All, your ideas must come past me. And I have a few revisions.... Shepard is canonically a female vanguard who romanced Garrus and chose paragon control because that's empirically the best for real. ...Ahem. Anyway, what I always liked about the endings is that, despite their derp, there's 4 very science-fiction-flavored choices. And there's logical and emotional reasons to favor each one of them, so there's no right and wrong answer. Which makes choosing your end-of-game-option a hell of a lot more interesting than the two previous games.
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Post by laughingbanana on Apr 6, 2017 4:12:41 GMT
And now, ladies and gentlemen, the person directly responsible for the poetry that was Mass Effect 3's ending became the project lead for Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Raga on Apr 6, 2017 4:28:27 GMT
The endings didn't actually bother me that much. I mean I didn't like them but I liked the rest of the series so much that 10 minutes at the end wasn't enough to change my opinion really.
What infuriated me was Bioware's childish petulance that so many people didn't like their "art" coupled with general gaming press lampooning people as entitled, whiny brats for daring to suggest that Bioware change said "art." They suddenly started pretending to be like starving street artists oppressed for their political views or something instead of a for-profit company peddling an entertainment product.
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Post by The Twilight God on Apr 6, 2017 4:39:05 GMT
But it is the actual ending. Hmmm. Sounds like someone is a little bit triggered. Just a lil bit.
Your personal feeling are irrelevant. Only my say matters. As The Official Mass Effect LoreMaster Supreme I decree it and so it is. I have absolute authority on this issue and my decree has been made. You have no say in the matter whatsoever. My Word is objective fact. The MEHEM is the canon ending. You'll just have to stew in your salt or get over it.
All hail The LoreMaster Supreme!!!
P.S. Liara is the canon love interest. (I personally prefer Tali, but as Kaidan might say, "the writing is on the wall"). Shepard is canonically male. Deal with it, matey.
As the Final Arbiter of Taste and Canon In All, your ideas must come past me. And I have a few revisions.... Shepard is canonically a female vanguard who romanced Garrus and chose paragon control because that's empirically the best for real.
Clearly, you don't know what supreme means. Another outburst like that and I'll kill Garrus off in the suicide mission. Don't make me do it!
The marketing campaign says otherwise. Not yo mention the greatest warrior humanity has to offer being a... heh, being a woman. LOL!!! That's ridiculous. This is Sci-fi, not high fantasy. Hehe.. female Shepard... heh, always worth a good laugh. You will be pleased to know that Shepard is canonically a Vanguard.
On that note though I am leaning toward Sara being the canon Ryder. An archeologist type fits the role better than a guy who looked out of window of a space station, don't you think? I was really disappointed in Bioware for plastering Scott over all the trailers. At this stage MEA is not included in the canon, but that could change. The council of LoreMasters will be convening in a few months to discuss it.
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Post by fenris on Apr 6, 2017 4:53:28 GMT
Everytime I replay ME3 I stop before it gets to this point. The moment to stop is at the end of your conversation with Anderson. If the game had ended there i would've been okay with it. An Epilogue based on your EMS/choices would be great aswell. I didn't need to play Shepard anymore, but just a picture of him/her if they survived with their LI would've been gold. Can't believe they wrote that extra 15 minutes that just sucks! Go to hell Starbrat. There's actually an extensive mod that does that. It's called the ME happy ending mod. You should check it out.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 6, 2017 4:57:57 GMT
The endings were so bad, they had to cart the sequel off 600 years later in some otehr ga;axy because the Milky Way ended either robot-human hybrids, completely devoid of AI/synthetics, or Shepard became Papa Reaper.
There's simply no reconciling that mess; they would have needed for any sequel to chreate three entirely different settings to play through, since a world with each of those endings looks vastly different.
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Post by Arcian on Apr 6, 2017 5:05:15 GMT
Haha, never saw that one before. Even today it still amazes me how bad the ending of ME3 was. You never did refusal? That is my Canon! I will probably get a lot of flak for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 5:06:41 GMT
You never did refusal? That is my Canon! I will probably get a lot of flak for that. Well played!
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Apr 6, 2017 5:14:51 GMT
I doubt your supremacy suddenly. Not just because you're suggesting fanfiction is canon... But also because you can't possibly think male Shepard works with vanguard. I will defend Mark Meer in most things, but his vanguard nova yell is weaksauce and deeply saddening. It's why I have only punched a harvester to death as JenShep.
Regarding killing Garrus: do what you must, but any lack of Garrus only hurts yourself!
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Post by clips7 on Apr 6, 2017 5:27:36 GMT
At some point they are going to have to address what is the current status of the Milky Way galaxy tho right? Or are they just going to continue this series in Andromeda and not discuss anything related as to what happened in the trilogy? I personally wasn't too upset at the endings, but they missed such a huge opportunity. The way the narrative was developing was in a manner that was pointing to beings possibly responsible for creation itself and the entire prospect of what the meaning of life is and significant or insignificant it is. Maybe the plot and the weight of trying to tell that story crumbled under it's own weight, but i thought there was going to be a huge climax with all that was involved to confront the one entity possibly responsible for what we considered to be all creation or an entity on such a level. Maybe time constraints forced them to tell a uninspired ending, but what we received wasn't that bad and EC cleared some things up, but even with the EC, i felt Bioware missed the chance to tell a mind-numbing, compelling story that would have lead to striking conclusion....something that huge would probably have needed a 4th game in the trilogy lol... I'm not expecting Andromeda to top the trilogy in terms of scope since there is no galaxy/universal wide threat going on, but my experience so far with the few hours i've experienced, it already feels like a watered down version of Star-Trek....and maybe the story gets better later on, but eh, i guess i'm used to this series having dark themes and levels of desperation and peril....i'm not really gettin' that vibe from Andromeda, but maybe we aren't supposed to since we are "pathfinders"...
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 6, 2017 5:44:22 GMT
The moment to stop is at the end of your conversation with Anderson. If the game had ended there i would've been okay with it. An Epilogue based on your EMS/choices would be great aswell. I didn't need to play Shepard anymore, but just a picture of him/her if they survived with their LI would've been gold. Can't believe they wrote that extra 15 minutes that just sucks! Go to hell Starbrat. The moment to stop is the Citadel party. After that let the galaxy burn. The OP video tells us all we need to know of what Bioware thinks of ending haters. And heres what I do. Farewell and into the inevitable plays and Shepard goes on to decide.
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Post by clips7 on Apr 6, 2017 5:53:35 GMT
Maybe they can improve Cora's gorilla walk animation to this....
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