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Post by linksocarina on Apr 6, 2017 16:58:24 GMT
I always looked it as the Asari having no gender.
And the use of gender being something for the sake of ease of others.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 6, 2017 17:01:02 GMT
They would be considered asexual because they do not require a partner to reproduce, technically. They don't actually take genetic material, they just randomize the genetic information a bit when they meld to trigger the pregnancy. (Or at least that was the explanation as of ME2 and ME3, for some reason there's dialogue resurrecting the whole "take genetic material from other species" bit that was discarded after ME1 in this game) The asari developed as a culture of only one gender, the male-female dichotomy in human cultures would not exist in their understanding of themselves. So they would not regard themselves as female. I think it's plausible that they might observe other sexually reproductive specie, create a concept of gender and apply it to themselves. Just a thought Not entirely impossible, but it seems unlikely that such an idea would become mainstream in their culture or that they would start dividing themselves up in that way. Even if they did, they're understanding of those gendered ideas would probably be quite different. For example, "father" would be a word that can apply to anyone that an asari melded with to become pregnant, even a female of another species. Such a concept of gender would probably be extremely fluid among asari, I doubt it would result in anything resembling "gender identity" as we think of it. EDIT: There is actually an exchange that touches on this example in ME1 where Liara mentions her asari father and Shepard can say: "You mean your other mother?" But Liara corrects them and says "father" is the correct word.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 6, 2017 17:01:14 GMT
Asari do not have the same body parts as a reptile. So your analogy is not entirely appropriate. Asari have parts consistent with mammals (such as breasts, vagaina, etc.), hence implying the need for a male counterpart. I was just throwing in a species that only has females, no males. I wasn't saying Asari are reptiles, or mammals for that matter. Personally, and way off lore, I think there used to be male asari but they stopped being relevant when females started to basically clone themselves. Clone themselves with some gene recombination
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Post by LogicGunn on Apr 6, 2017 17:02:23 GMT
I've not gotten to the male Asari pronoun thing yet, but I'm wondering why people assume that ALL Asari stick to the Asari norms. Male and female might have no meaning in Asari culture, but that's not to say an Asari growing up in a non-asari household and community might not be influenced by gender in some way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 17:04:11 GMT
I always looked it as the Asari having no gender. That contradicts the codex however. The codex entry on them outright states they're monogendered and female. The prefix mono means one or single, like in the words monocle (a single corrective lens for the eye) or monogamy (a committed sexual relationship to one person), or monopoly (a market controlled by a single company). Monogendered would mean single gender, rather than no gender, and the game tells us that gender is female.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 6, 2017 17:04:54 GMT
Fact 1. In the game you can hear an Angaran diplomat engaging in a pretty embarassing exchange about how to address an Asari (with male or female pronouns). Fact 2. The whole "use X Y pronouns when speaking to me" makes the english-speaking internet users look like idiots. Seriously, when I squat in my tracksuit in front of my potato-powered machine turn my head for a while and look at my family that usually is outside playing football with a half-rotten cabbage inbetween singing folk songs I just load up twitter or tumblr and look for an american account that says sth like "pronouns: them/xer/bazzir" and suddenly I feel like sure, I breathe in cancer from burning asbestos and coal every day but at least I'm not THAT retarded. Fact 3. In Mass Effect aliens communicate with each other by using their own native language and the universal translator makes it sound as a language comprehended by the user. Fact 4. Asari society, being single-gendered, would have no incentive to develop female/male pronouns before making it to space travel. Therefore, when you'd address an Asari in any language that has them, the Asari in question would hear a sentence in Asari language - so, in a language WITHOUT the pronoun, or with a genderless one. In other words, the whole speech of an Asari lecturing an Angaran on "preferred pronouns" of an Asari has severe logical consequences. It doesn't make sense, because Asari shouldn't hear pronouns in the first place, even if Angaran language has them. So, in order to be appealing to probably the most embarassing part of modern anglo-saxon society the game decides the whole concept of translator should be thrown under the bus and doesn't need to follow basic logic of linguistic development of single-gendered omni-coital species. Are you with me, BSN? I want ME universe to make sense again. I'm not suggesting the exchange should be cut from the game; just don't make an Asari say it. Have an, I don't know, a confused Krogan do it. Hell, have Ryder talk with this Angaran and correct pronouns, demanding the Angaran to use those usually associated with attack helicopters. I'm glad that BioWare can address concerns of transgender community that wasn't satisfied with an NPC that left all the Milky Way bigots along with his/her penis behind a wall of 600 years of cryosleep. I think that this constitutes a stunning number of ~0.5% players. Now, what about some pandering to the "I want the universe to make sense" community? I think I deserve that! Unfortunately it seems that those 0.5% of players and issues surrounding them are more important than the rest of us, or general game issues that affect everyone. Welcome to the world we live in. Otherwise I feel with you. Pour me some ryncol while we are at it.
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Post by timebean on Apr 6, 2017 17:11:04 GMT
Fact 1. In the game you can hear an Angaran diplomat engaging in a pretty embarassing exchange about how to address an Asari (with male or female pronouns). Fact 2. The whole "use X Y pronouns when speaking to me" makes the english-speaking internet users look like idiots. Seriously, when I squat in my tracksuit in front of my potato-powered machine turn my head for a while and look at my family that usually is outside playing football with a half-rotten cabbage inbetween singing folk songs I just load up twitter or tumblr and look for an american account that says sth like "pronouns: them/xer/bazzir" and suddenly I feel like sure, I breathe in cancer from burning asbestos and coal every day but at least I'm not THAT retarded. *snip* Can I come hang out with you? And what the hell is the potato-powered machine that you are squatting in front of? (You CANNOT leave that one to my twisted imagination). I am from bum-f$%ked southern WV (and my dad was a coal miner), and I have never had such an experience. Agree that the pronoun game is beyond stupid in the game. In the real world, I personally think it is fast becoming a way for people to try to be unique/special without having to a) develop an interesting personality or contribute something meaningful to the universe.
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Post by kino on Apr 6, 2017 17:13:21 GMT
Too funny. You'd have to go back and change the pronoun usage in ME3 of Liara's "father" first.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 6, 2017 17:15:05 GMT
I think it's plausible that they might observe other sexually reproductive specie, create a concept of gender and apply it to themselves. Just a thought I don't see what use they'll have for these concepts.
I generally find the idea that "incidentally" aliens have exactly the same politically correct attitude as a certain western political faction from current day earth to be rather laughable, not to mention sad. It's not only enough that every Alien in ME is a human in rubber suit, couldn't they preserve what little that makes them actual "Aliens"?
And all for the sake of making an inane political statement...
I can easily see why they would develop a sense of gender, if for no other reason then to conduct biological research to other living things. It makes perfect sense to think that it's conceivable that asari might want to place themselves in a biological theoretical frame work in order to advance their science. Please elaborate on the insane political statement having to do with western political faction, cuz I m lost.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 17:15:34 GMT
Fact 1. In the game you can hear an Angaran diplomat engaging in a pretty embarassing exchange about how to address an Asari (with male or female pronouns). Fact 2. The whole "use X Y pronouns when speaking to me" makes the english-speaking internet users look like idiots. Seriously, when I squat in my tracksuit in front of my potato-powered machine turn my head for a while and look at my family that usually is outside playing football with a half-rotten cabbage inbetween singing folk songs I just load up twitter or tumblr and look for an american account that says sth like "pronouns: them/xer/bazzir" and suddenly I feel like sure, I breathe in cancer from burning asbestos and coal every day but at least I'm not THAT retarded. Fact 3. In Mass Effect aliens communicate with each other by using their own native language and the universal translator makes it sound as a language comprehended by the user. Fact 4. Asari society, being single-gendered, would have no incentive to develop female/male pronouns before making it to space travel. Therefore, when you'd address an Asari in any language that has them, the Asari in question would hear a sentence in Asari language - so, in a language WITHOUT the pronoun, or with a genderless one. In other words, the whole speech of an Asari lecturing an Angaran on "preferred pronouns" of an Asari has severe logical consequences. It doesn't make sense, because Asari shouldn't hear pronouns in the first place, even if Angaran language has them. So, in order to be appealing to probably the most embarassing part of modern anglo-saxon society the game decides the whole concept of translator should be thrown under the bus and doesn't need to follow basic logic of linguistic development of single-gendered omni-coital species. Are you with me, BSN? I want ME universe to make sense again. I'm not suggesting the exchange should be cut from the game; just don't make an Asari say it. Have an, I don't know, a confused Krogan do it. Hell, have Ryder talk with this Angaran and correct pronouns, demanding the Angaran to use those usually associated with attack helicopters. I'm glad that BioWare can address concerns of transgender community that wasn't satisfied with an NPC that left all the Milky Way bigots along with his/her penis behind a wall of 600 years of cryosleep. I think that this constitutes a stunning number of ~0.5% players. Now, what about some pandering to the "I want the universe to make sense" community? I think I deserve that! Unfortunately it seems that those 0.5% of players and issues surrounding them are more important than the rest of us, or general game issues that affect everyone. Welcome to the world we live in. Otherwise I feel with you. Pour me some ryncol while we are at it. Don't try to act tough — that stuff'll go through a human's insides like broken glass.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 6, 2017 17:21:55 GMT
I don't see what use they'll have for these concepts.
I generally find the idea that "incidentally" aliens have exactly the same politically correct attitude as a certain western political faction from current day earth to be rather laughable, not to mention sad. It's not only enough that every Alien in ME is a human in rubber suit, couldn't they preserve what little that makes them actual "Aliens"?
And all for the sake of making an inane political statement...
I can easily see why they would develop a sense of gender, if for no other reason then to conduct biological research to other living things. It makes perfect sense to think that it's conceivable that asari might want to place themselves in a biological theoretical frame work in order to advance their science. Please elaborate on the insane political statement having to do with western political faction, cuz I m lost. But why would they feel the need to shoehorn themselves into the female or male theoretical framework. Most likely the asari are not the only species on their planet to reproduce asexually, so they would develop a theoretical framework that distinguished between sexually reproductive and asexually reproductive species (which we have as well, btw) and place themselves in the latter category.
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Post by kino on Apr 6, 2017 17:23:29 GMT
Too funny. You'd have to go back and change the pronoun usage in ME3 of Liara's "father" first. So she said the word "father" for Shepard's benefit, how is that proving anything exactly?
Hell, she might have said "asdihf hidfwuih" in Asari and Shaperd's implant translated it into "father" as merely the closest translation in english.
And yet she clearly said "father". Even made the comment about not being the mother. That's a helluva lot of mistranslation. It's proving that Asari understand the usage of pronouns. I thought that'd be clear.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 6, 2017 17:23:53 GMT
I can easily see why they would develop a sense of gender, if for no other reason then to conduct biological research to other living things. It makes perfect sense to think that it's conceivable that asari might want to place themselves in a biological theoretical frame work in order to advance their science. Please elaborate on the insane political statement having to do with western political faction, cuz I m lost. But why would they feel the need to shoehorn themselves into the female or male theoretical framework. Most likely the asari are not the only species on their planet to reproduce asexually, so they would develop a theoretical framework that distinguished between sexually reproductive and asexually reproductive species (which we have as well, btw) and place themselves in the latter category. They wouldn't. But it is conceivable they do.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 6, 2017 17:25:01 GMT
That contradicts the codex however. The codex entry on them outright states they're monogendered and female. The prefix mono means one or single, like in the words monocle (a single corrective lens for the eye) or monogamy (a committed sexual relationship to one person), or monopoly (a market controlled by a single company). Monogendered would mean single gender, rather than no gender, and the game tells us that gender is female. Indeed.
But while that's technically true, for an Asari "female" would just mean regular Asari, so in a sense you might as well call them gender-less as for them there's just Asari or non-Asari. (obviously there would be ways to distinguish types of non-Asari, but all that is largely irrelevant as a descriptor to use on an Asari - from the point of view of an Asari)
People claiming that Asari would not have a definition of gender in their mentality completely leaving out probably one of the most important, if not most important, part of the equation - is all life on Thessia is mono-gendered? Because I dont think so. So at the very least they should have developed something similar to definition of gender for their scientific studies of their world. Secondly, knowing that asari are a diplomatic species, and seeing how distinctively feminine are females of other species, it makes it not so hard to believe that Asari could have ultimately identified them as females, at least when in context of contact with other species, to accommodate for better understanding and diplomacy. In any case thinking that a race of probably most advanced and ancient species in the galaxy that can live for millennia and are extremely emphatic, would not be able to accommodate a gender identity if for nothing but to facilitate contact with other spices which appear to be mostly duo gendered, is a little bit ignorant to say the least.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 6, 2017 17:26:55 GMT
Hmmm, we made page 2 without fighting about gender politics... If we can stick to Mass Effect and Asari, let's see where this goes.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 6, 2017 17:27:00 GMT
So she said the word "father" for Shepard's benefit, how is that proving anything exactly?
Hell, she might have said "asdihf hidfwuih" in Asari and Shaperd's implant translated it into "father" as merely the closest translation in english.
And yet she clearly said "father". Even made the comment about not being the mother. That's a helluva lot of mistranslation. It's proving that Asari understand the usage of pronouns. I thought that'd be clear. Not really, it seems more likely the asari have two words for their parents.. One refers to the one who gave birth, and one that refers to the one melded with in order to become pregnant. The latter could equally apply to a female of another species because it describes their role in the creation of the child rather than gender. "Father" and "Mother" are simply the closest human language equivalents given by the translator.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 6, 2017 17:30:20 GMT
Hmmm, we made page 2 without fighting about gender politics... Let's see where this goes. No offence but imho such remarks do only add to a chance that some might start doing it. Its just like sjw talks about racism causing more racism and hate than there originally were to begin with.... just saying...
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2017 17:30:56 GMT
Asari have one gender. That gender is female (in that any asari can "pop one out" as Aethyta puts it)
They do require a partner to reproduce, but that partner can be of any gender. Physical contact isn't even needed. Asari breed via parthenogenesis and only need a partner to randomize genes.
As such, asari have no concept of "male" and female" as being different, since asari reproduction works completely differently, and everyone has the same "parts"
"Male" and "female" is like "left handed" and "right handed" to a species that only has one hand.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:01 GMT
Hehe, I agree that of all the races to worry about pro-noun usage the Asari would be the one less likely to give a flying frack. That sort of stuff would be for all those less evolved species to worry about. Which I already stated numerous times... so glad BW apologized to the snowflakes and Kotaku, though. I guess the apology to their FANS for releasing a an unfinished, sloppy game at full price will be next, right? Any minute now.....
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:20 GMT
I always looked it as the Asari having no gender. That contradicts the codex however. The codex entry on them outright states they're monogendered and female. The prefix mono means one or single, like in the words monocle (a single corrective lens for the eye) or monogamy (a committed sexual relationship to one person), or monopoly (a market controlled by a single company). Monogendered would mean single gender, rather than no gender, and the game tells us that gender is female. Is the Codex from the POV of a human, or an Asari? Yes I am splitting hairs there, but it is one of those things that always was odd because conversations with Asari have contradicted the codex many times since Mass Effect 1.
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Post by kino on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:36 GMT
And yet she clearly said "father". Even made the comment about not being the mother. That's a helluva lot of mistranslation. It's proving that Asari understand the usage of pronouns. I thought that'd be clear. Not really, it seems more likely the asari have two words for their parents.. One refers to the one who gave birth, and one that refers to the one melded with in order to become pregnant. The latter could equally apply to a female of another species because it describes their role in the creation of the child rather than gender. "Father" and "Mother" are simply the closest human language equivalents given by the translator. True. That's a reasonable interpretation of the exchange. Hell, Liara's father even talks of mating with Hanar, implying she was the mother in that case. The usage of father/mother could be an Asari affectation for the benefit of two gendered species, but that would still imply they understand gender specific nomenclature when talking to others.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:50 GMT
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 6, 2017 17:33:52 GMT
Hmmm, we made page 2 without fighting about gender politics... Let's see where this goes. No offence but imho such remarks do only add to a chance that some might start doing it. Its just like sjw talks about racism causing more racism and hate than there originally were to begin with.... just saying... None taken.
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Post by kino on Apr 6, 2017 17:37:35 GMT
And yet she clearly said "father". Even made the comment about not being the mother. That's a helluva lot of mistranslation. It's proving that Asari understand the usage of pronouns. I thought that'd be clear. You are missing the point. She is alien, what she said in Asari might be something like "I'm the bondmate of the one who gave birth to her", and the word "father" is merely an easy translation. She is supposed to be an Alien, not a human. Human concepts of gender are would be foreign to a species that doesn't have the same biological framework to evolve from. (and likely even for species that DID have two genders)
The point is, recognition for the fact that they are actually Aliens is much more thematically appropriate than an inane point about political correctness.
And yet that's not what was said. In one instance she's Liara's father, in another instance she's the mother of a daughter with a Hanar. The implication is that they recognize the usage of gender specific verbs when speaking with two gendered species. That's many things, political correctness isn't one of them.
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Post by sil on Apr 6, 2017 17:37:48 GMT
The fact that I have to make this statement first sucks, but I am entirely for equality regardless of sexuality or gender.
So now that's out the way, I can make a comment. The whole point of aliens are that they present us with an entirely different type of life, entirely different culture, thought patterns, belief systems, and physical presence. What makes them alien is the differences they display, by forcing gender issues onto the asari, a mono-gendered female species who identify using terms such as "matriarch", "huntress", "valkyrie", "sisterhood initiate" and whose children are uniformly labeled as "daughters", it begins to eat away at the very fabric of what makes the species different. The fact that they don't have gender identity issues is something that is alien, because gender-identity and sexual-identity is considered to be a major part of modern western culture in the time we live in, but for the asari it just is not there. Bioware should change it, not because someone may complain of social-justice warriors or anything like that, but to keep with the lore and to keep the asari feeling alien. The more they become human, the more boring they become, and if they become too human why bother even having them in the game?
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