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Post by Artemis on Oct 23, 2017 21:48:02 GMT
To be honest, I see Origins and DA2 Cullen and the Cullen we got in DAI as two different people. I admit the very end of DA2 showed that Cullen wasn't as extreme as Meredith but his change in DAI is a lot to accept. Regardless, I still like DAI Cullen. It just seems that Bioware likes having its blond characters go through character development off screen (Anders, Sera, Cullen) which is weird. Yeah, I thought the progression through DA2 was simply amazing, especially for a minor character. Cullen always felt like a really important character, despite being only second-in-command to the main villain. I'm sure part of that is Greg Ellis' excellent voice acting, AND the fact that he's a really attractive NPC so he stands out. The end of DA2 to DAI, I felt disappointed in, as far as Cullen's character arc goes. I don't know HOW they could've shown what life was like in Kirkwall during that time, but it's something I wanted to see. Perhaps an impossible request? I dunno. Or perhaps I wanted to see more wariness towards mages and magic at the start of DAI in Cullen, and then to see him gradually overcome those feelings completely, as he's past 30 by the end of DAI, and by Trespasser I guess he's about 32. That's a long way from the 18-20 year old he was in DAO. And a long way away from the abuse he suffered. |
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 23, 2017 22:04:50 GMT
To be honest, I see Origins and DA2 Cullen and the Cullen we got in DAI as two different people. I admit the very end of DA2 showed that Cullen wasn't as extreme as Meredith but his change in DAI is a lot to accept. Regardless, I still like DAI Cullen. It just seems that Bioware likes having its blond characters go through character development off screen (Anders, Sera, Cullen) which is weird. Yeah, I thought the progression through DA2 was simply amazing, especially for a minor character. Cullen always felt like a really important character, despite being only second-in-command to the main villain. I'm sure part of that is Greg Ellis' excellent voice acting, AND the fact that he's a really attractive NPC so he stands out. The end of DA2 to DAI, I felt disappointed in, as far as Cullen's character arc goes. I don't know HOW they could've shown what life was like in Kirkwall during that time, but it's something I wanted to see. Perhaps an impossible request? I dunno. Or perhaps I wanted to see more wariness towards mages and magic at the start of DAI in Cullen, and then to see him gradually overcome those feelings completely, as he's past 30 by the end of DAI, and by Trespasser I guess he's about 32. That's a long way from the 18-20 year old he was in DAO. And a long way away from the abuse he suffered. Him being a bit more wary of Mages would have been good. Actually having his character quest involve directly going back to Kirkwall to deal with a problem there like the Templars he left in Kirkwall going rogue and becoming Red Templars, Meredith coming back to live, or Kirkwall mages accusing him of abuse would have been awesome. |
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Post by phoray on Oct 23, 2017 22:13:28 GMT
well, not my business but, as seeing how the conversation is going with lost childs, i'm guessing some wants her Inquisitors pregnant with Cullen baby, doesn't matter if head canon or ingame? :'D :'D :'D Three! |
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 22:23:43 GMT
To be honest, I see Origins and DA2 Cullen and the Cullen we got in DAI as two different people. I admit the very end of DA2 showed that Cullen wasn't as extreme as Meredith but his change in DAI is a lot to accept. Regardless, I still like DAI Cullen. It just seems that Bioware likes having its blond characters go through character development off-screen (Anders, Sera, Cullen) which is weird. In DAO, at start he was a naive boy (~19-20-year-old?), he wanted to protect the mages, the people, he didn't like, how to treat the mages some Templars (he told that to Hawke in DA2, Act1, he would haven't like Meredith's methods before Uldred 6:45). We were seen, what happened in Ferelden Circle: Cullen got PTSD because of Uldred's Abominations and demons. So, he feared the mages better than Fenris ever. Later, his commander, who he respected, and who was paranoid, became an abomination, just as Uldred... So, Cullen sobered, and let Hawke and Anders to run away from Kirkwall. In Inquisition, he still feared to the Mages, but he probably even seen, that Meredith failed with her methods, and slowly he changed (at least try to change). He, himself, was never that cruel, then Meredith, tried to keep his spine. I was not surprised, when I saw, how he behaves in the Inquisition. He still fears from the Mages. But he was seen, what happened in Kirkwall. (And as I wrote above: still his first thought about a mage inquisitor, then he will kill him/her if s/he became an abomination... This tells a lot of everything. His character isn't that inconsistent. What the problem with Anders? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 22:24:05 GMT
well, not my business but, as seeing how the conversation is going with lost childs, i'm guessing some wants her Inquisitors pregnant with Cullen baby, doesn't matter if head canon or ingame? :'D :'D :'D Three! Four, if you like to count his mabari. xD |
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Post by phoray on Oct 23, 2017 22:26:11 GMT
Four, if you like to count his mabari. xD I change my answer to however many children fit on a Mabari |
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Post by Artemis on Oct 23, 2017 22:31:03 GMT
Yeah, I thought the progression through DA2 was simply amazing, especially for a minor character. Cullen always felt like a really important character, despite being only second-in-command to the main villain. I'm sure part of that is Greg Ellis' excellent voice acting, AND the fact that he's a really attractive NPC so he stands out. The end of DA2 to DAI, I felt disappointed in, as far as Cullen's character arc goes. I don't know HOW they could've shown what life was like in Kirkwall during that time, but it's something I wanted to see. Perhaps an impossible request? I dunno. Or perhaps I wanted to see more wariness towards mages and magic at the start of DAI in Cullen, and then to see him gradually overcome those feelings completely, as he's past 30 by the end of DAI, and by Trespasser I guess he's about 32. That's a long way from the 18-20 year old he was in DAO. And a long way away from the abuse he suffered. Him being a bit more wary of Mages would have been good. Actually having his character quest involve directly going back to Kirkwall to deal with a problem there like the Templars he left in Kirkwall going rogue and becoming Red Templars, Meredith coming back to live, or Kirkwall mages accusing him of abuse would have been awesome. I certainly don't believe Cullen actually engaged in any abusive behavior (his character would be irredeemable at that point, and to me there would be no more nuance to his character... he wouldn't be the character we all love) BUT yeah, I think it would have been fascinating for us to have to try and prove the mages wrong, only to discover (perhaps even by admission by Cullen himself) that while he certainly DID NOT participate actively in abuse, he suspected it was going on, yet did nothing about it... and that this fact eats at him to this day. (As his LI you could comfort him or admonish him or even break up with him at this point). Instead we got... "Oh, it's Maddox. Yeah it's a shame he was made tranquil just for having a sweetheart." ... Really, BioWare. |
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 22:35:17 GMT
Him being a bit more wary of Mages would have been good. Actually having his character quest involve directly going back to Kirkwall to deal with a problem there like the Templars he left in Kirkwall going rogue and becoming Red Templars, Meredith coming back to live, or Kirkwall mages accusing him of abuse would have been awesome. I certainly don't believe Cullen actually engaged in any abusive behavior (his character would be irredeemable at that point, and to me there would be no more nuance to his character... he wouldn't be the character we all love) BUT yeah, I think it would have been fascinating for us to have to try and prove the mages wrong, only to discover (perhaps even by admission by Cullen himself) that while he certainly DID NOT participate actively in abuse, he suspected it was going on, yet did nothing about it... and that this fact eats at him to this day. (As his LI you could comfort him or admonish him or even break up with him at this point). Instead we got... "Oh, it's Maddox. Yeah it's a shame he was made tranquil just for having a sweetheart." ... Really, BioWare. I'm really angry, why the mage Inquisitor can't say a word about Maddox's case... But I already said that enough, so... no matter. |
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 23, 2017 22:38:39 GMT
To be honest, I see Origins and DA2 Cullen and the Cullen we got in DAI as two different people. I admit the very end of DA2 showed that Cullen wasn't as extreme as Meredith but his change in DAI is a lot to accept. Regardless, I still like DAI Cullen. It just seems that Bioware likes having its blond characters go through character development off-screen (Anders, Sera, Cullen) which is weird. In DAO, at start he was a naive boy (~19-20-year-old?), he wanted to protect the mages, the people, he didn't like, how to treat the mages some Templars (he told that to Hawke in DA2, Act1, he would haven't like Meredith's methods before Uldred 6:45). We were seen, what happened in Ferelden Circle: Cullen got PTSD because of Uldred's Abominations and demons. So, he feared the mages better than Fenris ever. Later, his commander, who he respected, and who was paranoid, became an abomination, just as Uldred... So, Cullen sobered, and let Hawke and Anders to run away from Kirkwall. In Inquisition, he still feared to the Mages, but he probably even seen, that Meredith failed with her methods, and slowly he changed (at least try to change). He, himself, was never that cruel, then Meredith, tried to keep his spine. I was not surprised, when I saw, how he behaves in the Inquisition. He still fears from the Mages. But he was seen, what happened in Kirkwall. (And as I wrote above: still his first thought about a mage inquisitor, then he will kill him/her if s/he became an abomination... This tells a lot of everything. His character isn't that inconsistent. What the problem with Anders?It's less of a problem with Anders and more to do with his fusing with Justice making him a very different character. Anders was always Pro-Mage but after Justice that largely dominated his personality in DA2 which in my opinion deeply contrasts with his more jokey personality in Awakening. It makes sense I suppose but it is still a 180 transformation. Cullen transformation isn't inconsistent. There's just an obvious change in his character between DA2 and DAI. It's just that him largely turning his back on the Templar Order and the Chantry between the two game is just something we don't see even know it makes sense for his character. |
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Oct 23, 2017 22:48:06 GMT
I certainly don't believe Cullen actually engaged in any abusive behavior (his character would be irredeemable at that point, and to me there would be no more nuance to his character... he wouldn't be the character we all love) BUT yeah, I think it would have been fascinating for us to have to try and prove the mages wrong, only to discover (perhaps even by admission by Cullen himself) that while he certainly DID NOT participate actively in abuse, he suspected it was going on, yet did nothing about it... and that this fact eats at him to this day. (As his LI you could comfort him or admonish him or even break up with him at this point). Instead we got... "Oh, it's Maddox. Yeah it's a shame he was made tranquil just for having a sweetheart." ... Really, BioWare. I'm really angry, why the mage Inquisitor can't say a word about Maddox's case... But I already said that enough, so... no matter. Maybe I should post a "If we could judge Cullen" thread?  The fact of the matter is that even though he likely didn't participate in the abuse he didn't much about it if I recall correctly until it was blatantly clear that Meredith had gone crazy. Hell, I even remember him sort of agreeing with Otto Alrik when it came to expanding the use of the Rite of Tranquility... But hey DAI Cullen is still a cool guy so I guess it's alright. Maybe... |
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
Cullen:In DAO, at start he was a naive boy (~19-20-year-old?), he wanted to protect the mages, the people, he didn't like, how to treat the mages some Templars (he told that to Hawke in DA2, Act1, he would haven't like Meredith's methods before Uldred 6:45). We were seen, what happened in Ferelden Circle: Cullen got PTSD because of Uldred's Abominations and demons. So, he feared the mages better than Fenris ever. Later, his commander, who he respected, and who was paranoid, became an abomination, just as Uldred... So, Cullen sobered, and let Hawke and Anders to run away from Kirkwall. In Inquisition, he still feared to the Mages, but he probably even seen, that Meredith failed with her methods, and slowly he changed (at least try to change). He, himself, was never that cruel, then Meredith, tried to keep his spine. I was not surprised, when I saw, how he behaves in the Inquisition. He still fears from the Mages. But he was seen, what happened in Kirkwall. (And as I wrote above: still his first thought about a mage inquisitor, then he will kill him/her if s/he became an abomination... This tells a lot of everything. His character isn't that inconsistent. What the problem with Anders? It's less of a problem with Anders and more to do with his fusing with Justice making him a very different character. Anders was always Pro-Mage but after Justice that largely dominated his personality in DA2 which in my opinion deeply contrasts with his more jokey personality in Awakening. It makes sense I suppose but it is still a 180 transformation. Cullen transformation isn't inconsistent. There's just an obvious change in his character between DA2 and DAI. It's just that him largely turning his back on the Templar Order and the Chantry between the two game is just something we don't see even know it makes sense for his character. I suppose Cullen didn't turn his back on the Order, especially not the Chantry He left the Order, because he was disappointed, probably, but I'm not sure, rather because the Inquisition tried to do something useful. After, that he turned on Meredith I wasn't surprised. (And at Templar side, he shows, that he can remember what would a Templar's real task...) Anders, Justice and Nathaniel were my main group, so I heard enough his opinions and his jokes. I never saw Anders as so funny boy, rather very angry and sad, ofc. with charm and humor, this was his survival tool, and worked well. I bring him everywhere in DA2, so I see, his humor still there, behind Justice. But Kirkwall, and what happened was not that fun. His personality absolutely consistent with Justice + Anders from Awakening. Justice isn't so funny spirit, never was. Ofc, it just me, but I was amazed. (I have some problem with Hepler's characterization – especially about rivalry/friendship–, mostly very good, and can be interpreted in many way. |
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Post by Catilina on Oct 23, 2017 23:08:29 GMT
I'm really angry, why the mage Inquisitor can't say a word about Maddox's case... But I already said that enough, so... no matter. Maybe I should post a "If we could judge Cullen" thread?  The fact of the matter is that even though he likely didn't participate in the abuse he didn't much about it if I recall correctly until it was blatantly clear that Meredith had gone crazy. Hell, I even remember him sort of agreeing with Otto Alrik when it came to expanding the use of the Rite of Tranquility... But hey DAI Cullen is still a cool guy so I guess it's alright. Maybe... Okay, you wanted... I'm game! (don't provoke me!) He agreed with/accepted a criminal. Meredith was a criminal, this was clear. To Hawke too, but think about Cullen: In Inquisition, Cullen talks about that Meredith made Mages tranquil for lesser "sins" than Maddox's... So: he knew about it. These are big crimes. This is as murder. Meredith knew that Alric is mad (Elthina also) because knew about his "Tranquil solution"... and did nothing. A madman, in a responsible position? Was he able to tranquilizing Karl without Meredith? I'm not sure.... HOW? "Oops! A new Tranquil!", she shrugged and continued her work... Cullen also saw the Tranquils. Harroved mages... I don't buy, he didn't know anything. Cool guy, yes. Knight in Bloody Armor. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 23:22:41 GMT
Four, if you like to count his mabari. xD I change my answer to however many children fit on a Mabari Hahaha, i laughed i'll admit it. I was about to post a cheesy image, not quite the image you picture in your quote, but a start. Andraste's ass, what in the blazes this fangirl thread is making me search lol. i need to cut it off. switching thread* |
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Post by Artemis on Oct 23, 2017 23:25:14 GMT
I'm really angry, why the mage Inquisitor can't say a word about Maddox's case... But I already said that enough, so... no matter. Maybe I should post a "If we could judge Cullen" thread?  The fact of the matter is that even though he likely didn't participate in the abuse he didn't much about it if I recall correctly until it was blatantly clear that Meredith had gone crazy. Hell, I even remember him sort of agreeing with Otto Alrik when it came to expanding the use of the Rite of Tranquility... Yuuuuuup. In fact I recall distinctly having to defend his character to those who would point all the troubling things that he had done and said. To me, the fact that Cullen was NOT a perfect angel is what made him interesting. I always had a hard time explaining to the haters that Cullen being a very grey, nuanced character is the main reason why I love him so much and wanted to hear more from him (i.e. see him become a main character in the next game). I got my wish, just seems a lot of the nuanced faded away.  To be fair, I think most if not all of the DAI characters suffered from this... too many companions/main NPCs and too lengthy/meandering a story, so the writing suffered to some degree, and none of the characters (for the most part) were allowed to fully blossom. |
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 23, 2017 23:36:48 GMT
Four, if you like to count his mabari. xD Five. Count me in  There are some fanart floating in pinterest on him being an awsome Dad  And my mind went.. "Headcanon accepted" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 0:51:18 GMT
 Did somebody mention cute Cullen babies? 
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Post by melbella on Oct 24, 2017 1:40:17 GMT
To be honest, I see Origins and DA2 Cullen and the Cullen we got in DAI as two different people. I admit the very end of DA2 showed that Cullen wasn't as extreme as Meredith but his change in DAI is a lot to accept. Regardless, I still like DAI Cullen. It just seems that Bioware likes having its blond characters go through character development off screen (Anders, Sera, Cullen) which is weird.
I think it's the lyrium, and the fact he stopped using it. Lyrium is used in the Rite of Tranquility and cuts off not just access to magic but also a Tranquil's emotions. Who knows what kind of heebeejeebee is done to the lyrium that Templars take, but it has to be more than a simple potion.
This is what allows them to do their jobs with no emotional baggage and, as a convenient side effect, gets them addicted so they have to keep taking it. The more they take it, the deader they become inside. Depending on the psychological makeup of the individual, this could also effectively turn them into sociopaths like Alrik.
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Post by Artemis on Oct 24, 2017 3:09:16 GMT
Write out: [ spoiler ] *paste image here* [ /spoiler ] Remove spaces  Alternatively, you can highlight the picture after you paste it and click the spoiler button above. All the way to the right. |
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Post by close2myheart on Oct 24, 2017 3:39:33 GMT
Write out: [ spoiler ] *paste image here* [ /spoiler ] Remove spaces Alternatively, you can highlight the picture after you paste it and click the spoiler button above. All the way to the right. Oh okay Artie thx a million. Probably try to experiment with my previous post ^^' |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Oct 24, 2017 13:44:21 GMT
posting some cute Cullrian rotoscope, I found it long time ago but I dunno the artist, if you are seeing this you are great  I have another one somewhere but I cant find it  |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Oct 24, 2017 15:50:07 GMT
posting some cute Cullrian rotoscope, I found it long time ago but I dunno the artist, if you are seeing this you are great I have another one somewhere but I cant find it That’s a lovely picture! Didn’t know what rotoscope wa so had to look it up. Wiki said it was a long process by the artist - kind of amazing as someone that is doing an animated short as last college project I can confirm you that requires a lot of work! there're several artists in tumblr that do this, and it's amazing!!!  link
link (a lot of NSFW gifs there) edit. no! this artist is not the one with NSFW rotoscopes lol totally mixed them, is this onelook FENRIS!!!   link
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Post by Artemis on Oct 24, 2017 15:51:41 GMT
Those are really lovely...
I actually am not into Cullrian yet for some reason put it in my latest solavellan fic. I dunno why I did that?! Somehow every time I write solavellan Cullrian sneaks in. *shakes fist*
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Oct 24, 2017 16:07:35 GMT
Those are really lovely... I actually am not into Cullrian yet for some reason put it in my latest solavellan fic. I dunno why I did that?! Somehow every time I write solavellan Cullrian sneaks in. *shakes fist* My Quizzy and Bull totally ship them, they could heal their wounds and past demons together and it would be so lovely |
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Post by phoray on Oct 24, 2017 16:55:55 GMT
bah, link to tumblr doesn't work because I don't tumble.
Is that Alistair and Cullen?
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To be fair, I think most if not all of the DAI characters suffered from this... too many companions/main NPCs and too lengthy/meandering a story, so the writing suffered to some degree, and none of the characters (for the most part) were allowed to fully blossom.
Did somebody mention cute Cullen babies? 
