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Post by mordrek on Apr 10, 2017 22:52:33 GMT
I found Ryder boring and childish. I also found the "pathfinder" concept clunky, reminds me of a silly take on the Pathfinder Operations course. My vote would be for a new protagonist
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Post by unwanted on Apr 11, 2017 6:32:47 GMT
If Shep were to play chess with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep were to go fisticuffs with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep was to partake in a drinking contest with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win.
Why? Because Shep has the renegade option.
What we need is a 'Bring back Shep' post.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 11, 2017 6:34:42 GMT
If Shep were to play chess with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep were to go fisticuffs with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep was to partake in a drinking contest with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. Why? Because Shep has the renegade option. So did Ryder. I have counted at least 4 in my PT so far. 3 of them if they were in the trilogy would have been among the worse things Shepard could have done during a Renegade decision.
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Post by unwanted on Apr 11, 2017 6:36:53 GMT
If Shep were to play chess with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep were to go fisticuffs with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep was to partake in a drinking contest with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. Why? Because Shep has the renegade option. So did Ryder. I have counted at least 4 in my PT so far. 3 of them if they were in the trilogy would have been among the worse things Shepard could have done during a Renegade decision. Narr! Ryder can talk the talk, but only Shep can walk the walk. Sheps a war hero, the Ryder's are school children.
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Post by mordrek on Apr 11, 2017 6:50:30 GMT
If Shep were to play chess with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep were to go fisticuffs with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep was to partake in a drinking contest with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. Why? Because Shep has the renegade option. So did Ryder. I have counted at least 4 in my PT so far. 3 of them if they were in the trilogy would have been among the worse things Shepard could have done during a Renegade decision. You are really comparing the stupid crap Ryder can do to the epicness of Shepard? Tali, jumping off a cliff to her death? Having Garrus shoot Ashley? Letting the entire council die? I mean... come on, Ryder can give a guy a flesh wound, and let Drack drop a scumbag, oh and get in a bar fight. That is a joke by comparison. And last but not least the epic renegade romances with Jack and Miranda. Nothing like some hate banging on damaged women.
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Post by Archangel on Apr 11, 2017 6:56:35 GMT
Keep Ryder, we need to see him/her grow. Also, as much as I liked Shepderloo, Casual/emotional Ryder showed more personality in one game than he managed in three.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 11, 2017 7:03:58 GMT
So did Ryder. I have counted at least 4 in my PT so far. 3 of them if they were in the trilogy would have been among the worse things Shepard could have done during a Renegade decision. You are really comparing the stupid crap Ryder can do to the epicness of Shepard? Tali, jumping off a cliff to her death? Having Garrus shoot Ashley? Letting the entire council die? I mean... come on, Ryder can give a guy a flesh wound, and let Drack drop a scumbag, oh and get in a bar fight. That is a joke by comparison. And last but not least the epic renegade romances with Jack and Miranda. Nothing like some hate banging on damaged women. That scumbag had already surrendered and gave the Pathfinder everything they knew already with the promiss of more in the future. And the option to drop them off the cliff didn't happen until after all this happened. I don't know about you but that is something I would call pure evil. Not just renegade we are talking about extra renegade. Like what Shepard did to that commando on Korlus.
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 11, 2017 7:08:22 GMT
Cosigned.
Ryder and crew's story is just getting started. There is so much more potential with the characters that needs to be realized.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 11, 2017 7:10:58 GMT
Besides Mordek and gang correct me if I am wrong: The Garrus descision in ME 3 was a result of inaction on Shepard's part. IE Shepard tried to play nice with a Ashley who wouldn't back down on the Citadel so Garrus had to shoot her. Hardly a 'renegade action' and something Shepard actually did not do on their own. And the Tali decision...while horrible...was not by itself strictly speaking a renegade option because for you to get that scene you would have had to pick the Geth over the Quarians and had utterly failed to get peace. You would have had to have been comitting genocide against one race or another either way...which again is both more on the renegade/ evil side of the spectrum.
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Post by mordrek on Apr 11, 2017 7:18:16 GMT
You are really comparing the stupid crap Ryder can do to the epicness of Shepard? Tali, jumping off a cliff to her death? Having Garrus shoot Ashley? Letting the entire council die? I mean... come on, Ryder can give a guy a flesh wound, and let Drack drop a scumbag, oh and get in a bar fight. That is a joke by comparison. And last but not least the epic renegade romances with Jack and Miranda. Nothing like some hate banging on damaged women. That scumbag had already surrendered and gave the Pathfinder everything they knew already with the promiss of more in the future. And the option to drop them off the cliff didn't happen until after all this happened. I don't know about you but that is something I would call pure evil. Not just renegade we are talking about extra renegade. Like what Shepard did to that commando on Korlus. It's like letting Jeffrey Dahmer die. No one cares but his Mom, and even she probably didn't.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 11, 2017 7:21:11 GMT
That scumbag had already surrendered and gave the Pathfinder everything they knew already with the promiss of more in the future. And the option to drop them off the cliff didn't happen until after all this happened. I don't know about you but that is something I would call pure evil. Not just renegade we are talking about extra renegade. Like what Shepard did to that commando on Korlus. It's like letting Jeffrey Dahmer die. No one cares but his Mom, and even she probably didn't. Fine, ok, its still evil. And would have been right up there with the most evil things that you can do in the trilogy. I mean if an Armenian Village is wiped out and no one is around to hear about it...did said village still get wiped out? Is it not still an atrocity?
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Post by mordrek on Apr 11, 2017 20:19:53 GMT
It's like letting Jeffrey Dahmer die. No one cares but his Mom, and even she probably didn't. Fine, ok, its still evil. And would have been right up there with the most evil things that you can do in the trilogy. I mean if an Armenian Village is wiped out and no one is around to hear about it...did said village still get wiped out? Is it not still an atrocity? That's just silly. How is killing a murderer, who just tried to kill you evil? Evil is killing innocent, people, and children. Stuff like that. There's nothing evil about killing a murderer. I'm sitting here laughing, you realize to get to this a-hole you just killed like 50 of his nameless goons who he sent to kill you. If you believe that's evil, you shouldn't be playing shooter games.
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Post by canuckgamer on Apr 11, 2017 20:31:38 GMT
I hereby want to put forward my reasons for Bioware to retain Pathfinder Ryder as protagonist for Mass Effect's next installement. The popular reception and commercial succes of the Mass Effect trilogy has demonstrated what the benefits of a continuous protgonist for a series can be. Mass Effect mangement to accomplish a sense of attachment to the characters and the world in a way no other video game series has achieved before. The fact that relationships and decisions would carry over from installement to the next added to the commitment of players to their protagonist. The culmination of said relationships in Mass Effect 3 would not have been possible without the setup in the earlier games. With Pathfinder Ryder we have only just begun to scratch the surface of his/her journey, moreover, we have been introduced to a great cast of new side characters that yet to reach their full potential, there's an entire galaxy full of oppertunities left to explore. Regardless of people's opinions of Mass Effect: Andromeda, we must recognize that starting over once again is a less than ideal option. A sequel outside the Andromeda galaxy would face all the challenges that his game went and render the game inconsequential as a result. Any potential sequel that takes place in Andromeda should have Pathfinder Ryder as it's lead character, they have been our conduit into the universe for one game allready. everything we've experienced so far has been through their eyes and through their actions. Taking away Ryder would not just result in losing the character itself, it would also nullify all the build up relationships so far and any sense of achievement the player might have. While they may still get to see decisions carry over, it is the personal connection of het player to narrative that has gotten Mass Effect it's critical acclaim and popularity, without a continuous protagonist in place that sense of connection and commitment to the world will largely be lost. Above all, Ryder and his companions deserve the same chance that Shepard his team got to develop, the career of the ME1 characters wasn't cut short after one game, they went on and succesfully managed to put their stamp on the world of video games. Therefore, it is in Mass Effect's best interests' that Pathfinder Ryder will remain the protagonist for the next game of the franchise. I can agree with this. I like Ryder, I like that he is young and leaves the option for the game to jump ahead as much as 10 years for the sequel. Your Ryder is a little older, more seasoned and you get a chance to see everything you accomplished. Like previous games I would like to see some companions move to an NPC role and some remain companions. I liked that Kaiden and Ashley weren't companions in 2 but became an option in 3. I liked that Garrus did return. It gave new companions, new romance options, and got to show off their individual growth and how they were impacted by their journey's with you. However, if the game jumped ahead 100 years, where I could still see the impact of my choices, but open up more of Andromeda to a new character that could work as well for me. Still keeps Andromeda, still get to see the outcome, get a new cast to meet and learn about. However, without a doubt my preference remains for Ryder to return. I want more opportunities to be a cocky and sarcastic to random aliens.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 11, 2017 20:41:46 GMT
So did Ryder. I have counted at least 4 in my PT so far. 3 of them if they were in the trilogy would have been among the worse things Shepard could have done during a Renegade decision. You are really comparing the stupid crap Ryder can do to the epicness of Shepard? Tali, jumping off a cliff to her death? Having Garrus shoot Ashley? Letting the entire council die? I mean... come on, Ryder can give a guy a flesh wound, and let Drack drop a scumbag, oh and get in a bar fight. That is a joke by comparison. And last but not least the epic renegade romances with Jack and Miranda. Nothing like some hate banging on damaged women. Lol I like how all of the examples are someone else doing things.
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Post by Zatche on Apr 11, 2017 22:23:57 GMT
You are really comparing the stupid crap Ryder can do to the epicness of Shepard? Tali, jumping off a cliff to her death? Having Garrus shoot Ashley? Letting the entire council die? I mean... come on, Ryder can give a guy a flesh wound, and let Drack drop a scumbag, oh and get in a bar fight. That is a joke by comparison. And last but not least the epic renegade romances with Jack and Miranda. Nothing like some hate banging on damaged women. Lol I like how all of the examples are someone else doing things. And that Tali jumps off a cliff when you choose the Paragon option
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Post by Evanoel on Apr 12, 2017 1:27:13 GMT
However, without a doubt my preference remains for Ryder to return. I want more opportunities to be a cocky and sarcastic to random aliens. F Yeah! Cocky and sarcastic Ryder is the best Ryder.
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Post by jpcab on Apr 12, 2017 3:46:04 GMT
If Shep were to play chess with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep were to go fisticuffs with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. If Shep was to partake in a drinking contest with Ryder the wimp, Shep would always win. Why? Because Shep has the renegade option. What we need is a 'Bring back Shep' post. U have it already bsn.boards.net/thread/5554/shepard
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 12, 2017 3:55:03 GMT
I said before, if a follow up story is already on the drawing board, then by all means follow that plan.
If brand new story line is being developed anyway, I would rather see something new. I see no reason to contraint the writer's creative process with someone who isn't even liked by a large part of the fan base.
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Post by doch on Apr 12, 2017 4:00:35 GMT
Next installment: All new story, from scratch. Or put my Ryder in a new environment with a whole new crew. Although I'd keep Peebee and Drack.
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 12, 2017 7:02:02 GMT
Unless they decide to let us play as other races, otherwise I'll take Ryder over any other new human protagonist,even Shepard(because there is no way they could bring Shepard to Andromeda without butchering everything about Shepard).
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 12, 2017 7:03:14 GMT
Ryder can stay, but his companions needs to go. Anywhere, even back to the Milky Way. Ok, PeeBee and Drack can stay.
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