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Post by kumazan on Apr 10, 2017 23:01:18 GMT
Comparing is inevitable, I do it all the time myself. Now as for the treatment, meh. Some will, others won't. What do I care though, other people's opinion doesn't affect my enjoyment or lack thereof of entertainment media.
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 10, 2017 23:03:09 GMT
If it wants to avoid prequel comparisons then follow it up with a sequel that learns from it's mistakes. Follow it up with another mixed bag and then we'll truly enter a whole new level of disillusionment. That's even if this team gets the chance to do a sequel.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 10, 2017 23:09:25 GMT
The prequel was a metric fuckton better than TFA, and it was as cringe-worthy as MEA in many cases. Diminishing expectations and depressed standards of quality are rampant these days, not that anyone gives a singular damn.
As for the subject of this thread, it is stupid, sorry.
Star Wars was around for over 20 years before the prequel dropped. I know, I was alive for all of it. Comparing Mass Effect to Star Wars in this way is, for lack of a more descriptive term, silly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 23:09:33 GMT
If anything, this poll greatly reflects the possibility of encountering of a more or less objective opinion about the game on this forum... :) Well, if you were wanting a validation for your own negative feelings and were disappointed, it indicates that you were prejudged when putting the poll together. So, turn about is a fair play. Objective and emotions towards a work of art/entertainment do not mix. I would apologize for loving all four Mass Effect games if I felt I am in the wrong. Or if my enjoyment somehow infringed the rights to be a disappointed customer. But I do not feel that way. I love all four games of ME franchise.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 10, 2017 23:22:57 GMT
Maybe. Though at least ME OT is actually deep and layered, unlike the flat simplicity of Star Wars IV-VI. The extended universe always trounced the original trilogy because it had far better writing, pacing, and depth.
I like the OT... but isn't a perfect cinematic experience like some make it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 23:31:16 GMT
I voted who cares, but I have seen it already. This is just like the D1 and D2 people droning on about how they hated D3. S addest part about those hypocrites is that they complain and compare all day while putting in thousands of hours in a game they swear they hate. I see that already with this game. I don't think the bolded makes a person a hypocrite. They've already paid for the game after all, so why not finish it? You're not getting your money's worth otherwise. I've completed games I wasn't liking both because I already paid for it, and because sometimes your opinion of a game might change the more you play it. Sometimes games get off to a rough start and improve later. And then sometimes they don't. There's only one way to find out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 23:35:31 GMT
OK yeh, I can see the similarities.
Peebee and Ja Ja Binks, both annoying as fuck.
Actually that's all I've got, tell you what though speaking of Star Wars what I wouldn't give for a proper droid squadmate like HK 47 from KOTOR.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 10, 2017 23:37:43 GMT
When you say prequels,do you mean 1-3 or 1-6? The way it sounds is 1-6 is the prequels even though 1-3 are.
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Post by vomder on Apr 11, 2017 0:58:17 GMT
If there is anymore to this series and it's the same "quality" as this trainwreck/planecrash, it will always be inferior. Even with that full retard ending of ME3.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 11, 2017 1:16:34 GMT
I voted who cares, but I have seen it already. This is just like the D1 and D2 people droning on about how they hated D3. S addest part about those hypocrites is that they complain and compare all day while putting in thousands of hours in a game they swear they hate. I see that already with this game. I don't think the bolded makes a person a hypocrite. They've already paid for the game after all, so why not finish it? You're not getting your money's worth otherwise. I've completed games I wasn't liking both because I already paid for it, and because sometimes your opinion of a game might change the more you play it. Sometimes games get off to a rough start and improve later. And then sometimes they don't. There's only one way to find out. Honestly I have a really hard time finishing games I don't like. Fallout 3 was a game I just could not get into at all, and it didn't help that it was ridiculously ugly to look at. I gave up after a couple of hours. Of course, it was long enough to doom the poor schlubs at Megaton.
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Post by pantherdane on Apr 11, 2017 2:20:10 GMT
I voted who cares, but I have seen it already. This is just like the D1 and D2 people droning on about how they hated D3. S addest part about those hypocrites is that they complain and compare all day while putting in thousands of hours in a game they swear they hate. I see that already with this game. I don't think the bolded makes a person a hypocrite. They've already paid for the game after all, so why not finish it? You're not getting your money's worth otherwise. I've completed games I wasn't liking both because I already paid for it, and because sometimes your opinion of a game might change the more you play it. Sometimes games get off to a rough start and improve later. And then sometimes they don't. There's only one way to find out. BS, it doesn't take thousands of hours to complete a game and get your moneys worth. It would take 125 days (over 4 months), playing 8 solid hours EVERY DAY to equal a thousand hours. Who plays that much? Obsessed fanbois that love a game. I'm talking about people that aren't just completing the game, they have played for hours and hours and hours, day in and day out, months, even years, complaining about every little thing they "hate" but just cant stop playing. Its the same as some people did with ME3, they complained about everything they possibly could as they played it for years and many of them are probably on here doing the same thing. The reason there is no longer a Official Bioware forum is because the people were so toxic during ME3 and the so called "fanbase" was (and still is) huge. Hypocrites. . they got their moneys worth and STILL
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 11, 2017 2:33:08 GMT
If I get time I want to do a couple of comparisons using videos.
This is more of a pseudo reboot than a sequel. Meridian Nomad, Ilos and the Mako for example.
There are plenty more.
I would argue that ME:A is actually inferior to what we've seen before in terms of scale and narrative impact.
But.
That might simply be down to inexperience, timing and the generally messy nature of the games creation and construction.
ME:A has no excuse for not being better than the OT.
All the tools were there to make that possible.
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Post by goishen on Apr 11, 2017 2:37:18 GMT
I am, that's for sure. While I don't feel it "raped my childhood", I do feel a deep sense of disappointment at them. BioWare should'a looked at this game and said, "It's crap?!" and started over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 3:11:46 GMT
ME1 will always be my favorite. Not for combat. But for the feelings it created: that wonder, that 'OMG I can change outcomes?', the music, the immersion, the characters. I realize now that they might never be able to get that again because simply put, they are not really working from scratch. When you create something from scratch, you work to get all the parts right (hopefully). Here they copy paste way too much of it. They didn't even work hard to get the music, the character look, the story right for this one. Nothing they did feels like they really even tried to get truly fresh with it. But here was a perfect chance. It was a new galaxy. All new characters. New everything except for the races. They could have recaptured our hearts again while adding in a little bit of the goodness of ME1-3. But they didn't because they don't think like that. They don't stop and look at it from a truly fresh perspective of what would be perfect here and feel right there. It ends up being a copy/paste job because they want to keep MEA close enough to MET that they seem genuinely afraid to let it truly be new and fresh at all, and that is where I think it might cost them a bit in the end.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 11, 2017 3:36:36 GMT
ME1 will always be my favorite. Not for combat. But for the feelings it created: that wonder, that 'OMG I can change outcomes?', the music, the immersion, the characters. I realize now that they might never be able to get that again because simply put, they are not really working from scratch. When you create something from scratch, you work to get all the parts right (hopefully). Here they copy paste way too much of it. They didn't even work hard to get the music, the character look, the story right for this one. Nothing they did feels like they really even tried to get truly fresh with it. But here was a perfect chance. It was a new galaxy. All new characters. New everything except for the races. They could have recaptured our hearts again while adding in a little bit of the goodness of ME1-3. But they didn't because they don't think like that. They don't stop and look at it from a truly fresh perspective of what would be perfect here and feel right there. It ends up being a copy/paste job because they want to keep MEA close enough to MET that they seem genuinely afraid to let it truly be new and fresh at all, and that is where I think it might cost them a bit in the end. To be quite fair, it was virtually impossible for MEA to recapture the awe and wonder of ME1. Not only was that the game that established the franchise, but that was the first modern BioWare RPG. ME1 had the first voiced protagonist for BioWare. ME1 had the dialogue wheel. ME1 was set up to be the start of a trilogy, where one's choices would have consequence and affect the next two games. There were so many firsts with ME1, regardless of its horrible combat and empty open worlds, that it was a game changer for western RPGs. Mass Effect was so successful that it even affected the Dragon Age franchise after DAO. I never had expectations that MEA was ever really going to "reinvent the wheel." What I was hoping for was taking the best aspects of each ME game while also adding new features. MEA largely did that, albeit the execution was less than stellar in some areas. BioWare definitely stumbled here and there, but MEA is still very much a Mass Effect game. I also invested well over 100 hours on my first PT on Insanity (I spent half of that in each of the previous games) and I enjoyed every minute of it. I was just happy to be in one of my favorite franchises again. Moving forward, hopefully BioWare can improve on what I believe is a solid foundation and truly make the amazing game everybody wanted. That's what happened for many with ME2 after all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 3:48:36 GMT
Yeah, I don't expect them to reinvent the wheel, but we have a whole new game in the series that is meant quite deliberately to be new and fresh, but they really didn't come at it new and fresh. Not that I don't like the game. I love it. But I don't have any of that awe and wonder for it. I did still have it with ME2 and ME3 (to a lesser degree in ME3 because nothing about it was really as fresh except the combat which to me was some awe and wonder). Maybe it's just that ME1 really was impressive to me. It was my first RPG and one of my very first video games. I was not a kid. I was an adult. I only play a few games now - a handful since 2012. MEA is going to be a favorite. I know that. I just don't get that feel I got with ME1. That said, I love my male Ryder more than any other male character so far except Geralt, my witcher. I never like male shepard due to bad voice acting. Femshep was my fave. So that's a huge win for me here, that I am playing a male character and enjoying him (which is funny because it seems like more than a few aren't a fan of his, but he is my favorite, right up there with witcher).
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 11, 2017 3:50:44 GMT
They already do.
I did say that Andromeda is really the Force Awakens of Mass Effect.
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Post by goishen on Apr 11, 2017 3:56:16 GMT
This game was a perfect way for them to at least quiet the haters of the endings, by simply creating a new plot device (like say the mutiny, only where we would be involved in it) and making the characters yell and howl at each other.
Instead no. What do we get? We get the care bears version of the MEU. Like I've said before, unless you address something at least tangentially it allows hate to continue to spread.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 11, 2017 3:58:50 GMT
But Synthesis already has a lock on the care bear stare.
As for hate spreading, there was never any stopping that. The fanbase is not unlike the scourge.
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Post by shermos on Apr 11, 2017 15:09:59 GMT
Probably, though I always thought of Mass Effect as the Star Trek of video games. I'd say a more apt analogy would be the comparison between pre JJ Abrams Star Trek and post.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 11, 2017 16:35:04 GMT
I don't think the bolded makes a person a hypocrite. They've already paid for the game after all, so why not finish it? You're not getting your money's worth otherwise. I've completed games I wasn't liking both because I already paid for it, and because sometimes your opinion of a game might change the more you play it. Sometimes games get off to a rough start and improve later. And then sometimes they don't. There's only one way to find out. BS, it doesn't take thousands of hours to complete a game and get your moneys worth. It would take 125 days (over 4 months), playing 8 solid hours EVERY DAY to equal a thousand hours. Who plays that much? Obsessed fanbois that love a game. I'm talking about people that aren't just completing the game, they have played for hours and hours and hours, day in and day out, months, even years, complaining about every little thing they "hate" but just cant stop playing. Its the same as some people did with ME3, they complained about everything they possibly could as they played it for years and many of them are probably on here doing the same thing. The reason there is no longer a Official Bioware forum is because the people were so toxic during ME3 and the so called "fanbase" was (and still is) huge. Hypocrites. . they got their moneys worth and STILL this post, lol. pantherdane, you just spewed some toxicity, no irony in that right?
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 11, 2017 16:37:20 GMT
Probably, though I always thought of Mass Effect as the Star Trek of video games. I'd say a more apt analogy would be the comparison between pre JJ Abrams Star Trek and post. There was a video I watched awhile ago about the endings of ME3, and the guy brought that up. ME is basically science talk like Star Trek due to its nature of explaining everything.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 11, 2017 17:52:21 GMT
Yeah, I don't expect them to reinvent the wheel, but we have a whole new game in the series that is meant quite deliberately to be new and fresh, but they really didn't come at it new and fresh. Not that I don't like the game. I love it. But I don't have any of that awe and wonder for it. I did still have it with ME2 and ME3 (to a lesser degree in ME3 because nothing about it was really as fresh except the combat which to me was some awe and wonder). Maybe it's just that ME1 really was impressive to me. It was my first RPG and one of my very first video games. I was not a kid. I was an adult. I only play a few games now - a handful since 2012. MEA is going to be a favorite. I know that. I just don't get that feel I got with ME1. That said, I love my male Ryder more than any other male character so far except Geralt, my witcher. I never like male shepard due to bad voice acting. Femshep was my fave. So that's a huge win for me here, that I am playing a male character and enjoying him (which is funny because it seems like more than a few aren't a fan of his, but he is my favorite, right up there with witcher). Truth be told, I think it was less for BioWare about really doing something "new" and having an excuse for the game to not be called "ME4." The game is really just the "best of" the original trilogy plus some new features. BioWare knew the comparisons would happen, but some separation from the original trilogy likely made it easier on the team to not chase hype and anticipation they could never reach. I love Ryder's personality, and I think the VA is spot on. The sarcasm and constant quips is right up my ally, largely because that's the kind of sense of humor I have, so I can really connect. Geralt will always be one of my favorites as well, largely because I started with the original Witcher game and saw him grow and develop over the course of the trilogy. I always chose his dry humor option as well, to give a bit a humor to what many would have thought was an emotionless character.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 11, 2017 18:06:21 GMT
I think it is difficult to avoid it and Shepard is of course going to be the best character ever. Personally I like Ryder a lot more because Shepard was too much of a soldier and there was no way to play it differently.
The problem with ME:A is not really the characters per se but the reused story. I was kinda expecting that your father would be alive and looking for a way to make the planets viable and still the pathfinder. You would be in the ground crew scouting other planets, helping outposts, looking for the arcs. Somehow middle to final game your father gets incapacitated(not dead because that is like all games ever) and you assume the role because you work for it.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 11, 2017 20:40:33 GMT
I think it is difficult to avoid it and Shepard is of course going to be the best character ever. Personally I like Ryder a lot more because Shepard was too much of a soldier and there was no way to play it differently. The problem with ME:A is not really the characters per se but the reused story. I was kinda expecting that your father would be alive and looking for a way to make the planets viable and still the pathfinder. You would be in the ground crew scouting other planets, helping outposts, looking for the arcs. Somehow middle to final game your father gets incapacitated(not dead because that is like all games ever) and you assume the role because you work for it. It's the Force Awakens of Mass Effect, it's pretty good characters with a lighter tone and story following the familiar beats of it's predecessors to provide a basic framework to fall back on that makes it boring and sort of services the world building for the future. BioWare has been doing this since Baldur's Gate, along with the world building and character interactions we tend to see. The only game that breaks this sort of standard story-beats is Dragon Age 2 in terms of it's narrative, because it was such a different beast comparatively to the rest of the games as of late. We can only hope the next game is different enough from that formula...but BioWare is going to keep playing it safe since they got smacked down every time they tried to do something different, for good and bad reasons alike.
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