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Post by timebean on Apr 11, 2017 21:23:18 GMT
That's the case with all of the Milky way races. Ya, I 100% agree. Compare the feeling of ME1's characters to ME:A's and it just doesn't make sense, and the story takes place all of 2-4 years of "time" apart. Amazing how the Turians don't hate the humans anymore... we're all BFF's. No more Racism, or hardcore military based hate for a war we just fought with them. Asari, have just turned into blue human women. Completely lost their space vixen mystique. (I blame that on the SJW crowd) Krogan, aka Space Sharks, have been almost completely defanged. Salarians, probably the closest to the ME1 vibe. You know, that is a really good point that I didn't even think about. I think of Krogans through the series, and it seems fine. But after Me1? Hmm... ME1 krogans trusting salarian Tann and the rest of the Nexus leadership to give them a voice in the politics if they fight rebels for them? Yeah right. Think what Wrex demanded before he would agree to get them to help the reapers? The friggen reapers! And even that still required Eve's voice to rally the other clans. Me1 krogans not going through weird adjustments in all living together as a single clan now? WITH the females? Nothing said about it except the most ineffectual power play in the history of the game (the stupid Morda fight). And also...ME1 turians who are just fine with letting a human pathfinder call the shots? When they were so concerned about the ability of a human to be spectre? It's a little too easy, in'it? Not one asari in a position of power on the nexus? Asari. The ones who found the damned citadel. Even if we argue they all died in the initial events...c'mon. And where the hell are the matriarchs? At least that could help us tell a few of them apart (via boob size). Even if we make the argument that more liberally-minded individuals would be the ones to leave on the Arks for a new galaxy, its a helluva stretch. Still like Drack tho.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 0:59:27 GMT
That's the case with all of the Milky way races. Ya, I 100% agree. Compare the feeling of ME1's characters to ME:A's and it just doesn't make sense, and the story takes place all of 2-4 years of "time" apart. Amazing how the Turians don't hate the humans anymore... we're all BFF's. No more Racism, or hardcore military based hate for a war we just fought with them. Asari, have just turned into blue human women. Completely lost their space vixen mystique. (I blame that on the SJW crowd) Krogan, aka Space Sharks, have been almost completely defanged. Salarians, probably the closest to the ME1 vibe. They put more effort into ensuring you can have sex with aliens than they did making sure those species were worthy of being called aliens. At this point aliens serve one function in Mass Effect: Sex fodder.
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 12, 2017 8:06:20 GMT
Ya, I 100% agree. Compare the feeling of ME1's characters to ME:A's and it just doesn't make sense, and the story takes place all of 2-4 years of "time" apart. Amazing how the Turians don't hate the humans anymore... we're all BFF's. No more Racism, or hardcore military based hate for a war we just fought with them. Asari, have just turned into blue human women. Completely lost their space vixen mystique. (I blame that on the SJW crowd) Krogan, aka Space Sharks, have been almost completely defanged. Salarians, probably the closest to the ME1 vibe. You know, that is a really good point that I didn't even think about. I think of Krogans through the series, and it seems fine. But after Me1? Hmm... ME1 krogans trusting salarian Tann and the rest of the Nexus leadership to give them a voice in the politics if they fight rebels for them? Yeah right. Think what Wrex demanded before he would agree to get them to help the reapers? The friggen reapers! And even that still required Eve's voice to rally the other clans. Me1 krogans not going through weird adjustments in all living together as a single clan now? WITH the females? Nothing said about it except the most ineffectual power play in the history of the game (the stupid Morda fight). And also...ME1 turians who are just fine with letting a human pathfinder call the shots? When they were so concerned about the ability of a human to be spectre? It's a little too easy, in'it? Not one asari in a position of power on the nexus? Asari. The ones who found the damned citadel. Even if we argue they all died in the initial events...c'mon. And where the hell are the matriarchs? At least that could help us tell a few of them apart (via boob size). Even if we make the argument that more liberally-minded individuals would be the ones to leave on the Arks for a new galaxy, its a helluva stretch. Still like Drack tho. I think what you are forgetting here is that the Andromeda Initiative is an organisation that people joined not something that they were forced to do Any Turian's who signed up to the AI would have to be ok with a human in charge because Jien Garson was in charge of the whole thing, if they weren't okay with that they wouldn't have joined. Any Krogan that joined would have to be looking for something different and had to be okay with men & women living together because that was the point. And by reading the notices in New Tuchanka, we know that they were having some adjustment issues that they were working through. The Nexus had a pretty clear line of succession, most of the Matriarchs on the Nexus were probably in Jien Garson leadership team and they all died, as did the Asari Pathfinder. Peebee also says that alot of Matriarchs can be very stuck in their ways, which backs up what Aethyta said about them in ME2, so how many would join up in the first place? Probably not that many. The Andromeda Initiative is not like the Citadel Council, it didn't form over thousands of years, it was purpose built and driven forward by Jien Garson and her inner circle. People were specifically selected & recruited for it or applied and were vetted. Anyone who was willing to make the journey would have to be a more unsual memeber of their species.
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 12, 2017 11:32:11 GMT
You know, that is a really good point that I didn't even think about. I think of Krogans through the series, and it seems fine. But after Me1? Hmm... ME1 krogans trusting salarian Tann and the rest of the Nexus leadership to give them a voice in the politics if they fight rebels for them? Yeah right. Think what Wrex demanded before he would agree to get them to help the reapers? The friggen reapers! And even that still required Eve's voice to rally the other clans. Me1 krogans not going through weird adjustments in all living together as a single clan now? WITH the females? Nothing said about it except the most ineffectual power play in the history of the game (the stupid Morda fight). And also...ME1 turians who are just fine with letting a human pathfinder call the shots? When they were so concerned about the ability of a human to be spectre? It's a little too easy, in'it? Not one asari in a position of power on the nexus? Asari. The ones who found the damned citadel. Even if we argue they all died in the initial events...c'mon. And where the hell are the matriarchs? At least that could help us tell a few of them apart (via boob size). Even if we make the argument that more liberally-minded individuals would be the ones to leave on the Arks for a new galaxy, its a helluva stretch. Still like Drack tho. I think what you are forgetting here is that the Andromeda Initiative is an organisation that people joined not something that they were forced to do Any Turian's who signed up to the AI would have to be ok with a human in charge because Jien Garson was in charge of the whole thing, if they weren't okay with that they wouldn't have joined. Any Krogan that joined would have to be looking for something different and had to be okay with men & women living together because that was the point. And by reading the notices in New Tuchanka, we know that they were having some adjustment issues that they were working through. The Nexus had a pretty clear line of succession, most of the Matriarchs on the Nexus were probably in Jien Garson leadership team and they all died, as did the Asari Pathfinder. Peebee also says that alot of Matriarchs can be very stuck in their ways, which backs up what Aethyta said about them in ME2, so how many would join up in the first place? Probably not that many. The Andromeda Initiative is not like the Citadel Council, it didn't form over thousands of years, it was purpose built and driven forward by Jien Garson and her inner circle. People were specifically selected & recruited for it or applied and were vetted. Anyone who was willing to make the journey would have to be a more unsual memeber of their species. This. The AI was founded on people getting along. Would be really stupid to bring the most resentful clan of krogan to another galaxy...
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 12, 2017 11:47:45 GMT
That's the case with all of the Milky way races. Ya, I 100% agree. Compare the feeling of ME1's characters to ME:A's and it just doesn't make sense, and the story takes place all of 2-4 years of "time" apart. Amazing how the Turians don't hate the humans anymore... we're all BFF's. No more Racism, or hardcore military based hate for a war we just fought with them. Asari, have just turned into blue human women. Completely lost their space vixen mystique. (I blame that on the SJW crowd) Krogan, aka Space Sharks, have been almost completely defanged. Salarians, probably the closest to the ME1 vibe. Hold on…our introduction into the asari was a space prostitute. C'mon.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 12:38:19 GMT
Ya, I 100% agree. Compare the feeling of ME1's characters to ME:A's and it just doesn't make sense, and the story takes place all of 2-4 years of "time" apart. Amazing how the Turians don't hate the humans anymore... we're all BFF's. No more Racism, or hardcore military based hate for a war we just fought with them. Asari, have just turned into blue human women. Completely lost their space vixen mystique. (I blame that on the SJW crowd) Krogan, aka Space Sharks, have been almost completely defanged. Salarians, probably the closest to the ME1 vibe. Hold on…our introduction into the asari was a space prostitute. C'mon. And we're still talkin about her. *Sips Ryncol*
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 12, 2017 12:50:45 GMT
Hold on…our introduction into the asari was a space prostitute. C'mon. And we're still talkin about her. *Sips Ryncol* what makes you think we won't be talking characters in MEA 10 years from now?
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 12:56:24 GMT
And we're still talkin about her. *Sips Ryncol* what makes you think we won't be talking characters in MEA 10 years from now? Did i Say that? I don't think I said that? *looks* Nope, never said that.
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 12, 2017 13:08:01 GMT
what makes you think we won't be talking characters in MEA 10 years from now? Did i Say that? I don't think I said that? *looks* Nope, never said that. I thought it was implied by your statement 'and yet we're still talking about her' the implicating being that we wouldn't be talking about MEA Asari in 10 years time. If you didn't mean to imply that, then my mistake.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 13:15:11 GMT
Did i Say that? I don't think I said that? *looks* Nope, never said that. I thought it was implied by your statement 'and yet we're still talking about her' the implicating being that we wouldn't be talking about MEA Asari in 10 years time. If you didn't mean to imply that, then my mistake. A prostitute that you remember years later must be pretty damn good at her job is all I'm saying, kid. *Sips Ryncol*
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Post by timebean on Apr 12, 2017 13:29:01 GMT
You know, that is a really good point that I didn't even think about. I think of Krogans through the series, and it seems fine. But after Me1? Hmm... ME1 krogans trusting salarian Tann and the rest of the Nexus leadership to give them a voice in the politics if they fight rebels for them? Yeah right. Think what Wrex demanded before he would agree to get them to help the reapers? The friggen reapers! And even that still required Eve's voice to rally the other clans. Me1 krogans not going through weird adjustments in all living together as a single clan now? WITH the females? Nothing said about it except the most ineffectual power play in the history of the game (the stupid Morda fight). And also...ME1 turians who are just fine with letting a human pathfinder call the shots? When they were so concerned about the ability of a human to be spectre? It's a little too easy, in'it? Not one asari in a position of power on the nexus? Asari. The ones who found the damned citadel. Even if we argue they all died in the initial events...c'mon. And where the hell are the matriarchs? At least that could help us tell a few of them apart (via boob size). Even if we make the argument that more liberally-minded individuals would be the ones to leave on the Arks for a new galaxy, its a helluva stretch. Still like Drack tho. I think what you are forgetting here is that the Andromeda Initiative is an organisation that people joined not something that they were forced to do Any Turian's who signed up to the AI would have to be ok with a human in charge because Jien Garson was in charge of the whole thing, if they weren't okay with that they wouldn't have joined. Any Krogan that joined would have to be looking for something different and had to be okay with men & women living together because that was the point. And by reading the notices in New Tuchanka, we know that they were having some adjustment issues that they were working through. The Nexus had a pretty clear line of succession, most of the Matriarchs on the Nexus were probably in Jien Garson leadership team and they all died, as did the Asari Pathfinder. Peebee also says that alot of Matriarchs can be very stuck in their ways, which backs up what Aethyta said about them in ME2, so how many would join up in the first place? Probably not that many. The Andromeda Initiative is not like the Citadel Council, it didn't form over thousands of years, it was purpose built and driven forward by Jien Garson and her inner circle. People were specifically selected & recruited for it or applied and were vetted. Anyone who was willing to make the journey would have to be a more unsual memeber of their species. All fair points. I forgot about those terminal posts (some of them were really funny!) Still...even with some hard-core vetting, I imagine it would be hard for Krogan to let go of what, almost 1000 years of being oppressed? (sorry, don't know when the rachni wars were off the top of my head). And I would also imagine that many of the Krogan came for change to cure the genophage more than anything else, which was supposed to happen while they were in cryo. And some resentment/prejudices are still there...look at how Tann talks about the Krogan, for example. Look at Spencer. And Krogans seem to me to be more of the grudge-holding types. But I guess it is not even the logic of it that bothers me. It is the somewhat wasted opportunity to touch on some of the more sensitive issues that plaque the Milky Way species, and to offer a more complete picture of who these folks are for new players. Nonetheless, I do think the Krogan were fairly well portrayed in this game, overall. Hell, at least they all looked different from one another!
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 12, 2017 13:38:04 GMT
Ya, I 100% agree. Compare the feeling of ME1's characters to ME:A's and it just doesn't make sense, and the story takes place all of 2-4 years of "time" apart. Amazing how the Turians don't hate the humans anymore... we're all BFF's. No more Racism, or hardcore military based hate for a war we just fought with them. Asari, have just turned into blue human women. Completely lost their space vixen mystique. (I blame that on the SJW crowd) Krogan, aka Space Sharks, have been almost completely defanged. Salarians, probably the closest to the ME1 vibe. They put more effort into ensuring you can have sex with aliens than they did making sure those species were worthy of being called aliens. At this point aliens serve one function in Mass Effect: Sex fodder. Exactly. Oh how I wish we could have had aliens like the Rachni or Thorian in MEA; aliens that at least had some intellectual thought put into their perspectives and general 'otherness'; rather than having everything being a human in a rubber mask who's only purpose is to be digital f*** toys.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 12, 2017 13:47:08 GMT
Anyone ever see Demolition Man? Maybe the krogan got cryo-hypnotized to be lamer more productive members of the expedition. Would legit laugh if that was revealed. what makes you think we won't be talking characters in MEA 10 years from now? That's a little generous. The trilogy had some pretty nice variation and interesting characters for the fanservices space babe race, from the brainwashed public figure to the young and naive acheologist to Scarface in space minus the drugs. MEA's memorable asari thus far is the one time they got one of the sexiest actresses of the time with both genuine talent and nerd cred over 9000 and completely squandered her, the Hamburgler that turned out better than most people expected and the Attack of the Clones otherwise.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 14:13:33 GMT
I think what you are forgetting here is that the Andromeda Initiative is an organisation that people joined not something that they were forced to do Any Turian's who signed up to the AI would have to be ok with a human in charge because Jien Garson was in charge of the whole thing, if they weren't okay with that they wouldn't have joined. Any Krogan that joined would have to be looking for something different and had to be okay with men & women living together because that was the point. And by reading the notices in New Tuchanka, we know that they were having some adjustment issues that they were working through. The Nexus had a pretty clear line of succession, most of the Matriarchs on the Nexus were probably in Jien Garson leadership team and they all died, as did the Asari Pathfinder. Peebee also says that alot of Matriarchs can be very stuck in their ways, which backs up what Aethyta said about them in ME2, so how many would join up in the first place? Probably not that many. The Andromeda Initiative is not like the Citadel Council, it didn't form over thousands of years, it was purpose built and driven forward by Jien Garson and her inner circle. People were specifically selected & recruited for it or applied and were vetted. Anyone who was willing to make the journey would have to be a more unsual memeber of their species. This. The AI was founded on people getting along. Would be really stupid to bring the most resentful clan of krogan to another galaxy... Because clan Nakmor are so not resentful and peace loving.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 12, 2017 21:41:02 GMT
I have loved the Krogan since I met the first one all those years ago and that didn't change in ME:A until last night and now I am not sure what to think. I went up to the quest Hunting the Archon before I stopped pushing forward and turned all my attention to the planets we can go to. Elaaden was the last one for me and up to and through to the end of that planets questline I was pro Krogan and I didn't hide that fact. Then I did the Hunting the Archon quest and now things are all up in the air and for those who have done that quest know why.
I can accept the fact that they would be upset with my choice and it wasn't one that I made without some thought but all of the work I had done for the Krogan people and for Drack and Kesh none of it seemed to even matter or more likely remembered. I don't even get the chance to explain why I did what I did. All I hear was how everyone still has it out for the Krogan and no one cares blah blah blah. Now Drack won't even talk to me and even passive-aggressively threatened me and this has broken my heart. For the first time in a LONG time I am actually considering loading an old save and redoing that mission and picking the other choice just so I can have my friend back.
I doubt it matters but for those that know what I am talking about could I get Drack to like me again if I had saved Elaaden until after Hunting the Archon quest?
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 12, 2017 21:49:48 GMT
Though I generally agree with our ryncol addicted OP, I have to admit that my favorite krogan in Andromeda is Vorn, the botanist (come on, how could he not be). That said, Vorn would have worked even better as a character in the context of the old krogan, more contrast.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 12, 2017 21:52:39 GMT
MEA's memorable asari thus far is the one time they got one of the sexiest actresses of the time with both genuine talent and nerd cred over 9000 and completely squandered her Could someone explain that? I'm not up to date on whatever it is he is referring to here.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 12, 2017 22:01:12 GMT
MEA's memorable asari thus far is the one time they got one of the sexiest actresses of the time with both genuine talent and nerd cred over 9000 and completely squandered her Could someone explain that? I'm not up to date on whatever it is he is referring to here. I believe the reference is to Lexi and her VA:
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 12, 2017 22:10:18 GMT
Ah I had no idea that Natalie VA'ed Lexi. Thanks.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 13, 2017 0:01:20 GMT
MEA's memorable asari thus far is the one time they got one of the sexiest actresses of the time with both genuine talent and nerd cred over 9000 and completely squandered her Could someone explain that? I'm not up to date on whatever it is he is referring to here. Read my sig it will explain what you're missing.
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