Favourite Gun Tournament - Complete

I understand you enjoy more Raider,but wraith is just better weapon,get over it.

U got try it on the tsol then, as i get sniper spread and accuracy

There are different ways of evaluating efficacy though, including individual player skill, experience with variety, hosting issues, head knowledge etc. I'm not in the same skill bracket as Loufi or The Doctor. I don't solo and I don't host. I rarely play Platinum. But I'm a good Gold team player with what can only objectively be described as a massive amount of mostly pugging experience at 3k hours, and yet I am remarkably ineffective with the Wraith. I'm not a total scrub and I don't have much left to L2P at this stage, but I find its refire delay and kick hard to manage, and spend an inordinate amount of time attempting to reload cancel, more often than not after a single shot. When I add my misgivings over its sound to the equation, I'm left slightly perplexed by the amount of love it receives, and have to conclude that it's maybe just a better weapon for solos, when you are the player who chooses your targets without the interference of teammates or lag. In team games, I always find there to be a better option. You could name absolutely any character and I would have a favourite weapon which wouldn't be the Wraith. And if you were making the claim that the Wraith is a better gun than my favourite, I still believe that in every circumstance I could propose an alternative which actually is objectively better than it. I also always run low on Shotgun amps, and as such I subjectively regard the Claymore, Crusader, Graal, Raider, Venom and Piranha as being more deserving of them.

To show that I'm debating here and definitely not arguing, or engaging in a wind-up, I am keen to hear from the Wraith fans which characters they instinctively want to use it on as the 'best' option. I know it can be used on every character, but what I see is a relatively generic weapon with a couple of quirks I don't like. And I say that as someone who has banked more than 2 million off-host points with each of the Kishock, Crusader and Graal, so it's not that I'm intolerant of quirks. And please bear in mind what I said about being off-host in a UUG team, as 3 out of every 4 players are actually in my position. 

As things stand I would prefer either the Raider or Talon (with power booster + Grenade Gear for OP lols in the latter's case) on the Drell, while there is no way in hell my Krentinel ever rolls with anything other than a Claymore!

But I appreciate the suggestion for the Drell so I'll give it a go, cheers.

^^^ wow well said!

There is absolutely no accounting for the expertise developed in many hours of familiarity. I learned the joy of the Wraith long before the High Lord, because early on I was under so much pressure I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn too often. Only after I understood the game did I worship the High Lord - the Wraith was already my right hand.

Also why I loved the Saber early on, very forgiving.

Why I love them now? Extra shots, extra kills.

Btw, KS is probably top three most played for me, and he used to only carry Claymore/Scorpion. Now he carries whatever gun I want to play with - the dude is a beast with any weapon in the game, has so many playstyles according to build, is just the danged most fun in the game 60% of the time.

If weight isn't a factor, why would ANYBODY take the Wraith over the Claymore? That's like taking the Predator instead of the Phalanx.

All these arguements about Wraith being better on ANY character because it is light is BS. Yes, it's better on characters who CARE about weight, but that's all. When weight isn't a factor (Say, Flamerless GT or Destroyer), Claymore is better than the Wraith.

There is NO universally best gun for all characters in this game. You can praise your precious Harriers or Wraiths or Hurricanes all you like for their power:weight ratios, but that doesn't make them better on ALL characters.

Exactly, one is a decent all-around weapon, the very essence of "good, not great", and the other is a face-ripping DPS machine, second only to that pseudo-shotgun abomination the Reegar (and 100x more stylish). Not even a fair matchup, really- sort of like making the golden gloves under-18 champion face off against Mike Tyson or something. 

(Except the Venom of course... but I assume that part sort of went without saying)

I thought Loufi was PS3

Also, I don't prefer the Raider (or the Wraith for that matter). Each gun has its own place. Reegar and Raider are a better comparison, one that is likely won or lost in personal preference regarding boom-factor. Raider vs Wraith is more a discussion of effective range of the weapon vs comfortable range for the player, which is a purely subjective arguement which can never be resolved. The other "fair" comparison is Wraith vs Claymore, which is another likely won or lost in boom-factor.

Also, I find it insulting that gamers and devs still view controllers as a "handicap". If I didn't have to battle issues caused by RAM limitations and BioWare's massively insulting (and non-functional) "aim-assist" (More like aim-ass), I'd be the equal of any PC gamer in the HS department. Just because PC gamers can't adapt to a Controller, it doesn't mean nobody can. If you can't aim well with a controller, that's YOUR problem. And it's attitudes like that that lead to bullshit like the aim-ass we have to deal with on PS3.

I am sorry, Arkhne, if I have offended, but my observation had nothing to do with you, it came from my own experience...
Indeed it's my problem that I can't aim well with a controller, thanks for pointing that out. 

Sorry, it wasn't directed at you personally, just a generalization. Maybe 20 years ago controllers were a handicap, but the tech has come a long way, and a lot of people have had time to adjust to it, it is an acquired skill, and yet Devs keep forcing "assists" on us because of this "perceived" "handicap". I stand by my statement of being equal in skill to a PC gamer, regardless of our chosen mode of input. My single biggest challenge is fighting the aim-ass.