Favourite Gun Tournament - Complete

Let us summarize:

The High Lord proves once again that He is hotter than sex and more than just a religion, everybody acknowledges the Javelin and Wraith, Typhoon and Black Widow are all-time favorites, Mantis finds a spot next to good weapons, because how can you fire once that rifle and not think all the hours you have sunk the last decade into this franchise. The Reetard gets exactly what it deserves, I'm so proud of you, BSN.

Many thanks for the tournament LoonySpectre , it was really fun. Can you please send a copy of these results to:

"BioWer, A division of EA, 4445 Calgary Trail NW #200, Edmonton, AB T6H 5R7, Canada"

This should be copied, stickied, spread far and wide. This is the kind of crap gamers should never have to deal with. And BioWare added insult to injury in not letting is turn it off.

There are different ways of evaluating efficacy though, including individual player skill, experience with variety, hosting issues, head knowledge etc. I'm not in the same skill bracket as Loufi or The Doctor. I don't solo and I don't host. I rarely play Platinum. But I'm a good Gold team player with what can only objectively be described as a massive amount of mostly pugging experience at 3k hours, and yet I am remarkably ineffective with the Wraith. I'm not a total scrub and I don't have much left to L2P at this stage, but I find its refire delay and kick hard to manage, and spend an inordinate amount of time attempting to reload cancel, more often than not after a single shot. When I add my misgivings over its sound to the equation, I'm left slightly perplexed by the amount of love it receives, and have to conclude that it's maybe just a better weapon for solos, when you are the player who chooses your targets without the interference of teammates or lag. In team games, I always find there to be a better option. You could name absolutely any character and I would have a favourite weapon which wouldn't be the Wraith. And if you were making the claim that the Wraith is a better gun than my favourite, I still believe that in every circumstance I could propose an alternative which actually is objectively better than it. I also always run low on Shotgun amps, and as such I subjectively regard the Claymore, Crusader, Graal, Raider, Venom and Piranha as being more deserving of them.

To show that I'm debating here and definitely not arguing, or engaging in a wind-up, I am keen to hear from the Wraith fans which characters they instinctively want to use it on as the 'best' option. I know it can be used on every character, but what I see is a relatively generic weapon with a couple of quirks I don't like. And I say that as someone who has banked more than 2 million off-host points with each of the Kishock, Crusader and Graal, so it's not that I'm intolerant of quirks. And please bear in mind what I said about being off-host in a UUG team, as 3 out of every 4 players are actually in my position. 

If weight isn't a factor, why would ANYBODY take the Wraith over the Claymore? That's like taking the Predator instead of the Phalanx.

All these arguements about Wraith being better on ANY character because it is light is BS.
I don't think anybody said that. There are certainly kits for whom the Claymore is better than the Wraith (human soldier, for example).

Yes, it's better on characters who CARE about weight, but that's all. When weight isn't a factor (Say, Flamerless GT or Destroyer), Claymore is better than the Wraith.
But... that's a lot of characters. Basically most adepts, engineers, sentinels and vanguards. Even some soldiers.

There is NO universally best gun for all characters in this game. You can praise your precious Harriers or Wraiths or Hurricanes all you like for their power:weight ratios, but that doesn't make them better on ALL characters.

Agreed, and that's a good thing. Those weapons, as well as Arc (not great for CQC kits) and Talon (suffers a little on very big maps) have their flaws too.

Hmm, two kills faster than Claymore on all mooks.... Most kits in the game use powers, some depend on them. Agreed.

So, GI Claymore or GI Wraith, which kills faster?

Anyone care to do Gold solos, for science? My money is on the Wraith for faster time.

I believe I said once(once Johnny) that with the lag fix the Crusader was the best gun in the game.

Question answered.

HFA gives her true measure with wraith, well it s my favourite weapon on her

LoonySpectre : OP could be updated with final standings ? or did i miseed them ?

I believe I said once(once Johnny) that with the lag fix the Crusader was the best gun in the game.

Question answered.

The record with talon is 17:57 i think.It was setted by Heldarion.

Alquinn is barred from this discussion

He is just too good.

I did say Gold though, and that was for my reasons... I play mostly gold, Platinum can be dull and carrying off-host is a burden at times.

Specifically, and I guess I should do it - since I'm a legit scrub and I proposed it - two GI Gold solos, one Wraith one Claymore, and see which is faster.

I will use AP IV, Adrenaline 3, Targeting VI with Shotgun Gear on both.

I will report in a few hours I suppose.