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Post by DoctorFox on Apr 14, 2017 18:48:42 GMT
The paint/tattoo Sloane has on her face looks completely retarded in the new version. It makes her look like she has a mustache.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 14, 2017 18:51:45 GMT
Fair enough. But Sloane is only a quarter as smart as Reyes because luring an enemy into a trap where he has the advantage, and kill them is how a smart man kills his enemy. As a woman, if I had to kill an opponent who was physically stronger than me, I'd have to rely on intelligence to do so, and avoid physical confrontation. I have no issues with how Reyes killed his enemy. When you want to assassinate someone under a parley, you are not smart, its undermining everything you stand for before, and actually give me all more the reason to see Sloan in a different light, and Reyas as a coward, sneaky bastard that cant be trusted at all. Sloan has her flaws but still some kind of honour, Reyas has non after the failed assassination attempt. Oops, someone didn't watch the Godfather.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 14, 2017 18:53:21 GMT
When you want to assassinate someone under a parley, you are not smart, its undermining everything you stand for before, and actually give me all more the reason to see Sloan in a different light, and Reyas as a coward, sneaky bastard that cant be trusted at all. Sloan has her flaws but still some kind of honour, Reyas has non after the failed assassination attempt. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Sloane has honor?! Hilarious. Bitch went down like the dog she is. She had to be put down for the good of Andromeda. In fact, Sloane's real name is Cujo. LOL. Aside from that though, having no honor is not the same thing as not being smart. Basically you can be a coward, sneaky bastard AND be smart. I think Reyes is a sneaky bastard AND smart, but don't see the coward angle you keep complaining about. I suppose he was smart enough not to start singing "The Rains of Castamere"?
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Post by jli84 on Apr 14, 2017 20:48:40 GMT
Reyes is way worse than a sneaky bastard. Did you find the collective torture chamber? As one of those beeing tortured stated: "at least Sloane doesn't play with her food." Edit: just realized this is the general forum and not spoiler section. Spoilertags people... Yeah, and Reyes is still no worse than Sloane: As I understand it, the so called Collective "torture chamber" is filled with terrorists. One of the "inmates" set up bombs around the port to murder a bunch of people. The "torture" appears to be beatings -- no worse than Sloane, who beats people who can't pay up. I did find a building in the Badlands where Collective agents cut off an Outcast's fingers, but Sloane does the same thing to some guy in her little prison! Again, Reyes proves to be no worse than Sloane, just smarter, and I can't fault him for that. That's not the one... I'm talking about the building with a room with blood all over the floor and walls (with a chair in the centre) and a hidden door, behind which there's a body and an audiolog). According to SAM the blood comes from several individuals.
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Post by timebean on Apr 14, 2017 21:09:54 GMT
In regards to honor... What honor did Sloane have? She was supposed to protect folks on the Nexus as head of security, and she turned traitor. And even IF she was a noble traitor, protecting the weak against Tann and his cronies, she turned into a total space pirate who beats, tortures, and exiles folks who can't meet her demands or pay for her protection. From the moment I met her in the game, I vowed that I would take her out no matter how I had to do it. And if that meant siding with a cunning scumbag, so be it. A life without honor = a death without honor. Wow...I sound so hard core! In regards to the clip, I have just started my play-though as a casual/emotional type. I am kinda dreading this scene, as it is stupid as hell with the interrupt. I may go logical again on this particular scene, as it is a little more realistic (and has a good bit of smart-assness to it).
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 14, 2017 22:09:25 GMT
The paint/tattoo Sloane has on her face looks completely retarded in the new version. It makes her look like she has a mustache. this. I thought she's a biker. And all the problems with the scene remain... it's simply stupid and would be stupid if all the characters looked great (they don't).
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 14, 2017 23:02:24 GMT
Not to mention sloane went from being newly packaged black cabbage patch kid to black cabbage patch kid after being bought by a toddler with a new set of Crayons
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Post by klijpope on Apr 15, 2017 1:40:09 GMT
The paint/tattoo Sloane has on her face looks completely retarded in the new version. It makes her look like she has a mustache. That's scarring from exposure to the Scourge. SAM mentions something about a helmet in game, and you bump into other folk with similar scarring, but I mainly got this info from the Nexus Uprising book, FYI.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 15, 2017 7:08:49 GMT
Yeah, and Reyes is still no worse than Sloane: As I understand it, the so called Collective "torture chamber" is filled with terrorists. One of the "inmates" set up bombs around the port to murder a bunch of people. The "torture" appears to be beatings -- no worse than Sloane, who beats people who can't pay up. I did find a building in the Badlands where Collective agents cut off an Outcast's fingers, but Sloane does the same thing to some guy in her little prison! Again, Reyes proves to be no worse than Sloane, just smarter, and I can't fault him for that. That's not the one... I'm talking about the building with a room with blood all over the floor and walls (with a chair in the centre) and a hidden door, behind which there's a body and an audiolog). According to SAM the blood comes from several individuals. Yeah that's the second one I mentioned where the audiolog shows some guy screaming bc the Collective is snapping off an Outcast's fingers for info. In that case, the Collective was torturing Outcast agents. No big. I didn't meet a single Outcast I liked.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 15, 2017 7:17:14 GMT
You know... the more disagreements and debates like Reyes/Sloane I see, the more comfortable I an saying Andromeda lives up to the Mass Effect name. Reminds me of Ash/Kaiden and Council/Screw em! debates. Good times.
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Post by ayenari on Apr 15, 2017 7:49:25 GMT
I just want to know why they did what they did to her face going from the preview up until launch.
I just don't understand how anyone could think those eyes and that tattoo looked better. Actually, bioware have no ideas what a good tattoo looks like at all. Every single option in the character creator is absolutely dreadful if you want one.
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Post by andromedamnit on Apr 15, 2017 7:53:32 GMT
You know... the more disagreements and debates like Reyes/Sloane I see, the more comfortable I an saying Andromeda lives up to the Mass Effect name. Reminds me of Ash/Kaiden and Council/Screw em! debates. Good times. Exactly - much more interesting when there is no clear cut good vs evil option. I am hoping there'll be some Omega-esque DLC in the future where you can really get into the Reyes and Sloane backstories/personalities and make a more informed decision during the duel scene. Does feel like they only scratched the surface with Sloane especially.
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Post by Invellous on Apr 15, 2017 9:17:22 GMT
In regards to honor... What honor did Sloane have? She was supposed to protect folks on the Nexus as head of security, and she turned traitor. And even IF she was a noble traitor, protecting the weak against Tann and his cronies, she turned into a total space pirate who beats, tortures, and exiles folks who can't meet her demands or pay for her protection. From the moment I met her in the game, I vowed that I would take her out no matter how I had to do it. And if that meant siding with a cunning scumbag, so be it. A life without honor = a death without honor. Wow...I sound so hard core! In regards to the clip, I have just started my play-though as a casual/emotional type. I am kinda dreading this scene, as it is stupid as hell with the interrupt. I may go logical again on this particular scene, as it is a little more realistic (and has a good bit of smart-assness to it). I think a lot of folks forget that part about Sloane. She was not only head of security but a decorated soldier from the sounds of it. Sloane did the worst thing a person of that background could do, betray those who trusted her to do her job. Loyalty, something it is said by numerous NPCs that she holds above all else she did not exhibit. Then she goes straight pirate. Has people beaten, thrown in the unforgiving badlands to die and generally speaking is just a example of a bad soldier. That said, she did establish the Outcasts, and create stability. She cares about her people now, which makes you wonder what happened with the Nexus? I know there is some comic relating to do that or story but have not read it. Reyes does lie to you, and work from the shadows. And believe me I was not cool with how the stand off goes down and for a while I sat there trying to decide which of the two were the less of two evils. Decided on Reyes because he has a good sales pitch, I guess. He seems to be a guy doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. That said, I am curious to see how far this opportunistic will go in the next game. I suspect either him or Keatus(SP?) will be out for revenge. It just another plotline that shows that not everything is going to be black and white in this series, which is a good thing and it fits the theme in Kadara where a lot of plots will leaves you biting your bottom lip. --- Back to the topic... Yeah, the disarm is pretty weak, like the turian has zero effort put into his grip and just lets it go. Hardened space pirate? I think not. Like a lot of the animations it did not get 'fixed' or tweaked. Something went wrong with the process, that is for sure with plenty of videos made by more knowledgeable folks stating as such. I hoping Bioware fixes that as did some of the early game scenes which looks to have been touched up by hand rather than generated by adjusting values in their system. Maybe it will be fixed, one can only hope. I plan to play through it again if they do.
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Post by chey on Apr 15, 2017 9:51:32 GMT
I'm not a fan of Sloane but I wasn't about to let someone get executed in front of me and do nothing about it.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 15, 2017 12:01:06 GMT
In regards to honor... What honor did Sloane have? She was supposed to protect folks on the Nexus as head of security, and she turned traitor. And even IF she was a noble traitor, protecting the weak against Tann and his cronies, she turned into a total space pirate who beats, tortures, and exiles folks who can't meet her demands or pay for her protection. From the moment I met her in the game, I vowed that I would take her out no matter how I had to do it. And if that meant siding with a cunning scumbag, so be it. A life without honor = a death without honor. Wow...I sound so hard core! In regards to the clip, I have just started my play-though as a casual/emotional type. I am kinda dreading this scene, as it is stupid as hell with the interrupt. I may go logical again on this particular scene, as it is a little more realistic (and has a good bit of smart-assness to it). I can't speak for other people, but when I say honor, I'm not talking about Reyes or Sloane, I'm talking about Ryder. Sara thought it was cowardly and without any sort or honor even among adversaries, or in street terms, it was a bitch move. Reyes called her there and wanted to settle in one on one. That's what should have happened, mano e mano.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 15, 2017 12:26:45 GMT
In this case, honor is pretty nonsense. I mean, if my end goal is to permanently remove someone from a position of power, I wouldn't be interested in a fair fight; I'd be interested in a cheap and easy way to get it done. Fuck Sloane.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 15, 2017 12:41:49 GMT
I'm not a fan of Sloane but I wasn't about to let someone get executed in front of me and do nothing about it. I went in fully intending to let her die if the opportunity presented itself. From Ryder's perspective, Sloane came off as little more than a glorified mob boss living in an acidic hellhole that forced people to pay to live there or they'd be booted out into the wilds (like that girl who almost became cannibal chow), and didn't seem like the type of person who would be particularly cooperative if I wanted to establish a settlement somewhere on Kadara. To ensure the Initiative's success, I would have permitted much worse for her and her lot. It's why I didn't feel bad about that turian Reyes puts in a cell either.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 15, 2017 12:49:14 GMT
Yea as far as my Ryder is/was concerned Sloane was already dead. She just didn't know it yet. Reyes may be a problem going forward but for now and for Kadara he is the lesser of two evils. I may start a character in the future who will see it differently, who knows.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 15, 2017 12:57:10 GMT
I'm not a fan of Sloane but I wasn't about to let someone get executed in front of me and do nothing about it. I went in fully intending to let her die if the opportunity presented itself. From Ryder's perspective, Sloane came off as little more than a glorified mob boss living in an acidic hellhole that forced people to pay to live there or they'd be booted out into the wilds (like that girl who almost became cannibal chow), and didn't seem like the type of person who would be particularly cooperative if I wanted to establish a settlement somewhere on Kadara. To ensure the Initiative's success, I would have permitted much worse for her and her lot. It's why I didn't feel bad about that turian Reyes puts in a cell either. But as bad as Sloane was, I always knew where I stood with her. It was kind of like Katniss and Snow in the Hungar Games, where he would always say I thought we agreed never to lie to each other, so if anything she could believe what he was telling her. I always knew exactly where I stood with Sloane. Reyes on the other hand, I had just literally two minutes earlier lost any trust I had in him. He lied to you, used you for his ow agenda, and proved himself completely untrustworthy. You don't know what you were going to get from him at that point. If it just came down picking one at that point I would have chosen Sloane, "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't".
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Post by zeypher on Apr 15, 2017 13:01:18 GMT
So you would intentionally choose someone who is a pirate in all respects vs someone who actually trys to make things better just cause of honor? Thats messed up.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 15, 2017 13:08:31 GMT
So you would intentionally choose someone who is a pirate in all respects vs someone who actually trys to make things better just cause of honor? Thats messed up. No, I'll choose someone who I know what I'm getting from over someone I don't. Not even talking about the fight anymore, just in general. If I've just found out you've been lying to me from pretty much the moment we met, why would I take your word on anything you say you'll do for me in the future.
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Post by Invellous on Apr 15, 2017 13:11:52 GMT
See, that was my original thinking. With Sloane I knew where we stood. She is / was a straight shooter. I can respect that. But what little of her motive you are given and her clear disdain for the Initiative made her dangerous, more so when she goes pirate. I gave Reyes crap about it but eventually lightened up cause he seems to have good intentions. Will he be a backstabber later on? Who knows.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 15, 2017 13:24:02 GMT
See, that was my original thinking. With Sloane I knew where we stood. She is / was a straight shooter. I can respect that. But what little of her motive you are given and her clear disdain for the Initiative made her dangerous, more so when she goes pirate. I gave Reyes crap about it but eventually lightened up cause he seems to have good intentions. Will he be a backstabber later on? Who knows. This is my exact point though. It boils down to do you believe that if you pay Sloane a portion of your what you make that the people you bring down will be in a protected, Kett free area. If so, which I did, I'd pick her. You need a safe place for people urgently, and this was one, even if it was just for the short term. With Reyes however, you don't know what you'll get once you bring people down because my Ryder couldn't trust a word he said anymore.
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Post by Invellous on Apr 15, 2017 13:31:18 GMT
See, that was my original thinking. With Sloane I knew where we stood. She is / was a straight shooter. I can respect that. But what little of her motive you are given and her clear disdain for the Initiative made her dangerous, more so when she goes pirate. I gave Reyes crap about it but eventually lightened up cause he seems to have good intentions. Will he be a backstabber later on? Who knows. This is my exact point though. It boils down to do you believe that if you pay Sloane a portion of your what you make that the people you bring down will be in a protected, Kett free area. If so, which I did, I'd pick her. You need a safe place for people urgently, and this was one, even if it was just for the short term. With Reyes however, you don't know what you'll get once you bring people down because my Ryder couldn't trust a word he said anymore. A fair point! My Ryder saw Sloane as just too dangerous. While Reyes's methods were less than ideal they were no less effective. Moreover Reyes seemed 'sincere' in his desire for peace and understanding of the bigger picture. Is he worried, oh definitely. I felt it was one of the better plot lines if only because you, the player, have plenty of reason to believe that either side is gonna come back and bite you in the rear. I hope that in the next game the losing side comes back for revenge and pulls one over on your Ryder. Maybe even kill someone. Would be a good twist in the story and make for a fun chain that ends with a man hunt.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 15, 2017 13:35:32 GMT
So you would intentionally choose someone who is a pirate in all respects vs someone who actually trys to make things better just cause of honor? Thats messed up. No, I'll choose someone who I know what I'm getting from over someone I don't. Not even talking about the fight anymore, just in general. If I've just found out you've been lying to me from pretty much the moment we met, why would I take your word on anything you say you'll do for me in the future. Knowing what I am going to get is exactly why I let Sloane die. Continued hostilities, perhaps even all out war. Allowing a dictator to continue oppressing those who live under her control. If Sloane had shown me any redeemable quality I would have saved her. If at any point she had said "look things were bad on the Nexus, we did what we had to do, but if you are really changing things for the better maybe we can work together" and showed some remorse for the way she forced the people of Kadara to live "we don't have much choice, to maintain order and safety from the Kett blah blah blah" just something in her worthy of keeping around. I didn't see any of that though. The only real choice one has to move forward with the AI on Kadara and to make the lives of people on Kadara better is to have her removed.
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