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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 14, 2017 15:13:15 GMT
Criticized TGA footage
Final game with 1.05
I think this is a perfect example of how clueless BioWare can be in regards to addressing the criticism. People laughed their asses off at the weak disarm animation in the TGA trailer as well as Sara's face so BioWare intended to improve it... not the animation in the entire game, just this particular scene but that's not necessarily bad as it's still an improvement. However, as far as I'm concerned they've completely failed to 'get' what the problem with this action is.
Now, I did see one or two NeoGAF posters criticise it for the wrong reasons, saying that it's weak because Sara just moves her hand out of the camera and disarms it that way. To me that was never the problem. The problem is the choreography itself. A turian bodyguard imposingly moves towards Ryder to hold her at gunpoint; he's threatening to shoot her but Ryder just snaps the gun out of his hand almost as if he's giving it to her. This has not improved in the slightest in the final animation, it's arguable even worse now because Ryder almost does this karate pose as if to say "HEY, I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUN IN 3-2-1...!" and he just takes it. It's absolutely laughable. It doesn't give me hope they're going to really address the game's animation flaws at large.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 14, 2017 15:36:16 GMT
I half wish I could've shot Sloane then and there.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 14, 2017 15:41:33 GMT
Well, I actually liked Sloane. I totally wanted to kill Reyes after that bloody rooftop scene though. "I wanted... to be someone!" Just kill yourself, man.
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Post by adelthorne on Apr 14, 2017 15:51:45 GMT
Well, I actually liked Sloane. I totally wanted to kill Reyes after that bloody rooftop scene though. "I wanted... to be someone!" Just kill yourself, man. Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it.
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Post by Garo on Apr 14, 2017 15:57:50 GMT
Downgrade I smell Also why didn't these Krogan bodyguards just shoot him/her right there? Why Turian got so close? Disarming animation is still bad. BW you didn't even try here.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 14, 2017 16:23:36 GMT
Well, I actually liked Sloane. I totally wanted to kill Reyes after that bloody rooftop scene though. "I wanted... to be someone!" Just kill yourself, man. Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. Fair enough. But Sloane is only a quarter as smart as Reyes because luring an enemy into a trap where he has the advantage, and kill them is how a smart man kills his enemy. As a woman, if I had to kill an opponent who was physically stronger than me, I'd have to rely on intelligence to do so, and avoid physical confrontation. I have no issues with how Reyes killed his enemy.
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Post by adelthorne on Apr 14, 2017 16:37:24 GMT
Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. Fair enough. But Sloane is only a quarter as smart as Reyes because luring an enemy into a trap where he has the advantage, and kill them is how a smart man kills his enemy. As a woman, if I had to kill an opponent who was physically stronger than me, I'd have to rely on intelligence to do so, and avoid physical confrontation. I have no issues with how Reyes killed his enemy. When you want to assassinate someone under a parley, you are not smart, its undermining everything you stand for before, and actually give me all more the reason to see Sloan in a different light, and Reyas as a coward, sneaky bastard that cant be trusted at all. Sloan has her flaws but still some kind of honour, Reyas has non after the failed assassination attempt.
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Post by NRieh on Apr 14, 2017 16:40:13 GMT
She was a head of Nexus security. Ex-military. How is he 'physically stronger' than her? It obviously takes some guts and strenghth to lead the merks. Frankly speaking, I'd love an option to kill both. And that scene did not have any sense at all. If he's all that sneaky and invisible shadow-cardinal - why even bother with draggin her into the cave? Is it so hard to catch her in a crosshair elswhere? How about killing her in her sleep? Why involving the outsider?
Reyes had annoyed the hell out of me. He beats the omnipresent and forced Liara from LotSB in my book (which I did not even think was possible).
As for the OP - yes, that interrupt is arguably the worst BS I've seen in 70 hours. A feeble sisRyder, 22, an ex-archeologist, disarming a krogan merk in a single move, with 3 more merks pointing their guns at her... FemShep sparring with Vega made more sense, really..
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 14, 2017 16:43:15 GMT
Fair enough. But Sloane is only a quarter as smart as Reyes because luring an enemy into a trap where he has the advantage, and kill them is how a smart man kills his enemy. As a woman, if I had to kill an opponent who was physically stronger than me, I'd have to rely on intelligence to do so, and avoid physical confrontation. I have no issues with how Reyes killed his enemy. When you want to assassinate someone under a parley, you are not smart, its undermining everything you stand for before, and actually give me all more the reason to see Sloan in a different light, and Reyas as a coward, sneaky bastard that cant be trusted at all. Sloan has her flaws but still some kind of honour, Reyas has non after the failed assassination attempt. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Sloane has honor?! Hilarious. Bitch went down like the dog she is. She had to be put down for the good of Andromeda. In fact, Sloane's real name is Cujo. LOL. Aside from that though, having no honor is not the same thing as not being smart. Basically you can be a coward, sneaky bastard AND be smart. I think Reyes is a sneaky bastard AND smart, but don't see the coward angle you keep complaining about.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 14, 2017 16:44:57 GMT
Well, I actually liked Sloane. I totally wanted to kill Reyes after that bloody rooftop scene though. "I wanted... to be someone!" Just kill yourself, man. Lots of people probably share that same dream. Telling them to commit suicide is probably not the answer.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 14, 2017 16:46:16 GMT
Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. Fair enough. But Sloane is only a quarter as smart as Reyes because luring an enemy into a trap where he has the advantage, and kill them is how a smart man kills his enemy. As a woman, if I had to kill an opponent who was physically stronger than me, I'd have to rely on intelligence to do so, and avoid physical confrontation. I have no issues with how Reyes killed his enemy. I don't know if I agree with this. That's just flat out cowardly, lacking any kind of honor to me. Don't say you want to settle things one on one and then cheat. You wanted a duel, now duel. That's the reason why, even though I didn't particularly like Sloan I didn't let it slide. You're also assuming that just because Sloan is a woman she can't beat Reyes in a one on one fight. If you're playing Sara Ryder, would you shy away from a duel with Reyes, or cheat because you don't think you can beat him head up?
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 14, 2017 16:46:48 GMT
yotube on first video: She has baby face! Bioware: Ugh, fine! *makes her the oldest looking character in the game and adds some dirt on top, just to be sure*
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 14, 2017 16:47:19 GMT
I didn't go that route in my game but seeing the video the whole scene is just bad. I'm not sure why the krogan guards didn't just blow Ryder away the second he grabbed the gun. /shrug That said I'm surprised how many people support Sloane here. She's a cheap Aria knock off without any of the appeal, one that openly states she'll go to war with you if you try and put an outpost there (pretty much the only reason you are on the planet to begin with). As a like 90% Paragon player I didn't even hesitate in letting Reyes off her.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 14, 2017 16:51:21 GMT
I didn't go that route in my game but seeing the video the whole scene is just bad. I'm not sure why the krogan guards didn't just blow Ryder away the second he grabbed the gun. /shrug That said I'm surprised how many people support Sloane here. She's a cheap Aria knock off without any of the appeal, one that openly states she'll go to war with you if you try and put an outpost there (pretty much the only reason you are on the planet to begin with). As a like 90% Paragon player I didn't even hesitate in letting Reyes off her. I felt a little cheated with the duel scene when Reyes tries to cheat. Being the honorable character that I was I just had to save Sloane when I would've preferred to let her die.
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Post by jli84 on Apr 14, 2017 16:53:41 GMT
When you want to assassinate someone under a parley, you are not smart, its undermining everything you stand for before, and actually give me all more the reason to see Sloan in a different light, and Reyas as a coward, sneaky bastard that cant be trusted at all. Sloan has her flaws but still some kind of honour, Reyas has non after the failed assassination attempt. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Sloane has honor?! Hilarious. Bitch went down like the dog she is. She had to be put down for the good of Andromeda. In fact, Sloane's real name is Cujo. LOL. Aside from that though, having no honor is not the same thing as not being smart. Basically you can be a coward, sneaky bastard AND be smart. I think Reyes is a sneaky bastard AND smart, but don't see the coward angle you keep complaining about. Reyes is way worse than a sneaky bastard. Did you find the collective torture chamber? As one of those beeing tortured stated: "at least Sloane doesn't play with her food." Edit: just realized this is the general forum and not spoiler section. Spoilertags people...
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Apr 14, 2017 16:54:54 GMT
Have to say, I love that hobo Ryder look with eye burning red&blue outfit, 10/10 fits so well in the joke of this game that it is.
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Post by armass81 on Apr 14, 2017 16:56:29 GMT
I didn't go that route in my game but seeing the video the whole scene is just bad. I'm not sure why the krogan guards didn't just blow Ryder away the second he grabbed the gun. /shrugThat said I'm surprised how many people support Sloane here. She's a cheap Aria knock off without any of the appeal, one that openly states she'll go to war with you if you try and put an outpost there (pretty much the only reason you are on the planet to begin with). As a like 90% Paragon player I didn't even hesitate in letting Reyes off her. Probably the same reason Tela Vasir didnt destroy the data the moment she got it in the lair of the shadow broker, which would have screwed Liara And Shep. Just one of those moments of convenience that makes no sense.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 14, 2017 16:56:29 GMT
I didn't go that route in my game but seeing the video the whole scene is just bad. I'm not sure why the krogan guards didn't just blow Ryder away the second he grabbed the gun. /shrug That said I'm surprised how many people support Sloane here. She's a cheap Aria knock off without any of the appeal, one that openly states she'll go to war with you if you try and put an outpost there (pretty much the only reason you are on the planet to begin with). As a like 90% Paragon player I didn't even hesitate in letting Reyes off her. I didn't really support Sloane, but I couldn't let things go down that way, I just thought it was cowardly. Also, after that seeing everything it became a things of, do I go with the person that has done nothing but lie to me, or the person that even though I haven't always agreed with, I knew exactly where I stood with. I don't see how people could even trust Reyes after all of that.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 14, 2017 17:00:26 GMT
I didn't go that route in my game but seeing the video the whole scene is just bad. I'm not sure why the krogan guards didn't just blow Ryder away the second he grabbed the gun. /shrug That said I'm surprised how many people support Sloane here. She's a cheap Aria knock off without any of the appeal, one that openly states she'll go to war with you if you try and put an outpost there (pretty much the only reason you are on the planet to begin with). As a like 90% Paragon player I didn't even hesitate in letting Reyes off her. I didn't really support Sloane, but I couldn't let things go down that way, I just thought it was cowardly. Also, after that seeing everything it became a things of, do I go with the person that has done nothing but lie to me, or the person that even though I haven't always agreed with, I knew exactly where I stood with. I don't see how people could even trust Reyes after all of that. I figured yeah Reyes lied about who he is but everything he had me do (aside maybe from offing his old girlfriend and that was really her doing) had good intentions behind them. I don't see any way letting Sloane live and rule Kadara won't eventually end in war for the AI.
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Post by bshep on Apr 14, 2017 17:00:42 GMT
Sloane is simply a thug. I am not sad to see her getting a shitty ending. Always choose brains over brawls.
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Post by joglee on Apr 14, 2017 17:15:50 GMT
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Post by derrame on Apr 14, 2017 17:19:49 GMT
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Post by bekkael on Apr 14, 2017 18:20:19 GMT
Meh. There was no honor with Reyes or Sloane, they were both criminal thugs doing what they do best. Since the game doesn't give you the option to clean house and kill both leaders like I prefer, I made sure to choose the one that gives the AI and the angara the least trouble. With Reyes you make the angara happy by having an angaran figurehead (Evfra likes this), and there are no more "protection fees" like Sloane levied.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 14, 2017 18:36:54 GMT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Sloane has honor?! Hilarious. Bitch went down like the dog she is. She had to be put down for the good of Andromeda. In fact, Sloane's real name is Cujo. LOL. Aside from that though, having no honor is not the same thing as not being smart. Basically you can be a coward, sneaky bastard AND be smart. I think Reyes is a sneaky bastard AND smart, but don't see the coward angle you keep complaining about. Reyes is way worse than a sneaky bastard. Did you find the collective torture chamber? As one of those beeing tortured stated: "at least Sloane doesn't play with her food." Edit: just realized this is the general forum and not spoiler section. Spoilertags people... Yeah, and Reyes is still no worse than Sloane: As I understand it, the so called Collective "torture chamber" is filled with terrorists. One of the "inmates" set up bombs around the port to murder a bunch of people. The "torture" appears to be beatings -- no worse than Sloane, who beats people who can't pay up. I did find a building in the Badlands where Collective agents cut off an Outcast's fingers, but Sloane does the same thing to some guy in her little prison! Again, Reyes proves to be no worse than Sloane, just smarter, and I can't fault him for that.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 14, 2017 18:45:12 GMT
Well, I actually liked Sloane. I totally wanted to kill Reyes after that bloody rooftop scene though. "I wanted... to be someone!" Just kill yourself, man. Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. You snipe kett away from hills and hide in cover while shooting an Architect's leg while your squadmates get reamed in the ass by Architect beams, yet somehow Reyes is the coward.
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