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Post by Ashii6 on Apr 15, 2017 13:51:36 GMT
I went in fully intending to let her die if the opportunity presented itself. From Ryder's perspective, Sloane came off as little more than a glorified mob boss living in an acidic hellhole that forced people to pay to live there or they'd be booted out into the wilds (like that girl who almost became cannibal chow), and didn't seem like the type of person who would be particularly cooperative if I wanted to establish a settlement somewhere on Kadara. To ensure the Initiative's success, I would have permitted much worse for her and her lot. It's why I didn't feel bad about that turian Reyes puts in a cell either. But as bad as Sloane was, I always knew where I stood with her. It was kind of like Katniss and Snow in the Hungar Games, where he would always say I thought we agreed never to lie to each other, so if anything she could believe what he was telling her. I always knew exactly where I stood with Sloane. Reyes on the other hand, I had just literally two minutes earlier lost any trust I had in him. He lied to you, used you for his ow agenda, and proved himself completely untrustworthy. You don't know what you were going to get from him at that point. If it just came down picking one at that point I would have chosen Sloane, "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't".Agree. This is why I decided to help Sloane as well. And honestly, I'm tired as fuck of characters that kiss our asses constantly, like Reyes. Sloane is different and that's what I like about her. Vidal from the moment he showed up, he tried his best to be our BFF and win our trust with his lies. I don't think I've ever rolled my eyes so hard at a character in any game. I felt like he was forced on my Ryder more than Liara on Shep. I don't like to kill off the characters I'm not a fan of, but I was really disappointed I couldn't kill him. I hope the opportunity will happen in Andromeda 2 or some DLC.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 15, 2017 14:09:47 GMT
I was hoping I crippled Reyes when I shot him in the back.
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Post by bryanky5 on Apr 15, 2017 14:14:35 GMT
I was hoping I crippled Reyes when I shot him in the back. I think it's hilarious that he calls you out for "showing your true colours" by shooting him unarmed minutes after he just tried to kill Sloane with a hidden Sniper in a duel. Also after reading the novel, Sloane seems like a person who has good intentions and also a person who will have no qualms telling you the way things are. Reyes straight out lies to your face, that ended any part of me that wanted to choose him.
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Post by Invellous on Apr 15, 2017 14:37:53 GMT
No, I'll choose someone who I know what I'm getting from over someone I don't. Not even talking about the fight anymore, just in general. If I've just found out you've been lying to me from pretty much the moment we met, why would I take your word on anything you say you'll do for me in the future. Knowing what I am going to get is exactly why I let Sloane die. Continued hostilities, perhaps even all out war. Allowing a dictator to continue oppressing those who live under her control. If Sloane had shown me any redeemable quality I would have saved her. If at any point she had said "look things were bad on the Nexus, we did what we had to do, but if you are really changing things for the better maybe we can work together" and showed some remorse for the way she forced the people of Kadara to live "we don't have much choice, to maintain order and safety from the Kett blah blah blah" just something in her worthy of keeping around. I didn't see any of that though. The only real choice one has to move forward with the AI on Kadara and to make the lives of people on Kadara better is to have her removed. These were also factors for me. She never levels with you, no doubt because she believes / believed she owes no one an explanation for her actions, which she doesn't. She was simply the immediate threat and needed to be removed. The only time I felt there was even the slightest bit of hope for her was when she asks you to help her after Keatus gets beat on. Overall I do not hate her and can see the good in her but again... dangerous.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 15, 2017 16:23:20 GMT
Knowing what I am going to get is exactly why I let Sloane die. Continued hostilities, perhaps even all out war. Allowing a dictator to continue oppressing those who live under her control. If Sloane had shown me any redeemable quality I would have saved her. If at any point she had said "look things were bad on the Nexus, we did what we had to do, but if you are really changing things for the better maybe we can work together" and showed some remorse for the way she forced the people of Kadara to live "we don't have much choice, to maintain order and safety from the Kett blah blah blah" just something in her worthy of keeping around. I didn't see any of that though. The only real choice one has to move forward with the AI on Kadara and to make the lives of people on Kadara better is to have her removed. These were also factors for me. She never levels with you, no doubt because she believes / believed she owes no one an explanation for her actions, which she doesn't. She was simply the immediate threat and needed to be removed. The only time I felt there was even the slightest bit of hope for her was when she asks you to help her after Keatus gets beat on. Overall I do not hate her and can see the good in her but again... dangerous. Her asking for my help there just reinforced everything for me. The last time we spoke she all but declared war on the AI. Then soon as she needs something she just expects me to help simply out of the goodness of my heart, she didn't even really offer anything in return except a 'maybe' she'll consider an outpost. Pfft. Not the way to win friends there lady. She'd have been better off just taking some of her Krogan guards with her.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 15, 2017 17:14:51 GMT
In regards to honor... What honor did Sloane have? She was supposed to protect folks on the Nexus as head of security, and she turned traitor. And even IF she was a noble traitor, protecting the weak against Tann and his cronies, she turned into a total space pirate who beats, tortures, and exiles folks who can't meet her demands or pay for her protection. From the moment I met her in the game, I vowed that I would take her out no matter how I had to do it. And if that meant siding with a cunning scumbag, so be it. A life without honor = a death without honor. Wow...I sound so hard core! In regards to the clip, I have just started my play-though as a casual/emotional type. I am kinda dreading this scene, as it is stupid as hell with the interrupt. I may go logical again on this particular scene, as it is a little more realistic (and has a good bit of smart-assness to it). I think a lot of folks forget that part about Sloane. She was not only head of security but a decorated soldier from the sounds of it. Sloane did the worst thing a person of that background could do, betray those who trusted her to do her job. Loyalty, something it is said by numerous NPCs that she holds above all else she did not exhibit. Then she goes straight pirate. Has people beaten, thrown in the unforgiving badlands to die and generally speaking is just a example of a bad soldier. That said, she did establish the Outcasts, and create stability. She cares about her people now, which makes you wonder what happened with the Nexus? I know there is some comic relating to do that or story but have not read it. Reyes does lie to you, and work from the shadows. And believe me I was not cool with how the stand off goes down and for a while I sat there trying to decide which of the two were the less of two evils. Decided on Reyes because he has a good sales pitch, I guess. He seems to be a guy doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. That said, I am curious to see how far this opportunistic will go in the next game. I suspect either him or Keatus(SP?) will be out for revenge. It just another plotline that shows that not everything is going to be black and white in this series, which is a good thing and it fits the theme in Kadara where a lot of plots will leaves you biting your bottom lip. --- Back to the topic... Yeah, the disarm is pretty weak, like the turian has zero effort put into his grip and just lets it go. Hardened space pirate? I think not. Like a lot of the animations it did not get 'fixed' or tweaked. Something went wrong with the process, that is for sure with plenty of videos made by more knowledgeable folks stating as such. I hoping Bioware fixes that as did some of the early game scenes which looks to have been touched up by hand rather than generated by adjusting values in their system. Maybe it will be fixed, one can only hope. I plan to play through it again if they do. Exactly! Even Drack calls her out on her lack of loyalty in Kralla's Song. He says something along the lines of, "Sloane was head of security on the Nexus, but betrayed those she was meant to protect. Loyalty may not be the only thing that counts, but it does count for something."
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Post by Amirit on Apr 15, 2017 17:40:29 GMT
I'm not a fan of Sloane but I wasn't about to let someone get executed in front of me and do nothing about it. I went in fully intending to let her die if the opportunity presented itself. From Ryder's perspective, Sloane came off as little more than a glorified mob boss living in an acidic hellhole that forced people to pay to live there or they'd be booted out into the wilds (like that girl who almost became cannibal chow), and didn't seem like the type of person who would be particularly cooperative if I wanted to establish a settlement somewhere on Kadara. To ensure the Initiative's success, I would have permitted much worse for her and her lot. It's why I didn't feel bad about that turian Reyes puts in a cell either. Traitor, murderer, drag-dealer and even a slaver (not to mention enemy of the Resistance, pushing Angara from Kadara and a political disaster as a MW representative) - her only option was to die. I would love to kill her myself, but someone organizing her death was the second best choice.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 15, 2017 17:47:49 GMT
Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. You snipe kett away from hills and hide in cover while shooting an Architect's leg while your squadmates get reamed in the ass by Architect beams, yet somehow Reyes is the coward. I just want to clarify, now that I'm at the root of this quotation, that I don't mean Reyes sucks because of those reasons.I just don't like his gay/bi seductive "charm" is forced on me and the game acts like me and him are having a sentimental bonding moment on a rooftop together when I constantly tried to avoid this. I don't think any other human character was pushed onto players this way and not women players either except Kaidan who suddenly confesses his love to manshep over dinner after being my bro. That was kind of innocent though because you could turn it down right away
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 15, 2017 18:12:53 GMT
I take Reyes as a charmer. He remind me of Rakan from LoL.
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Post by laxian on Apr 15, 2017 18:33:19 GMT
I half wish I could've shot Sloane then and there. Half? I truly wish I could (and I don't want to replace her with that other dude who sets her up to be fucking killed by a sniper! I want to POLICE Kadara and either return it to the Angara or take it over myself! I don't want to work with all those criminals there (I'd give the honest people a chance, but the criminals? I'd love to kill them all or at least slap some explosive collars on them and put them to work!)...or at least drag her out of there in chains (I'd love to take a full compliment of militia along to Kadara so that after landing (and while I distract the guards etc.) we can quickly put an end to Sloan Kelly and her thugs! greetings LAX ps: I have no patience for criminals - I can understand it if you are a criminal because your life depends on it, but if you do it just because your leadership doesn't tell you everything as soon as they know and because they want you back in stasis where you don't consume any food and are saver than outside your freaking pod? Damned, you are a douchebag (I am not saying the Nexus-Leadership is all great and did everything right - far from it! But they tried and for leaders that weren't meant to lead they did a decent enough job dealing with a shitty situation that sadly nobody anticipated! I mean they didn't even have a backup plan for SHTF!) and I think you are due some - harsh - punishment! I mean otherwise we all should rebell against our current governments! They all keep secrets, they all lie to their people etc.! We don't do so however because most of us are decent human beings - ok, many are too lazy to do anything as well!
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Post by demonicdivas on Apr 15, 2017 21:01:04 GMT
I just got that clip from a playthrough today. Quite possibly the lamest thing ever. There would have been a million and one better ways of making it more convincing than this. And in an ideal world, my Ryder would have pulled the trigger there and then
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 15, 2017 22:49:46 GMT
Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. You snipe kett away from hills and hide in cover while shooting an Architect's leg while your squadmates get reamed in the ass by Architect beams, yet somehow Reyes is the coward. There's some optional Cora dialogue on Kadara where she tries to "remind" Ryder of what Reyes is and talks about how he had sloan shot in the back in a negative tone and my reaction was "......so what?".
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 15, 2017 23:24:05 GMT
You snipe kett away from hills and hide in cover while shooting an Architect's leg while your squadmates get reamed in the ass by Architect beams, yet somehow Reyes is the coward. There's some optional Cora dialogue on Kadara where she tries to "remind" Ryder of what Reyes is and talks about how he had sloan shot in the back in a negative tone and my reaction was "......so what?". Plus anyone who has played the Kadara storyline with Reyes taking over knows that when the Collective takes over, the beatings and being exiled for failing to pay protection fees stop and the angara have background chatter celebrating their improved position. The people at the wind farm even comment how The Charlatan gets them what they need better than Vetra did. On top of that, your outpost is not extorted with a "protection fee" (that the bitch even has the nerve to tax you for protection after you saved her ass from dying is rich).
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Post by kevpool184 on Apr 15, 2017 23:56:38 GMT
Fair enough. But Sloane is only a quarter as smart as Reyes because luring an enemy into a trap where he has the advantage, and kill them is how a smart man kills his enemy. As a woman, if I had to kill an opponent who was physically stronger than me, I'd have to rely on intelligence to do so, and avoid physical confrontation. I have no issues with how Reyes killed his enemy. When you want to assassinate someone under a parley, you are not smart, its undermining everything you stand for before, and actually give me all more the reason to see Sloan in a different light, and Reyas as a coward, sneaky bastard that cant be trusted at all. Sloan has her flaws but still some kind of honour, Reyas has non after the failed assassination attempt. bahaha, obviously you didn't read nexus uprising. good lord, after finishing that book i'd love to shoot Sloane myself.
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Post by Invellous on Apr 16, 2017 0:33:56 GMT
You snipe kett away from hills and hide in cover while shooting an Architect's leg while your squadmates get reamed in the ass by Architect beams, yet somehow Reyes is the coward. There's some optional Cora dialogue on Kadara where she tries to "remind" Ryder of what Reyes is and talks about how he had sloan shot in the back in a negative tone and my reaction was "......so what?". My reaction was similar except I was thinking in my head, "Cora, you do realize either way it was going to be murder, right? If Sloane had won it would have still been murder. Here is a ladder for that high horse problem..."
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Post by Evanoel on Apr 16, 2017 0:40:44 GMT
Yeah the rooftop, why did I not have a choice to just go or not go. And he is half the man Sloan is with her flaws and all, just the duel scene where he has a sniper hidden. I did not shoot him in the back though since that is kind of cowardly way to do it. You snipe kett away from hills and hide in cover while shooting an Architect's leg while your squadmates get reamed in the ass by Architect beams, yet somehow Reyes is the coward. Exactly. Ha.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 16, 2017 0:42:48 GMT
Ryder can also vent Kett into space at the end of Cora's LM and can do all sorts of dirty tricks to kill people via security cams in Vetra's LM.
Poor Reyes can't catch a break. If it isn't Cora, then it's the fanbase giving him shade.
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Post by DoctorFox on Apr 16, 2017 14:42:00 GMT
The paint/tattoo Sloane has on her face looks completely retarded in the new version. It makes her look like she has a mustache. That's scarring from exposure to the Scourge. SAM mentions something about a helmet in game, and you bump into other folk with similar scarring, but I mainly got this info from the Nexus Uprising book, FYI. Mustache-shaped scars, that's rather unfortunate XD
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Post by DoctorFox on Apr 16, 2017 14:49:18 GMT
These were also factors for me. She never levels with you, no doubt because she believes / believed she owes no one an explanation for her actions, which she doesn't. She was simply the immediate threat and needed to be removed. The only time I felt there was even the slightest bit of hope for her was when she asks you to help her after Keatus gets beat on. Overall I do not hate her and can see the good in her but again... dangerous. Her asking for my help there just reinforced everything for me. The last time we spoke she all but declared war on the AI. Then soon as she needs something she just expects me to help simply out of the goodness of my heart, she didn't even really offer anything in return except a 'maybe' she'll consider an outpost. Pfft. Not the way to win friends there lady. She'd have been better off just taking some of her Krogan guards with her. Sloane was a greed-filled extortionist and a bully. My only regret was not being able to finish her off myself. At least Reyes had a sense of humor and some charm.
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 16, 2017 14:53:38 GMT
I half wish I could've shot Sloane then and there. Half? I truly wish I could (and I don't want to replace her with that other dude who sets her up to be fucking killed by a sniper! I want to POLICE Kadara and either return it to the Angara or take it over myself! I don't want to work with all those criminals there (I'd give the honest people a chance, but the criminals? I'd love to kill them all or at least slap some explosive collars on them and put them to work!)...or at least drag her out of there in chains (I'd love to take a full compliment of militia along to Kadara so that after landing (and while I distract the guards etc.) we can quickly put an end to Sloan Kelly and her thugs! I'm sorry, but nuking them from orbit was not an option. I didn't have any nukes left.
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Post by raikas on Apr 17, 2017 15:34:35 GMT
bahaha, obviously you didn't read nexus uprising. good lord, after finishing that book i'd love to shoot Sloane myself. Right? I've seen some people say the book made them more sympathetic to Sloane, but to me that just made the Kadara decision that much easier.
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Post by Garo on Apr 17, 2017 18:02:31 GMT
I actually like Sloane, but only after saving her, she is much more nice I enjoyed getting Reyes to run away because I made my SisRyder to flirt with him so that ending to their romance was kinda fresh for a BW game, made it more personal.
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Post by tjmitchem on Apr 17, 2017 18:25:15 GMT
I wanted to shoot Vidal by the end of my first meeting with him. I'm still upset that I couldn't. Sloane eventually gives me what I want, and I can always land the Tempest on her if she gets too uppity
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 17, 2017 19:24:25 GMT
After reading Nexus uprising i wanted to kill Sloane even more than i did after first meeting her in the game. Utterly deplorable individual.
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Post by Sah291 on Apr 17, 2017 19:44:19 GMT
I picked Reyes, seemed the logical choice since he appears to have more interests aligned with Ryder. 1) He actually wants the outpost built (and will therefore probably do a better job protecting it), and 2) the Collective has better relations/influence with the Angara, which seems important long term. How he dealt with Sloane was not fair...but then again when you consider they had been dragging people out for public beatings, probably some of them innocent... and the standoff was inevitable...Reyes was right, better one or two people settle it than dragging both factions into conflict. I don't think Sloane was going to just let that go. Reyes lies to you about his identity, but I don't see it as a deal breaking betrayal so much as a precaution on his part, since the conflict between the Outcasts and Collective ultimately didn't really have anything to do with Ryder. Ryder is an outsider and neutral party there, and his plan to take Sloane out was clearly already in set motion. He thought Ryder could be useful to that goal, but Ryder also clearly wants something out of an alliance as well. Objectively the living conditions on Kadara doesn't change all that much depending who you choose. But I really wasn't expecting it to. It's a criminal haven. Best shot they have for change long term is probably better relations with the AI and Angara, bringing in more resources and supplies. Sloane is an interesting character though. I didn't read the book, but I liked the dialogue you have with her, and her slight attitude adjustment if you do save her.
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