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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 3:38:27 GMT
I find it amazing that I'm having to speak about this in a SP game. But here goes, and be prepped. 'Cause I'm gonna take you to the street, and beat the shit out of you BioWare.
I played as an Adept. Singularity and Throw. Those were my two go to's. I figured that combo explosions were in your wheelhouse. I couldn't be more fucking wrong. I've heard of people taking down the cardinal in less than ten minutes, on Voeld. That's the last boss in the kett base in case you forgot. Or if you have conveniently forgotten. These people, unsurprisingly, were using charge. Most of them were also using incinerate, as well. But that's neither a here nor a there.
Wanna know how long it took me?
Just guess.
Have you guessed yet?
Over half an hour to take that fucker down.
How the fuck could you fuck this up in a fucking SP game? WoW launched with less balance issues than this piece of shit.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 15, 2017 3:40:31 GMT
Took about 2 minutes if that as an infiltrator, but yes, I agree with you. Balance on powers and weapons is shit in MEA.
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Post by doch on Apr 15, 2017 3:46:23 GMT
I used Pull, Throw and Overload. I don't remember him giving me much trouble (albeit, that was early in the game). If you use cover in between cool downs and your weapon(s) should be a straightforward chip-away.
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 3:48:58 GMT
Like I said, balance issues. It doesn't matter what you chose, if you chose correctly.
It does matter if you chose incorrectly. A great deal.
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Post by godlike13 on Apr 15, 2017 3:54:20 GMT
Ya, i pretty much abandoned all plans to make use of Biotic combos. Combos in general just don't really do enough damage, and I don't think they go off of health percentage anymore.
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 3:58:27 GMT
I mean, who's the fucking genius who decided that it would be okay for adepts to only have two primers, anyway?
I mean, annihilation field and singularity? Really? Srsly? What happened to warp? To reave? To biotic bubble? I mean, you are the ones who came up with biotic bubble, correct?
FFS, did you plan on putting that in an expansion pack? A fucking DLC? And then warp in another DLC? And Reave in another? I dunno, you must either think that I'm either stupid or don't know how the game is played. Most probably, both. I don't give a shit if you release it for free along with your next four fucking games. I won't be downloading them.
Holy fuck.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 15, 2017 4:00:34 GMT
Powers, especially damaging tech powers, suck. They do no damage whatsoever compared to weapons while still having 10-15 sec cd.
More importantly, unlike biotics, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PROFILE THAT INCREASES TECH POWER DAMAGE.
The supposed dedicated tech profile, Engineer, sucks. Constructs do no damage whatsoever; a Carnifex gun (the worst gun in the game) does more damage than a construct.
This is made worse by the fact they split construct damage apart from tech power damagem (so tech power damage on crafted armor and weapons does nothing for your constructs). Tech power damage should be merged with construct damage, and engineer should gain a 50% tech power damage increase at Engineer rank 6.
Moreover, engineer also sucks because the combat drone sucks. It gives the same exact recharge rate as infiltrator and explorer give, except if an enemy gets close the drone explodes to stun them and your recharge rate is lost, while explorers and infiltrators always keep their recharge rate.
Add to that the fact that combo detonations do no damage whatsoever. At NORMAL difficulty, a combo detonation takes around 60-70% of a regular red mob's life bar. It's that pathetic.
The other problem is biotics got a really raw deal with priming. Since they don't have Warp in SP, biotics can't prime mobs outside taking Nova or Singularity. Nova is a vanguard playstyle spell, and singularity is a humongous 24 sec base recharge.
Most biotic powers suck against armored opponents, who happen to be among the strongest opponents in game.
A Lance specced for bonus damage against armor or a Nova at the risk of melee range still does much less damage to a Fiend than shooting a single shot of my piranha or black widow, let alone an isharay.
In this game you play weapon based builds or you are way worse off.
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Post by godlike13 on Apr 15, 2017 4:00:43 GMT
There are more then two, but you have to invest in specific upgrades. Like with Shockwave for example, and Nova too for some reason lol.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 15, 2017 4:04:13 GMT
There are more then two, but you have to invest in specific upgrades. Like with Shockwave for example, and Nova too for some reason lol. The problem is adept is not gonna use Nova unless he's also forced to take charge to support the risk he takes by elaving cover to go into melee range. And at that point if you have charge and nova, you might as well play vanguard. Shockwave has always been a shitty skill anyways, most people hate it. I would trade throw for warp in a heartbeat. Alternatively they can reduce the base cd of Singularity down to 15 seconds base to make priming armored opponents easier.
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Post by lynroy on Apr 15, 2017 4:04:39 GMT
Pull and throw are also primers. But yeah, combos are crap and barely do any damage. Weapons aren't much better.
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 4:07:30 GMT
There are more then two, but you have to invest in specific upgrades. Like with Shockwave for example, and Nova too for some reason lol. The problem is adept is not gonna use Nova unless he's also forced to take charge to support the risk he takes by elaving cover to go into melee range. And at that point if you have charge and nova, you might as well play vanguard. Shockwave has always been a shitty skill anyways, most people hate it. I would trade throw for warp in a heartbeat. Alternatively they can reduce the base cd of Singularity down to 15 seconds base to make priming armored opponents easier. Dude, the game is already released. No matter how they wash it, the stank will always be on it. The stank that deserves to be there.
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Post by godlike13 on Apr 15, 2017 4:07:39 GMT
There are more then two, but you have to invest in specific upgrades. Like with Shockwave for example, and Nova too for some reason lol. The problem is adept is not gonna use Nova unless he's also forced to take charge to support the risk he takes by elaving cover to go into melee range. And at that point if you have charge and nova, you might as well play vanguard. Shockwave has always been a shitty skill anyways, most people hate it. I would trade throw for warp in a heartbeat. Alternatively they can reduce the base cd of Singularity down to 15 seconds base to make priming armored opponents easier. I agree with Nova, i don't get that one. Shockwave is better in this game though because its not a bad primer. It can prime multiple enemies (including armored and shielded) and it doesn't have the cool down issues of Singularity. I was just saying though, technically there are more than 3. Even Lance and Throw can be made into primers.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 15, 2017 4:08:07 GMT
The Cardinal is weak against guns... powers; even biotic charge is not very effective although I do that for fun. Easiest is to just sniper her, piranha, hornet and valkyrie works very well too. Turbocharge is probably the best power to use against her. Next time I may try cobra rpg
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 4:12:09 GMT
The Cardinal is weak against guns... powers; even biotic charge is not very effective although I do that for fun. Easiest is to just sniper her, piranha, hornet and valkyrie works very well too. Turbocharge is probably the best power to use against her. Next time I may try cobra rpg I had a Scorpion level III (I believe), and it wasn't doing shit against him. Good god, I praise for being better than Blizzard... Then... Then you release this shit. SHIT.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 15, 2017 4:17:25 GMT
The Cardinal is weak against guns... powers; even biotic charge is not very effective although I do that for fun. Easiest is to just sniper her, piranha, hornet and valkyrie works very well too. Turbocharge is probably the best power to use against her. Next time I may try cobra rpg I had a Scorpion level III (I believe), and it wasn't doing shit against him. Good god, I praise for being better than Blizzard... Then... Then you release this shit. SHIT. Eh... Scropion... the Salarian pistol? Never used it. Try the Valkyrie or if you need a pistol - Hornet is good (takes longer). A key to ending the fight fast is to always remember to fully reload your gun and be in position to go all out crazy on her when the orb is about to go down.
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 4:19:48 GMT
I had a Scorpion level III (I believe), and it wasn't doing shit against him. Good god, I praise for being better than Blizzard... Then... Then you release this shit. SHIT. Eh... Scropion... the Salarian pistol? Never used it. Try the Valkyrie or if you need a pistol - Hornet is good (takes longer). A key to ending the fight fast is to always remember to fully reload your gun and be in position to go all out crazy on her when the orb is about to go down. Yah, that's exactly what I want. For the fight to take 45 minutes instead of ~30(ish). Brilliant.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 15, 2017 4:20:59 GMT
Well, this troll thread has lasted long enough.
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 4:25:06 GMT
Well, this troll thread has lasted long enough. (snicker) Wow, really? Srsly? Okay, if the mods decide to kick me off'a here, then so be it. Heh, but I'll be god damned if I let go of this issue. Especially since it doesn't concern the facial animation issue that has so infected the rest of the internet.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 15, 2017 4:26:06 GMT
Eh... Scropion... the Salarian pistol? Never used it. Try the Valkyrie or if you need a pistol - Hornet is good (takes longer). A key to ending the fight fast is to always remember to fully reload your gun and be in position to go all out crazy on her when the orb is about to go down. Yah, that's exactly what I want. For the fight to take 45 minutes instead of ~30(ish). Brilliant. Maybe... also try using Lance and Shockwave instead of throw? That should further improve time to kill
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Post by doch on Apr 15, 2017 4:27:01 GMT
Pull and throw are also primers. But yeah, combos are crap and barely do any damage. Weapons aren't much better. Throw is a detonator. While combos aren't as powerful as they were in previous games, I do like multiple detonations they trigger. Incendiaries work well against armor.
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Post by lynroy on Apr 15, 2017 4:28:48 GMT
Throw is also a primer. The window to detonate a combo off of it is short but it can be done. I throw then charge mooks all the time for biotic explosions.
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Post by goishen on Apr 15, 2017 4:29:13 GMT
Yah, that's exactly what I want. For the fight to take 45 minutes instead of ~30(ish). Brilliant. Maybe... also try using Lance and Shockwave instead of throw? That should further improve time to kill That wasn't my point. My point was that it should take between 2-4 minutes to kill the boss with any spec. Guess the developers thought different. No? Or they released a broken game? Where they all played vanguards?
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 15, 2017 4:29:51 GMT
Well, this troll thread has lasted long enough. They have a point on powers being awful in the game though. They really are, and I'm quite thankful I've always been more of a soldier/tech build over biotics because ofpowers getting less effective each game since ME1. Andromeda takes it to a whole new level though on really restricting powers though. personally though I see an issue if people are letting that specific fight take so long considering I can get it done in 10 minutes or less with a widow and piranha. They're either trying to force the powers to work, or neglect the effectiveness of the weapons regardless if they want to use them or not.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 15, 2017 4:36:48 GMT
Maybe... also try using Lance and Shockwave instead of throw? That should further improve time to kill That wasn't my point. My point was that it should take between 2-4 minutes to kill the boss with any spec. Guess the developers thought different. No? Or they released a broken game? Where they all played vanguards? Well... many "Vanguards" are not really "Vanguards" because they mixed tech skills into them - which effectively turns them into Explorers. Also, Vanguards are also not the most effective class to deal with the Cardinal. Infiltrator is more effective against this Cardinal imo. Some builds are better at certain things while weak less effective against certain things. Adapt powers like Singularity into (choose detonator) is very effective against groups of normal mobs. So it is not possible that any specs can deal with everything with the same efficiency.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 15, 2017 4:37:12 GMT
Well, this troll thread has lasted long enough. They have a point on powers being awful in the game though. They really are, and I'm quite thankful I've always been more of a soldier/tech build over biotics because ofpowers getting less effective each game since ME1. Andromeda takes it to a whole new level though on really restricting powers though. personally though I see an issue if people are letting that specific fight take so long considering I can get it done in 10 minutes or less with a widow and piranha. They're either trying to force the powers to work, or neglect the effectiveness of the weapons regardless if they want to use them or not. I meant troll thread because of the replies from the OP in this thread indicate a troll or someone posting on the forums while intoxicated. Powers that are not weapon augments/shield restore DO suck pretty badly in this game. Yes.
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