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Post by theflyingzamboni on Sept 4, 2016 3:56:05 GMT
Star Citizen is promising a lot right now. More than any game ever has probably. If it can actually pull that off to a decent degree it's going to be absolutely amazing. However it's a fine line between pulling it off and screwing it up in an epic fashion. Even though I'd probably think it was cool if they do pull it off, I have to confess I've never wanted a game to fail its ambitions more than I do Star Citizen. I'm really pulling for that "screwing it up in an epic fashion." It's mostly not the devs fault I feel that way, although I do find it annoying when games promise the moon and try to shove several games into one. Mostly it's just that a lot of the hardcore backers are just the worst kind of fans. Anytime I've seen anything that calls something about the devs or game into question, they set on them like a pack of rabid animals. And I passionately believe that people like that deserve to be disappointed in life.  To draw an appropriate quote from Malazan Book of the Fallen for my feelings regarding those fans: '...Each time you rise, you shall then fall. All that you achieve shall turn to dust in your hands. As you have wilfully done here, so it shall be in turn visited upon all that you do.’  |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 4, 2016 9:48:32 GMT
Star Citizen is promising a lot right now. More than any game ever has probably. If it can actually pull that off to a decent degree it's going to be absolutely amazing. However it's a fine line between pulling it off and screwing it up in an epic fashion. Even though I'd probably think it was cool if they do pull it off, I have to confess I've never wanted a game to fail its ambitions more than I do Star Citizen. I'm really pulling for that "screwing it up in an epic fashion." It's mostly not the devs fault I feel that way, although I do find it annoying when games promise the moon and try to shove several games into one. Mostly it's just that a lot of the hardcore backers are just the worst kind of fans. Anytime I've seen anything that calls something about the devs or game into question, they set on them like a pack of rabid animals. And I passionately believe that people like that deserve to be disappointed in life. To draw an appropriate quote from Malazan Book of the Fallen for my feelings regarding those fans: '...Each time you rise, you shall then fall. All that you achieve shall turn to dust in your hands. As you have wilfully done here, so it shall be in turn visited upon all that you do.’ I used to lurk and sometimes post on their forums, but the "immersion" fans were really something else. I recall people wanting them to introduce things like taking a shit and showering as mandatory game mechanics. But the part of me that loves a good exploration space sim wants it to succeed because there's nothing else out there right now that's interesting to me. |
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Post by straykat on Sept 4, 2016 14:51:21 GMT
Even though I'd probably think it was cool if they do pull it off, I have to confess I've never wanted a game to fail its ambitions more than I do Star Citizen. I'm really pulling for that "screwing it up in an epic fashion." It's mostly not the devs fault I feel that way, although I do find it annoying when games promise the moon and try to shove several games into one. Mostly it's just that a lot of the hardcore backers are just the worst kind of fans. Anytime I've seen anything that calls something about the devs or game into question, they set on them like a pack of rabid animals. And I passionately believe that people like that deserve to be disappointed in life. To draw an appropriate quote from Malazan Book of the Fallen for my feelings regarding those fans: '...Each time you rise, you shall then fall. All that you achieve shall turn to dust in your hands. As you have wilfully done here, so it shall be in turn visited upon all that you do.’ I used to lurk and sometimes post on their forums, but the "immersion" fans were really something else. I recall people wanting them to introduce things like taking a shit and showering as mandatory game mechanics. But the part of me that loves a good exploration space sim wants it to succeed because there's nothing else out there right now that's interesting to me. The fact that these people want a sim at all -- let alone a shit taking sim -- is the problem. Wing Commander was more arcade-y than sim like. So was Freelancer. How the hell did these people overrun it? Even the modern age spinoff, Strike Commander, was more like Ace Combat. It's all about dogfighting.. but not as dumbed down as, say, Afterburner or something. I've heard about the fanbase, but never took a look for myself. But I do like Chris Roberts. I don't want to see him fail -- unless he's actually catering to this crowd. Then screw it. |
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Post by Sailears on Sept 4, 2016 17:04:05 GMT
Star Citizen is promising a lot right now. More than any game ever has probably. If it can actually pull that off to a decent degree it's going to be absolutely amazing. However it's a fine line between pulling it off and screwing it up in an epic fashion. Even though I'd probably think it was cool if they do pull it off, I have to confess I've never wanted a game to fail its ambitions more than I do Star Citizen. I'm really pulling for that "screwing it up in an epic fashion." It's mostly not the devs fault I feel that way, although I do find it annoying when games promise the moon and try to shove several games into one. Mostly it's just that a lot of the hardcore backers are just the worst kind of fans. Anytime I've seen anything that calls something about the devs or game into question, they set on them like a pack of rabid animals. And I passionately believe that people like that deserve to be disappointed in life. To draw an appropriate quote from Malazan Book of the Fallen for my feelings regarding those fans: '...Each time you rise, you shall then fall. All that you achieve shall turn to dust in your hands. As you have wilfully done here, so it shall be in turn visited upon all that you do.’ Forget the backer base - from everything I've seen most of the devs seem like cool and dedicated/passionate people and for their sake I'd want it to succeed. In any case I'm willing to stick my neck out and say it will succeed - sure there will be corners cut and some features reduced, but overall it should achieve most of the current goals. |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 4, 2016 18:02:44 GMT
I used to lurk and sometimes post on their forums, but the "immersion" fans were really something else. I recall people wanting them to introduce things like taking a shit and showering as mandatory game mechanics. But the part of me that loves a good exploration space sim wants it to succeed because there's nothing else out there right now that's interesting to me. The fact that these people want a sim at all -- let alone a shit taking sim -- is the problem. Wing Commander was more arcade-y than sim like. So was Freelancer. How the hell did these people overrun it? Even the modern age spinoff, Strike Commander, was more like Ace Combat. It's all about dogfighting.. but not as dumbed down as, say, Afterburner or something. I've heard about the fanbase, but never took a look for myself. But I do like Chris Roberts. I don't want to see him fail -- unless he's actually catering to this crowd. Then screw it. The devs themselves all seem cool, it's just that the game got really big and hyped on account of being the most successful crowd funding campaign of all time. So now there's a ton of different people that want a ton of different things. As far as I know they're adding things like showering just as a sort of "optional for RP reasons, if you'd like". |
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Post by stysiaq on Sept 4, 2016 20:07:26 GMT
Why are we comparing an AAA title to elaborate Kickstarter scam?
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Post by straykat on Sept 4, 2016 21:37:09 GMT
Why are we comparing an AAA title to elaborate Kickstarter scam? I didn't know it was a scam. Chris Roberts is no Tim Schafer. We even have a real live beta tester in this thread. |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 4, 2016 21:40:03 GMT
Why are we comparing an AAA title to elaborate Kickstarter scam? At this point given that they have a functional alpha out, I think the whole "scam" conspiracy has passed. The best we can claim now is horribly mismanaged project, assuming it goes badly. |
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Post by straykat on Sept 4, 2016 21:57:54 GMT
I think the only reason it's kickstarter is he's always tried to be "indy". Even when working at Origin, those were small teams. He left to form his own company, but that too got acquired (by Microsoft).
If there's a scam here, the clearer one to me is MEA. It shouldn't even have existed. Hudson never wanted it. And whether people want to admit it or not, it's only here because a lot of people are still butthurt about the endings and need a "do over". If you were actually happy, then there's no reason for it.
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 5, 2016 0:43:47 GMT
If there's a scam here, the clearer one to me is MEA. It shouldn't even have existed. Hudson never wanted it. And whether people want to admit it or not, it's only here because a lot of people are still butthurt about the endings and need a "do over". If you were actually happy, then there's no reason for it. First time I see someone not wanting another Mass Effect game. People are probably needlessly worried about execution (since DA:I), but I don't think people don't want it at all. Who would say no to more Mass Effect lol? Hudson never wanted it? So? He didn't create it on his own, there was a whole team behind it. Allegedly, Hudson and Walters messed up the ending and Hudson is gone, so I couldn't care less what he wanted. ME Universe is great, and I look forward to more games and books set in it. There are some old devs and writers working on it, some new, so I can't wait to see what they have in store for us. |
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Post by straykat on Sept 5, 2016 0:45:23 GMT
If there's a scam here, the clearer one to me is MEA. It shouldn't even have existed. Hudson never wanted it. And whether people want to admit it or not, it's only here because a lot of people are still butthurt about the endings and need a "do over". If you were actually happy, then there's no reason for it. First time I see someone not wanting another Mass Effect game. People are probably needlessly worried about execution (since DA:I), but I don't think people don't want it at all. Who would say no to more Mass Effect lol? Hudson never wanted it? So? He didn't create it on his own, there was a whole team behind it. Allegedly, Hudson and Walters messed up the ending and Hudson is gone, so I couldn't care less what he wanted. ME Universe is great, and I look forward to more games and books set in it. There are some old devs and writers working on it, some new, so I can't wait to see what they have in store for us. You just proved my point. You hated the ending and are glad Hudson is gone. That's who this game is for. |
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 5, 2016 1:02:03 GMT
You just proved my point. You hated the ending and are glad Hudson is gone. That's who this game is for. Your point is too general and one person does not prove it. I am certain there are people that are looking forward to another Mass Effect game that were content with ME3 ending. Also, BioWare guys would say this game is for all fans, they are not trying to please anyone specifically. The fact they are circumventing the endings proves this. Endings stay as they are, whatever people think about them, and we get more Mass Effect. |
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Post by Cyonan on Sept 5, 2016 2:53:14 GMT
I think the only reason it's kickstarter is he's always tried to be "indy". Even when working at Origin, those were small teams. He left to form his own company, but that too got acquired (by Microsoft). If there's a scam here, the clearer one to me is MEA. It shouldn't even have existed. Hudson never wanted it. And whether people want to admit it or not, it's only here because a lot of people are still butthurt about the endings and need a "do over". If you were actually happy, then there's no reason for it. I don't know as I'd call it a scam, but I could see it potentially being a cash grab. The thing for me is that I was happy enough with the ending once EC showed up, but I'm also kind of glad to get more Mass Effect because it's a style of game not many others seem to be able to pull off decently well mixing gunplay with power use. However the Mass Effect 3 ending does highly give me the impression they originally never intended to make a Mass Effect 4. |
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Post by straykat on Sept 5, 2016 3:16:37 GMT
You just proved my point. You hated the ending and are glad Hudson is gone. That's who this game is for. Does it really matter? The ME3 ending is in the past, you either liked it, hated it, or didn't really care. The decision to make the next ME in another galaxy makes sense to a degree, even if there is a sense of cop-out in it. The only thing left now is to judge ME:A on its own merits, it will either be great, mediocre, or terrible, but the "why" and "what if" are not really relevant at this point. It does matter to me. It's both uninspired and uninspiring and has none of the same driving intent or people behind it. What I get here is marketing slogans like "What does N7 mean to you?" and dumbass twitter hashtags like "#space". These people are clueless, because it was first created with a mandate from EA. Not a labor of love. At best, it should only make a superficial fan happy. People who just want a logo or a brand. But this was never a brand or a franchise really. It was a trilogy. There's a difference. |
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Post by straykat on Sept 5, 2016 3:54:08 GMT
I can respect that. I just need more to go on, since I was more or less happy already. I'm open enough to be curious about the new one, but I don't see anything yet. This idea that "Oh it's Mass Effect, that should be enough" doesn't work for me. It seems like this is what they're banking on though. In the most superficial ways, like that N7 question or getting nostalgic about the Mako and trying to capture the "spirit" of the old games. That doesn't mean much to me. Mass Effect was an idea, it was a specific thing. And I can just play it again. edit: Damn quote is broken. It was about you feeling things were ruined. I can respect that. |
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 5, 2016 9:00:35 GMT
Pointless comparison - that's totally different gameplay right now. ED is a space sim, any form of tps or fps won't be in before MEA, exploring is finding interesting seeded procedurally generated stuff or RNG - little handcrafted items in there. And SC won't be finished before MEA either, if it ever gets shipped in a decent quality.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 5, 2016 9:02:02 GMT
Even though I'd probably think it was cool if they do pull it off, I have to confess I've never wanted a game to fail its ambitions more than I do Star Citizen. I'm really pulling for that "screwing it up in an epic fashion." It's mostly not the devs fault I feel that way, although I do find it annoying when games promise the moon and try to shove several games into one. Mostly it's just that a lot of the hardcore backers are just the worst kind of fans. Anytime I've seen anything that calls something about the devs or game into question, they set on them like a pack of rabid animals. And I passionately believe that people like that deserve to be disappointed in life. To draw an appropriate quote from Malazan Book of the Fallen for my feelings regarding those fans: '...Each time you rise, you shall then fall. All that you achieve shall turn to dust in your hands. As you have wilfully done here, so it shall be in turn visited upon all that you do.’ I used to lurk and sometimes post on their forums, but the "immersion" fans were really something else. I recall people wanting them to introduce things like taking a shit and showering as mandatory game mechanics. But the part of me that loves a good exploration space sim wants it to succeed because there's nothing else out there right now that's interesting to me. So it's kinda like the romance and hair threads on old BSN Andromeda subforum? |
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Post by stysiaq on Sept 5, 2016 9:45:36 GMT
Why are we comparing an AAA title to elaborate Kickstarter scam? At this point given that they have a functional alpha out, I think the whole "scam" conspiracy has passed. The best we can claim now is horribly mismanaged project, assuming it goes badly. Sure, I was being sarcastic. I think that SC is a victim to it's own success (I mean the budget). I'm not interested in playing it, seeing how the project struggled to release anything. Though it's not a scam the way the TOA were changed is shady though. I think as a ME community we were given a huge lesson in not trusting any big promises. And SC promised the world. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 5, 2016 14:15:08 GMT
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Post by stysiaq on Sept 5, 2016 15:43:09 GMT
Star Citizen news always bring those bizarre feelings. On one hand this project was given over $120M by the fans, on the other hand it creeped so many stretch goals and promises that it's virtually impossible to deliver this game before it gets old technologically. |
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Post by straykat on Sept 5, 2016 22:43:26 GMT
Star Citizen news always bring those bizarre feelings. On one hand this project was given over $120M by the fans, on the other hand it creeped so many stretch goals and promises that it's virtually impossible to deliver this game before it gets old technologically. I'm just afraid it's not even enough money for a game like this. Big budget fantasy (single player) like Witcher 3 or DAI is in the 75-80 mill range. I think this is comparable to Destiny's scope and that had a monstrous budget. I forgot what it was, but it was more than 120 mill. |
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 5, 2016 23:12:07 GMT
Wasn't Destiny's budget way bigger because of the marketing? I remember that crazy amount of money went into marketing.
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