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Post by cloudstorm99 on Apr 17, 2017 0:43:41 GMT
The current third party perspective and move to cover system is really. Its not consistent and really clunky. Played Destiny for two years and their move system is easier to use and far more reliable. If the third party perspective is needed for Squad tactics why not wrap into the tec and have a shoulder mounted mini drone which when launched gives an eye in the sky viewpoint. Firs person perspective is so much more immersive. Good gaming to all
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 17, 2017 0:46:45 GMT
I love third person. First person gaming feels like tunnel vision to me with no area awareness.
I also like the cover system in ME:A. I thought I'd hate it because other games have done it poorly in the past, but Bioware did a good job with their snap-to-cover system imo.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Apr 17, 2017 0:48:06 GMT
Personally, I despise first-person perspective, especially in an RPG. Immersive? How am I supposed to become attached to my character in first person? They're not a person, they're a camera with hands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 0:57:35 GMT
I've never played a 1st person, and don't intend to. It' like looking out of a box, and you never see your character look super-cool when fighting :)
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 17, 2017 1:00:42 GMT
Personally, I despise first-person perspective, especially in an RPG. Immersive? How am I supposed to become attached to my character in first person? They're not a person, they're a camera with hands. I agree. I think a lot of people hear the term "first person" and immediately think it better represents a real life perspective. What they're failing to realize is in real life, we have peripheral vision and other tools (smell, hearing) that give us a sense of our surroundings. Objectively, third person gaming is actually closer to reality than first person gaming. First person gaming is like walking around wearing horse blinders. edit: First person gaming is also a cop-out in terms of programming. Developers don't have to worry about animating the protagonist or how the protagonist will interact with world obstacles in first person games.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 17, 2017 1:18:49 GMT
Are you implying they make mass effect into a FPS game? That doesn't fix the game from being "outdated" as you put it as there is no such thing when it comes to a developers design choice. Mechanics don't just get outdated, especially if devs continue on improving said mechanic game by game. You'll find a lot of people will disagree on mass effect dropping third person as that is what mass effect is and you're only sacrificing one thing for another. The only benefit of first person is a straight up view in front of you and getting to see more detail on your hands and weapon since it's at a view in front of your face. Third person lets you see your environment all around you without forcing you to turn around constantly to look at them and it's beneficial for combat awareness being how you can see multiple enemies spread out apart. My next issue is what dies a fps mass effect offer that other fps don't? What will going to first person do that will make mass effect "better" than the others? Going to first person dies more harm than good and it's better they stick to what is a core part to mass effect. If you want a fps mass effect, they need to get someone separately to do it and keeping it away from the mainline games and then they can test what a fps mass effect can be/do, but ultimately I think it'd be a failure as I wouldn't see it doing better than other fps games. Just cuz you played destiny and that destiny makes it work, doesn't mean it would for mass effect.
Secondly is the combat/cover system. The gunplay itself is at its best of the series, however you'll find I personally dislike the overall combat and cover system itself. The cover system automatically sticking bothers me and they removed the ability to slide from cover to cover at the press of a bottom, I liked being able to slide over from right side if a door to left side, or crate to crate. It's not a huge issue and I can tolerate it, it's merely a preference issue for me. The power system is a downgrade to me however. We used to be able to use 7? 8 powers with the power wheel, now we're restricted to 3 and they're also weaker and less effective damage wise. I see that limiting biotic/tech users more than it should be and having more powers to use might've given more if a pass on the powers being weaker in terms of damage. I don't see how going to fps fixes this though nor did I see you even elaborate why or how it needs improved, plus destiny doesn't even have a cover system (I've spent 2k hours on that game).
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Post by flyingovertrout on Apr 17, 2017 1:27:16 GMT
Only chronic here is what the OP is smoking mirite.
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Post by vomder on Apr 17, 2017 1:42:49 GMT
It's called third person, not third party.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 17, 2017 1:50:57 GMT
First person has a tendency to make me very dizzy
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 17, 2017 2:41:45 GMT
I think Andromeda's cover system is lightyears beyond what was in Mass Effect 3 and with the amount of usable buttons on a controller I rather have Andromeda's system then running by a wall and automatically snapping to it because I was pressing the run button.
The debate over FPS and TPS is going to be a personal choice, for me I prefer the third person view for I find FPS really narrows my field of view.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 17, 2017 2:57:36 GMT
I find FP to be horrid. The day they make a FP ME game is the day I'm finished with the series. FP was the easy answer, back when creating good character models was a big deal. It caught on with PC shooter players, who were accustomed to it, and has unfortunately persisted until today. Why wouldn't it, if it's both popular and "easier" in some respects?
FP for an RPG with a customizable protagonist? It makes no sense. It's a terrible idea.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 17, 2017 3:45:35 GMT
I like being able to see all the cool animations, armor, and appearance of my character in game. Immersion can still be achieved without me having to view it literally through the characters eyes.
There's plenty of movies that are immersive without being in first person.
Also while it's not a problem I have, apparently a lot of players get motion sickness from first person POV what with the headbobbing and narrow FOV. They usually flat out avoid those games, and it would suck to have a franchise that you've been able to enjoy and reliably play suddenly become physically unplayable for you.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 17, 2017 3:51:31 GMT
Third person allows you to see around better as opposed to first person. I don't like first person RPGs since what is the point of having nice armor when you never see it? First person is the reason I won't play the dishonored series. It doesn't mean I hate first person, but I think it only works in shooters like CoD or BF. Something designed around the gun.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 17, 2017 3:51:41 GMT
1st Person, 3rd Person are the same. They both have advantages and disadvantages. OP prefers 1st Person and hence feels that 3rd Person is holding him back. Well.. it is not. In reality, only your preference is holding you back. I play 1st Person shooters actually more than 3rd Person but I dont have any issue with either. Just need like 30min to get oriented say when I switch from playing DOOM to Mass Effect or Mass Effect to DOOM. Do I think 1st person will make it easier for me to shoot enemies? Yes. Is it more epic to perform areal melee and see how enemies twitch and burn in 3rd person? Yes. Unless Mass Effect allows me to say... tear Demons apart like DOOM and rip Pilots from their Titans like Titanfall - nope, no reason for 1st person.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2017 4:09:20 GMT
The only FPS I play right now is Destiny, and while I LOVE the gameplay mechanics of that game, I prefer the aesthetic qualities of MEA's and some of the mechanics that come with its third-person perspective, namely the cover system, which is, to me, the best this series has seen thus far. That would just not work well in first-person perspective. And then there's power animations. You know it'll just zoom out to third-person whenever a power like biotic charge or nova is activated, much like Destiny's super animations.
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Post by Evanoel on Apr 17, 2017 4:12:34 GMT
Personally, I despise first-person perspective, especially in an RPG. Immersive? How am I supposed to become attached to my character in first person? They're not a person, they're a camera with hands. Yup. It's a deal breaker for me if I'm considering buying a game and it's strictly first person view.
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Post by joglee on Apr 17, 2017 4:25:55 GMT
Personally, I despise first-person perspective, especially in an RPG. Immersive? How am I supposed to become attached to my character in first person? They're not a person, they're a camera with hands. I agree. I think a lot of people hear the term "first person" and immediately think it better represents a real life perspective. What they're failing to realize is in real life, we have peripheral vision and other tools (smell, hearing) that give us a sense of our surroundings. Objectively, third person gaming is actually closer to reality than first person gaming. First person gaming is like walking around wearing horse blinders. edit: First person gaming is also a cop-out in terms of programming. Developers don't have to worry about animating the protagonist or how the protagonist will interact with world obstacles in first person games. I agree. No game will ever properly emulate first person perspective. Especially games with guns. The way sights work and the way the game has to portray them is no where near what using a rifle in real life looks like, then you have the whole you may...or may not see your legs, however in real life looking down we see a whole lot more than our legs. Then we have peripheral vision and a rather wide angle of view that our brain combines seamlessly into a image, another thing games cannot do right without resorting to a fish lens huge FOV. Then we run into the issue of every single joint in the body is tied to the camera....or eyes in games, which in real life we can move idividually without even having to look a direction. To me FPS games just never do it good enough to hook me and draw me in.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 17, 2017 4:31:00 GMT
chron·ic ˈkränik/ adjective adjective: chronic
(of an illness) persisting for a long time or constantly recurring. "chronic bronchitis" synonyms: persistent, long-standing, long-term; More incurable; immedicable "a chronic illness" antonyms: acute (of a person) having an illness persisting for a long time or constantly recurring. "a chronic asthmatic" (of a problem) long-lasting and difficult to eradicate. "the school suffers from chronic overcrowding" synonyms: constant, continuing, ceaseless, unabating, unending, persistent, long-lasting; More severe, serious, acute, grave, dire "chronic economic problems" antonyms: temporary (of a person) having a particular bad habit. "a chronic liar" synonyms: habitual, inveterate, hardened, dyed-in-the-wool, incorrigible; More compulsive; informalpathological "a chronic liar" antonyms: occasional
Origin late Middle English: from French chronique, via Latin from Greek khronikos ‘of time,’ from khronos ‘time.’ Translate chronic to Use over time for: chronic
Not sure this word makes sense in context of your statement. Unless you mean the third person perspective is consistent? Last the entire game? In which case...yes, obviously it does. It wouldnt randomly change perspective mid game, that would be jarring and make zero sense.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 17, 2017 6:40:43 GMT
Personally, I despise first-person perspective, especially in an RPG. Immersive? How am I supposed to become attached to my character in first person? They're not a person, they're a camera with hands. This. There are few first person games I'll play due to this vacuous mechanic (Dishonored would be an exception that is tolerable despite being 1st person).
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 17, 2017 7:48:03 GMT
Why do I feel like this thread is a troll thread?
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 17, 2017 7:58:42 GMT
Why do I feel like this thread is a troll thread? Perhaps because the thread title makes no sense?
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