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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 5, 2016 15:36:52 GMT
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Post by shechinah on Sept 5, 2016 16:44:19 GMT
This is a long one buuut I think it might be interesting.
At 0:42, a desert-like enviroment can be seen with the N7. I believe this is same planet where the N7 is seen with the female squadmate and the krogan squadmate. The enviroment and most importantly the plant-like resemble each other. I think this is also the same planet where the N7 is seen climbing on the ground.
At 0:45, we see Ryder in an enviroment looks like the one seen in the others but with what appears to be a sandstorm. Furthermore, the creature that is seen charging Ryder appears to be similar to the creature seen at 01:16. We see a struture next to Ryder and crates on the other side of Ryder. This could suggest that this is a base, possibly a colony.
I believe that the creature we see at 0:45 and 01:16 are of the same race so to speak since they appear similar in mass and build. The creature at 01:16 appears to have skin that resembles a rock surface that you might see in the aforementioned desert enviroment. I do not think the creature at 0:45 was glowing, however, so that may be something that is natural to the creature or it might be something that indicates that something was done to it. The scene at 0:45 seem to take place inside a structure of some kind given that we see ceiling and walls with lights. A special thing I want to note is that if you stop the video at 1:16, you can see that this appears to be built into a cavern-like room judging by what appears to be rocks on the right side.
Theory:
My theory is that this might be a colony or mining site in progress. In the case of it being a colony site in progress, it is possible they built the colony downward because of sandstorms and other harsh weathers.
I would also note that we do not see Ryder with any squadmates. I grant that this may be because they are not visible in the shot but consider that we see the N7 with two squadmates on what looks to be the same planet, I do wonder and propose that perhaps Ryder was left at this base only to be attacked unexpectedly. If we go by my aforementioned theory then the N7 and squad might have been sent to the planet to investigate a threat, anomaly or something. The N7 might set up an outpost at the site and leave Ryder and possibly others there while going off with the two squadmates to check out the terrain, look for signs or maybe do a perimeter check.
At 0:58, we see Ryder running seemingly alone in the same enviroment. Note the tracks on the ground that steem to stem from a vehicle and that Ryder seems to be following them. I think Ryder is trying to track the N7 and the squad by following the tracks left by their vehicle so that Ryder can warn them or because Ryder has realized there's someone else on the planet and they might have been lured to the planet in order for them to be ambushed.
Additionally: At 0:57, we see a developer with a screen featuring a character in motion which transitions into what appears to be male Ryder running in the same enviroment. The reason I bring this up is simply because I noticed the design of Ryder's helmet looks a lot like the N7's in the sense that they both have a bubble-like visor and the same thing near the mouth of the helmet. This is also visible at 1:07. Our gal in grey armor seemed to have what appeared to be a helmet in the more classical style.
I'll continue this below with some screenshots. Please tell me if it becomes too muddled.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 5, 2016 17:26:45 GMT
Now here I was so lucky to find a gif so hopefully that'll work: cloud-3.steamusercontent.com/ugc/492400140713922482/6AC5E59AB8908232CABD9EF0DB0BEABCFAC57A77/Another theory is that the structure seen where Ryder and the creature is actually belongs to the aliens. I'm not so sure about that because I think it bears a resemblence to architecture we've seen in the Milky Way. In the gif above, you can also see giant structures that look different than the aforementioned architecture and seem to have places where it glows blue. I cannot quite tell whether or not this might be ships that have landed since I don't recall seeing anything like it in the other shots of the planet. I suppose a possibiliy is cloaking technology but that would be speculation. A thing I would like to note is the N7's armor or more exactly what is on the N7's armor in the first screenshot above: dust. The armor in the second screenshot do not seem to be dusty. Let's suppose that this is intentional and not simply because this is not a finished product. This could suggest that the armor is dusted off before they head out which would need to be done in a shelter to prevents more dust. This likely not be done in a vehicle due to the risk of the inside becoming dusty. This could be used to support the theory that they made base although it is possible they have a ship to retreat to in which case the the squad would likely be decontaminated. Theory:The reason the armor appears dusty in the first screenshot is because the first screenshot takes place after the fifth screenshot where the N7 has been on the ground or against a possible dusty rock surface. This would mean that the N7 seemingly does not suffer harm in the battle and that the battle has ended given that in the first screenshot, the N7 is standing upright with holstered weaponry. Additionally:At 0:34, we see what appears to be the Tempest flying on a desert-like planet that looks like the enviroment we've seen above. It also appears there's some sandstorm action going. Are they perhaps unable to leave the planet because of it? I also wonder why at 0:35, it looks like the Tempest is about to fly into a grim-looking tornado. An evasive manoeuvre?
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Post by shechinah on Sept 5, 2016 17:34:42 GMT
At 0:43, we see the creature running towards Ryder but on the computer. Here we see its mouh open and it looks somewhat like the glowing creature's mouth. I'd need a second opinion on that.
A loose theory is that the creatures might even be the same since at 0:45, we see what looks to be an explosion of an unknown kind which may not be gameplay as initially suspected. It looks to have occured while Ryder was reloading their weapon and looked like it came off-screen from the right side. This may, however, simply be an unseen squadmate.
I think the explosion might be larger than it initially appears and it might have knocked out Ryder seeing as the explosion envelope the screen. This is a bit hard to see because it is so close to when the screen fades to black. It might, however, simply be Ryder moving back.
For now, this seems to be all I have on the western-styled planet so far.
Note: On checking closer, it does appear that Ryder was simply moving as I caught the footage just before it went black and Ryder appears still standing with their head facing foreward as before.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 5, 2016 17:56:42 GMT
Oh, I actually have a few more things:
The presence of a krogan with the N7 and the human squadmate could indicate that the squad is multiracial rather than it becoming multiracial like in the trilogy. The krogan's armor does not match well with the terrain of the planet but the black and white colors do seem to match with the grey of the female human and the black of the N7. Something interesting about it is that the color and the round blue on it bear a resemblence to the unidentified architecture seen in the gif above. Scavenged technology used for armor or is it our structure?
At 01:07, you see Ryder using a biotic move in the desert enviroment. The structures and crates in the background look to be the same as the ones that can be seen in the scene with Ryder and the charging creature.
At 01:19, the architecture style might be the same that is used in the desert planet where we see Ryder and the charging creature as well as Ryder and the glowing creature. I think this architecture style was also seen on the rainy planet in the technical footage.
I also think that the headplates of the krogan in the same scene look like the headplates of the gas-wielding krogan from the technical footage. The other krogan as seen above seem to have headplates that are too light to match. That may, however, be a trick of the light. At 01:20, it seems there might be an opening to the outside. If you look at the upper right corner then there's this shape of blue that could be the sky.
The ship that appears at 01:23 has "boosters" that look like the ones the Tempest and for that matter, the Normandy has. It also appears to be in the same that was featured in the technical footage due to the rain, architecture style and background. It might also be the place as at 01:01 due to the weather and lightning.
At 01:01, a krogan and what might be the female squadmate can be seen surrounded by what appears to be debris with some of said debris burning. A crash?
It is possible that the scene at 01:11 takes place on the same desert planet as I've gone over but I am uncertain due to the different terrain and lack of flora. I do, however, believe it takes place on the same planet where we see the tresher maw-like creature erupt from the ground due to the similar sky.
At 01:08, a vehicle can be seen driving in an enviroment has rocks that resemble the ones from the western desert. This might indicate that Ryder or Ryder with the squad spend, at least, one night there.
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Post by goishen on Sept 5, 2016 23:38:50 GMT
Actually, the woman in white-ish armor may not even play a role. Or rather, play a role like Jenkins played a role from the first ME. Take this into consideration.
An ark ship leaves a group on the desert planet, somebody comes and invades it (and the aliens win, thus killing the female), then they take the group prisoner. the aliens torture the N7 so badly that he wants revenge and thinks that no (whatever this type of alien is) alien should live. Then, they stage a prison break, call the ark ship for help, somebody comes down, and that's the guy that is dropped off'a the cliff. That's when the whole Cerberus thing starts in, because he's been hurt so badly, that it starts making "Cerberus look good to him."
Boom, nailed it.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 5, 2016 23:50:29 GMT
As far as theories go I think the male is a sibling of Ryders who may become the antagonist, or is basically a red herring to help drive the plot forward.
No real evidence other than theory here, based on BioWare's own words, but take that as you will I guess, if you trust BioWare's words or not.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Sept 6, 2016 0:04:02 GMT
Assuming that the N7 guy is actually an antagonist, I'm getting here a similar vibe to how Bioware handled the grey wardens in DA:I. The act of shitting on a symbol that was important to a protagonist from a previous game. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it does seem part of an overall attitude that pushes moral relativism. (I dislike preachy writers, not necessarily the actual idea) I got the same vibe too. I m sure our character won't be N7 and something tells me he/she will not like N7s or the military in general. A rather peaceful person who loves exploring, forced to actually start fighting.
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 6, 2016 5:01:53 GMT
Well I had a theory about the Arks, wasn't well taken on reddit, and pretty much got debunked by Walters' suggestion that we leave prior to ME3.
I speculated that each Ark is powered by a modified version of Crucible, since the drive of each Ark resembles a crucible, spherical part and thrusters on the end of a long axis. And it would kinda make sense in-universe, Crucible releases energy, maybe after ME3 it got modified to release it continuously. Also, could solve the drive discharge problem, and the fuel, well, the original crucible released shitton of energy, somehow, on its own.
Alas, that has been shot down. I cannot wait to see when exactly do we leave, and how the hell do Arks travel that distance.
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Post by zlojeb on Sept 6, 2016 5:07:12 GMT
shechinah about the dust on the armor: it's possible they didn't have particles accumulating on the armor in the game when they did 2015 trailer while they implemented that in time for EA Play video(I mean, some shots in the 2015 trailer even miss shadows that characters should be drawing). Battlefront has it, and it looks amazing, snow, mud, sand and dirt start covering stormtrooper and scum armour in each match after a while.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 11:47:12 GMT
shechinah about the dust on the armor: it's possible they didn't have particles accumulating on the armor in the game when they did 2015 trailer while they implemented that in time for EA Play video(I mean, some shots in the 2015 trailer even miss shadows that characters should be drawing). Battlefront has it, and it looks amazing, snow, mud, sand and dirt start covering stormtrooper and scum armour in each match after a while. Yeah, the theory only works if you suppose that the lack of dust was intentional and not simply because it was not implemented. I wanted to propose it even if I thought it was very unlikely. Despite my worries, it does seem like the N7 is around for more than one planet since we see him and a krogan on the rainy planet.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 11:59:35 GMT
As far as theories go I think the male is a sibling of Ryders who may become the antagonist, or is basically a red herring to help drive the plot forward. No real evidence other than theory here, based on BioWare's own words, but take that as you will I guess, if you trust BioWare's words or not. That's one of my main theories about the N7: that he is a part of Ryder's family specifically a sibling. If the N7 does have a part as either an antagonist or a red herring then he likely has a set gender to save on cost. While Dragon Age 2 had Bethany and Carver, they did become very absent after the first act but it is possible the N7 might similarly be absent after a certain point with the exception of a few scenes here and there and perhaps non-speaking moments.
The theory might also explain why we have not seen the N7 without his helmet if we consider that his appearance might be dependant upon Ryder's appearance or that we also customize his appearance in the character creator. This may be the trick they spoke about. This is mostly speculation, though, since we've only seen him in footage where he's been on the field.
The trick may also simply be that the character creator does not have defaults and instead randomizes the character it presents the player with upon entering the cc thus there never really is a default.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 12:17:10 GMT
Actually, the woman in white-ish armor may not even play a role. Or rather, play a role like Jenkins played a role from the first ME. Take this into consideration. An ark ship leaves a group on the desert planet, somebody comes and invades it (and the aliens win, thus killing the female), then they take the group prisoner. the aliens torture the N7 so badly that he wants revenge and thinks that no (whatever this type of alien is) alien should live. Then, they stage a prison break, call the ark ship for help, somebody comes down, and that's the guy that is dropped off'a the cliff. That's when the whole Cerberus thing starts in, because he's been hurt so badly, that it starts making "Cerberus look good to him." Boom, nailed it.
I don't know; someone corresponding to her appearance seem to appear in different enviroments from the desert, the lightning, the firefight and the rainy (if you count technical footage). She might be a late Jenkins in the sense that she dies later but it seems like she sticks around to play the role of squadmate for a good amount of time.
I really hope they don't go that way with the N7 because it'd just seem a repeat of Cerberus and I'm so bored with Cerberus especially given that the writers didn't seem like they knew what Cerberus was suppose to be. I have no interest in Cerberus and "We're pro-human but we really love doing awful things to humans!"
Seriously, if they'd just made the Illusive Man's motivation for those experiments being that he thought it was necessary because of the Reapers then I'd consider the motivation a lot less nonsensical; he wants to create stronger biotics to combat the Reapers, he wants to control the geth to combat the Reapers, he wants to breed Rachni to control the Reapers and so on. The assassination attempts he makes including on elected officials is because he believes the people he puts in charge can take orders from him or are better suited to deal with what's coming. He could have been using the pro-human agenda as a way of garnering funds. Worse, this seemed to be what his motivation was in Mass Effect 3 especially given his backstory but because that didn't seem to be around at all in Mass Effect 2, it didn't come off right. The Illusive Man could basically have been the epitome of the end justifies the means.
Argh, i'm ranting about Cerberus again; I'm sorry.
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Post by nanotm on Sept 6, 2016 12:33:21 GMT
has anyone thought that ryder might of been uplinked to complete the N7 training whilst in hyper sleep for a couple of hundred years ? she might be a xeno archiologist and explorer who's been given subliminal training that instead of being fully unlocked when she wakes up only kicks in when required for survival.... if I was in charge of putting together a team for a mission like this I would certainly be prepared to recruit the "weakest" people for the job and "upload the training required to them as they slept on the journey" providing they fit the psych profile needed for it to succeed, just pure speculation of course but given the guy dropped off the cliff looks a lot like shepard and we already know Cerberus cloned him at least once (thanks to citadel) whats to prevent the N7 in black from being a dodgy shep clone that trys to further Cerberus goals and gets taken out once the rest figure it out? I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case and it would certainly fit with how they managed to put together the team and send it off into the unknown before the reapers final assault took place, indeed that would make the released footage make sense as to why the milky way folks have an uneasy alliance and ryder is now in charge of the mission and the ship.... oh what a tangled web we weave in some ways I kinda hope I got it right with my speculation
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 12:37:26 GMT
Joke theory: Ryder is actually the designated driver of the vehicle but ends up losing it after a drunk bout which is why Ryder is running along the tracks trying to find it. They and another squadmate are basically re-enacting the premise of "Dude, where's my car?".
Meanwhile, the N7 and squad are waiting in the desert for Ryder only to decide to skip the waiting and hijack a vehicle from the aliens they see. The aliens we see them charging are actually trying to protect themselves getting carjacked.
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Post by Heimdall on Sept 6, 2016 12:39:31 GMT
Assuming that the N7 guy is actually an antagonist, I'm getting here a similar vibe to how Bioware handled the grey wardens in DA:I. The act of shitting on a symbol that was important to a protagonist from a previous game. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it does seem part of an overall attitude that pushes moral relativism. (I dislike preachy writers, not necessarily the actual idea) My theory, springing from the comments about Ryder's family, is that the N7 guy we've seen is actually the protagonist's older sibling. We could be the Carver to the N7 sibling's Hawke. That either means the N7 sibling will become a rival of some kind, that we measure ourself against as we gain our own N7 stripes. Or they go rogue and we get set against them. Or both.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 14:44:47 GMT
Just leaving the E3 2015 trailer and the E3 2016 trailer here:
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 14:47:55 GMT
The structures that I wondered about in the scene where the N7 and squad are charging at aliens; it seems they rise up from the ground on the planet. It also looks like the vehicle is deployed similar to how it was in Mass Effect 1. The ship's control panel looks the same in both videos so I wonder if the interface we see the N7 use is also a part of the game. An example would be the slide footage.
I also kind of find it funny that he slides to the fire and brimstone-like planet and then he slides back to the western planet almost like he went: "yeah, no, screw that planet."
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Post by Monk on Sept 6, 2016 15:11:42 GMT
The theory might also explain why we have not seen the N7 without his helmet if we consider that his appearance might be dependant upon Ryder's appearance or that we also customize his appearance in the character creator. This may be the trick they spoke about. This is mostly speculation, though, since we've only seen him in footage where he's been on the field.
The trick may also simply be that the character creator does not have defaults and instead randomizes the character it presents the player with upon entering the cc thus there never really is a default. I'm of the opinion the said "trick" is the one they used with DA2. While the twins don't completely change with the same changes made to Hawke, there were some changes made, like with the eyes, hair, etc.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 15:24:18 GMT
The theory might also explain why we have not seen the N7 without his helmet if we consider that his appearance might be dependant upon Ryder's appearance or that we also customize his appearance in the character creator. This may be the trick they spoke about. This is mostly speculation, though, since we've only seen him in footage where he's been on the field.
The trick may also simply be that the character creator does not have defaults and instead randomizes the character it presents the player with upon entering the cc thus there never really is a default. I'm of the opinion the said "trick" is the one they used with DA2. While the twins don't completely change with the same changes made to Hawke, there were some changes made, like with the eyes, hair, etc.
If the theory becomes confirmed then I'm hoping that they do it more in the style of Fallout 4's cc: the player is able to customize not only the player character but also the player character's spouse. It can be used to convey some nice things; the spouse of my first character was asian specifically chinese and had bad burns which went way to explain his spouse' attitude on some things including her not been freaked out by some things and speaking out rather harshly on or being able to relate to others.
It can also give some freedoms that may not be seen as much to some people but can be worth quite a lot to others like, say, that one or both are adopted. Add in that it can help avoid some issues in the case of siblings not quite looking alike when they were suppose to.
Again, may not seem like much to some but to others, it can do wonders.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 6, 2016 16:03:55 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Either way, it strongly suggests the genophage is cured and becomes canon.
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Post by shechinah on Sept 6, 2016 16:28:40 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Either way, it strongly suggests the genophage is cured and becomes canon.
Let me just move what I wrote over in the Twitter thread to here. it seems appropriate since this is theories and speculation:
Sartoz Exactly!
This brings up interesting questions. Why is a female Krogan in a combat team? The Krogan colony survival depends on safeguarding its fertile female population of which there are not many. Or was the genophage cured? If cured, I can see females in the squad. It's a simple binary decision that will determine the role of the Krogans in Andromeda. Bio, here, has no choice but to choose one option. This item requires a canon text in the prequel novel if nothing is mentioned in the game.
Not necessarily: there are krogan females who are infertile. She could have been one who decided to become a mercenary like so many other krogans who'd come to no longer care about their people. We know female krogan can kick all kinds of ass so I see no reason why this theoretical krogan female couldn't just be a mercenary who saw a well-paying gig and went for it.
It wouldn't be odd if they wanted to hire on some carefully vetted krogan for the expedition since krogans are known to be able to survive in incredibly toxic enviroments and against incredibly tough creatures. The krogans would all be sterile so there wouldn't be any risk of them reproducing as far as the expedition knows. Like I said, a lot of the krogan outside of Tuchanka don't care for krogan because they don't believe they have a future so there'd certainly be some who'd have no problem leaving the galaxy. I could even see some of them being legitimately interested in being a part of this expedition since it would be a way for them to set their mark somewhere else.
If Bioware later down the line decides they want to bring back the krogan as a surviving race without re-treading the issue of their reproductive rate then a way could be similar to Okeer's with the babies being tank-bred perhaps with the help of some new technology. These baby krogan might still be sterile but the process functions as a way of reproducing. Could be an interesting way these krogan develope and differentiate themselves from the krogan we've seen back in the Milky Way especially since tank-bred was something they were disgusted by but something these krogans might embrace.
I also thought I'd bring up that there might not be much sexual dimorphism when it comes to the krogan: I don't recall Eve looking all that different from Wrex in height, build and in terms of what we could see of her face. Even if both of the krogan we've seen in the footage look like Wrex, this might mean nothing.
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Post by CHRrOME on Sept 6, 2016 16:36:16 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Either way, it strongly suggests the genophage is cured and becomes canon. Canon? don't think so. Bioware is allergic to that word.
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