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Post by dino on Apr 29, 2017 9:40:25 GMT
I really like Liam! Everytime when I'm playing a female Ryder he is the one I try not to romance again. And it's pretty hard for me. Jacob was too boring for me tbh. :C
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 9:49:57 GMT
Liam is by far my most disliked squad mate ever, he's taken Jacob's crown. I think the difference is that Jacob wasn't particularly well done, but he was alright. And I can kill him. In my opinion Liam is badly written and badly voice acted, so instead of 'not personally liking him' as some do with Viv, I actually think his whole creation is below par and he's a weak character. There's a difference between a well written character you don't personally like, and a plain old badly written one.
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Post by timebean on Apr 29, 2017 15:40:44 GMT
I didn't dislike Jacob as much as I disliked my femRyders interactions with him. I actually thought it was kind sweet in ME2 when he had a wife who was gonna have a baby. He found purpose in life, which is what he was looking for.
I have no idea what the hell Liam is looking for...except for his next dose of Adderall...and his shirt.
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Post by Thalandor on Apr 29, 2017 23:12:58 GMT
Liam is the only character whom I didn't quite understand his personality. I guess that's a feat in itself, because every character in this game was very uni-dimensional and can be summed up in a couple words. For example: Cora: Has Asari fetish Drack: His old quads Peebee: Attachment issues Vetra: Sid this, Sid that Jaal: Angaran family wierdness Liam: ???
So, what was Liam about? Maybe I skipped too much, or I just couldn't get over his accent.
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Post by fuzzyshep on Apr 29, 2017 23:48:34 GMT
I think Liam's a great pal but sometimes when I'm burnt out on planet missions and I do my rounds of Tempest hellos? His needling about needing more outposts bums me out big time and I just wanna bust out with "I'M DOING MY BEST LIAM. JEEZ." Wish they threw in more friendly dialogue in between. He shares my big brother's name though, so I can't get all that mad at the guy. Tbh, I remember my least favorite being Vega and even he grew on me. I'm a softy for my teams every time. Vega's a great guy. I'm not sure why a number of people dislike him... I don't dislike him. I don't dislike any of my squadmates, it just took me longer to warm up to him because they introduced him really abruptly as someone my Shepard already kind of knew. I had no access to DLC content at the time so there was no extra bonding at parties n whatnot for me.
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Post by Thalandor on Apr 30, 2017 0:25:56 GMT
Vega's a great guy. I'm not sure why a number of people dislike him... Vega was a good guy, the reason a number of people dislike him is Bioware fucked up his introduction in ME:3. One of the first time you interact with him just after Earth, you have to "bring him in line" because he's insubordinating you, then he crashes the shuttle at the end of the Mars mission, and then when you talk to him on the first casual conversation on the Normandy you have to box with him in a very akward scene. Then if you're female Shep he calls you Lola, which is nice but given the circumstances before it feels a bit like the guy needs to be put in his place. But he's actually a good character when you get to know him, just a fucked up introduction, and most people will never bother with him again because of that.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 30, 2017 6:12:04 GMT
I like Liam, he's a flawed but relatable person.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Apr 30, 2017 17:43:38 GMT
I LOVE Liam. *dances off lalalalaICantHearYouHaters!lalalala*
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Post by duskwanderer on May 1, 2017 0:25:13 GMT
I don't care much for the Andromeda squadmates outside of Vetra and Peebee (but that's only because she makes me laugh)
Liam is funny sometimes, but mostly he just blends into the background and occasionally chimes in with a British accent. I didn't have a strong opinion.
I never hated Jacob. I thought he was useless, but that was for gameplay related reasons, no reason to take him over Grunt. Cheating on Shepard was crap, but since I never romance him, it never comes up. I hated Wrex, Aria, and Liara more than Jacob.
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Post by palker4 on May 1, 2017 6:29:54 GMT
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Post by Ahriman on May 1, 2017 12:09:06 GMT
So, what was Liam about? Maybe I skipped too much, or I just couldn't get over his accent.
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Post by liquidsnake on May 1, 2017 13:10:45 GMT
Yeah, nah, Jacob isn't the worst any longer. Honestly I just thought Liam was a bit boring and kind of an impulsive knucklehead but then he royally screwed up leading to his loyalty mission... which was pretty fun and quite funny so I was really nice to him afterward and told him not to worry about what happened, just that we had won the day. Then he invited me to Eos afterward and called my Ryder a jerk at the end of the cutscene... So I full on do not like the guy. I want him off my ship for MEA2. Besides that, none of the other squadmates seem to like him either based on the Nomad dialogue.. My squad is small. I need everyone to get along. Even Cora and Peebee seem to find some middle ground.
So, Jacob ranks higher than Liam for me.
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Post by smilesja on May 1, 2017 16:30:51 GMT
Yeah, nah, Jacob isn't the worst any longer. Honestly I just thought Liam was a bit boring and kind of an impulsive knucklehead but then he royally screwed up leading to his loyalty mission... which was pretty fun and quite funny so I was really nice to him afterward and told him not to worry about what happened, just that we had won the day. Then he invited me to Eos afterward and called my Ryder a jerk at the end of the cutscene... So I full on do not like the guy. I want him off my ship for MEA2. Besides that, none of the other squadmates seem to like him either based on the Nomad dialogue.. My squad is small. I need everyone to get along. Even Cora and Peebee seem to find some middle ground. So, Jacob ranks higher than Liam for me. I think Jaal liked Liam and he eventually made amends with Vetra.
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Post by VanVanDiane on May 1, 2017 18:35:50 GMT
Yeah, nah, Jacob isn't the worst any longer. Honestly I just thought Liam was a bit boring and kind of an impulsive knucklehead but then he royally screwed up leading to his loyalty mission... which was pretty fun and quite funny so I was really nice to him afterward and told him not to worry about what happened, just that we had won the day. Then he invited me to Eos afterward and called my Ryder a jerk at the end of the cutscene... Yeah why does he do that? My first play through I got part way through romancing him but dropped him - I thought maybe he was holding a grudge... does he just call everyone that then or what? As regards Jacob I couldn't stand the way my femshep spoke to him - the full on flirt delivery set my teeth on edge, so I just stopped speaking to him outside of doing his loyalty mission...
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Post by liquidsnake on May 1, 2017 18:47:56 GMT
Yeah, nah, Jacob isn't the worst any longer. Honestly I just thought Liam was a bit boring and kind of an impulsive knucklehead but then he royally screwed up leading to his loyalty mission... which was pretty fun and quite funny so I was really nice to him afterward and told him not to worry about what happened, just that we had won the day. Then he invited me to Eos afterward and called my Ryder a jerk at the end of the cutscene... Yeah why does he do that? My first play through I got part way through romancing him but dropped him - I thought maybe he was holding a grudge... does he just call everyone that then or what? As regards Jacob I couldn't stand the way my femshep spoke to him - the full on flirt delivery set my teeth on edge, so I just stopped speaking to him outside of doing his loyalty mission... I guess he must. I play as Scott and I've been pretty nice to him through my entire game so far. In ME2 I was always Male Shepard, so as far as Jacob is concerned he was just kind of boring more than anything. I mean.. back to Liam, I think he's just saying it as a joke. I'm paraphrasing but he says something like you're a bit of a jerk as a person but as Pathfinder you are great. My character generally goes for emotional/casual dialogue so maybe that has something to do with it? It just doesn't really come off as a joke and considering how he treats Vetra especially in the Nomad, I don't take it as a joke from him. My dialogue right before he says it was being forced to either tell him he's a friend or a good asset to the team... which kind of makes it even worse since on top of everything I just had to complement the guy and he still insults me. Liam's just overall kind of a jerk to everyone and then tries to act like he just wants to bring everyone together. The worst part is from pre-release I read that he was supposed to be funny and he's just.. not. Even on his loyalty missions the parts I thought were the funniest were the lines you can have Ryder deliver.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 18:58:21 GMT
Liam is the only character whom I didn't quite understand his personality. I guess that's a feat in itself, because every character in this game was very uni-dimensional and can be summed up in a couple words. For example: Cora: Has Asari fetish Drack: His old quads Peebee: Attachment issues Vetra: Sid this, Sid that Jaal: Angaran family wierdness Liam: ??? So, what was Liam about? Maybe I skipped too much, or I just couldn't get over his accent. Liam is about hating "us" vs "them" and wanting everyone to be bros. Like, seriously, world peace through grass roots. A power of one man to do good.
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Post by uirebhiril on May 1, 2017 23:04:41 GMT
I think part of the problem people see with Liam is a result of how the writing is at odds with itself. The disagreements with squadmates sometimes don't fire properly, or at all if someone has the banter bug. He's the most chill guy on the ship and yet they wanted to show how the characters come to know each other in Nomad banter and that leaves some of them looking not so great, especially if you don't have two characters together long enough for them to work it out. And the part with a Liam you agree with calling you a jerk seems to fire at odd times for people too, even those that romance him and have agreed with everything. So... who knows? Maybe a bug, maybe stupid pacing/dialogue progression.
Either way, he's not a bad guy and wants to do things right. He's just too flighty for that to work out without having some direction. Which he does recognize after his loyalty mission, and I hope they continue that growth for him in DLC and potentially MEA2. I mean, what's the point if a character doesn't learn and grow from their experiences in the world?
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Post by Sairys on May 2, 2017 2:25:09 GMT
No. I still dislike Jacob more, though I fucking hate Peepee the most. Peebee needs to be locked into an escape pod and ejected. After her stunt with the escape pod, Sara should have at the very least the option on the conversation wheel to kick her off the team. Instead we are forced to forgive that shit?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 13:06:37 GMT
Maybe it is important to consider approximate (as I see and feel it) age of squadmates too (where it was not said specifically like in case of Drack and Jaal). Normally I would not be bothered by it, but maybe it is something to keep in mind. CORA - age maybe 28 - 32 years? Ex military raised in spaceship without real home to talk about. She was shaped by her experience with asari commandos and it is understandable that she holds them in high regard because they made her feel welcome. Her parents sent her away because of her abilities. Alliance sent her away because of her abilities. Eventually even asari sent her away without real explanation. So it is relatable that she believes in AI and gives it 100%. Because maybe one day it will be able to welcome people with overpowered abilities like hers without prejudice and fear. Alec Ryder recognised that in her and knew it will make her an invaluable asset for your squad. VETRA - age maybe 28 - 32? She was still a teenager when her parents left her with resposibility to take care of herself and her sister who was barely one year old at that time. Just try to imagine that. She did everything she could to ensure safety and well being of her sister. She had to grow up and become adult too fast. Turian rigid military doctrine is partly to blame for the fact she had to raise her own sister by herself as an outsider from turian society, so she sees Initiative as opportunity to start life without old grudges and mistakes from past. JAAL - age 27. Resistance fighter who fights not just because he wants to, but because it is expected from him too. He took the leap to the unknown and joined your squad despite fact he knew nothing about you or your squad. His trust in Initiative has to be earned which is understandable considering what happened last time angara trusted new species from another galaxy. But once you earn it, he becomes invaluable part of squad and understands that Iniatitive species and angara should cooperate and fight together against common enemy. DRACK - 1400 years old. Skilled merc and battlemaster tired by his life and old grudges against krogan race. He knows AI is the best chance for his granddaughter and krogan as a whole to start anew and fight to ensure that new start is possible. As it turned out, even for him. PEEBEE - age 100 and change I believe Young, impulsive, free spirit, lover of the unknown, self - motivated and independent person who had to learn to rely more on herself after she was betrayed and discarded by her former lover. That betrayal evidently brought her pain and caused her to become more guarded and distant towards other people. She does not want her feelings get hurt again. She eventually understands that she can trust you and your squad without fear of being used again. LIAM - age maybe 20 - 23? Youngest (if I understood party banter correctly) squadmember who is idealistic, dedicated and passionate about AI and its cause more than anyone else in your team. Shaped by his experiences from Milky way where he struggled to find his place and purpose, which he found during his work with HUSTL, (civilian not military) unit that made him feel like he was finally helping people like he always wanted. He was picked by Alec Ryder as your squadmate specifically because of his idealism, history, skills and potential for the future. These same personality traits get him in trouble eventually and it is up to you to either support him and show him a better way for the future or hate him simply for being who he is and the way he is trying to help (his methods suited him perfectly for crisis response so it is natural he sticks to it). He recognises that he made a mistake, APOLOGISE and promise to be more careful in future. Because whole AI is not at all about the fact that everybody, who dared to jump 2 million light years to another galaxy, deserve a second chance and better future, right? Liam is the only member of your team who is not running away from something and from his past. He left behind good life and his whole family and friends, so it is understandable that he is trying to do his best and ensure the success of AI. Maybe his methods are risky, but he has good intentions behind them. Anyway, this is just my opinion and my understanding of squadmates in MEA. If you really care about the game and its story it is at least worth thinking about. If you do not care then I simply cant understand why you bother with all that hate towards Liam. Oh, and that constant comparing of him to Jacob is just ridiculous. Everytime I see it I literally roll my eyes. I kinda hoped people would not go there but I suppose it was too much to ask for. It is also kinda ridiculous when someone literally say they skipped entire conversations with him or did not finish all his Nomad banters with other squadmates and then complain how much they hate him or do not understand him. Sorry for long post. Have a nice day everyone.
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