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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 13:47:02 GMT
Well ok not Indoctrinated (Unless SAM is Reaper tech.)
But if you've ever used the following statement to argue against the synthesis endings you have to agree.
"The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither!" - Saren.
And we all know the context of that statement. Saren, having doubts about the Reaper Sovereign is implanted with a direct link to Sovereign in his brain.
Allowing Sovereign to control him more thoroughly by making subtle suggestions.
(Ryder, perhaps you should scan that object.)
(Ryder, make your way down that hallway and then kill those people. )
(Pathfinder, would you kindly.)
Not only that but the implant allows Sovereign to seize control of Sarens physical form and alter it as he saw fit in the final boss battle, greatly enhancing it.
Where does all this lead us you may ask?
Why is this important Zip?
Well, if we continue down this road you may find yourself in a position where "your" Ryder (More appropriately SAMs Ryder) is saying something that sounds like this.....
"I’m not doing this for myself. Don’t you see......My way is the only way any of us will survive. I’m forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom (the initiative) to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die." - Saren.
In truth is thats probably what you've already said several times over in dealing with the Archon.
Archon is defending his people from a race of Alien invaders from dark space and Ryder (Or is it SAM?) perceives that as a threat, so for threatening the initiative, Archon must die.
Ryder is the leader of an armed incursion into Angaran space, from dark space. He arrives assimilating Angaran worlds and absorbing them into the Nexus, in this regard the initiative are his Geth.
But how are our heroes to make it now with the Archon who stands against merging with AI, the "Kett Shepard" if you will, is dead.
The Andromeda "Reapers" have already won.
The situation is grim in andromeda and getting grimmer.
In conclusion.
Ryder is Saren.
*Sips Ryncol*
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 18, 2017 13:49:30 GMT
I think Mac is just still pushing that "Synthesis was the best choice!" business he was pushing in ME3.
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Post by mofojokers on Apr 18, 2017 13:50:08 GMT
Gave you a like because you said the magic words...
I will never forget my first play of Bioshock.😆
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Post by derrame on Apr 18, 2017 13:52:27 GMT
No. SAM is not reaper tech , is Alec Ryder's tech, and is a way to tell the player to scan this or to go there, is like another tutorial, specific for this game now if somebody has Jaardan or Remnant or Kett tech in te brain that is another story
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Post by timebean on Apr 18, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
A slave obeys!! As soon as I got implanted with SAM, I was screaming inside! "Nooooo! I hate synthesis! This is creepy. Get this thing outta my head!!!" I was also raging against my role in DAI. "No!!! I hate religious organizations imposing their will on the masses! I don't want to be a leader of these creepy folks!" I swear, I feel like both of those games are trying to indoctrinate me!
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Post by rasande on Apr 18, 2017 14:10:41 GMT
No. SAM is not reaper tech , is Alec Ryder's tech, and is a way to tell the player to scan this or to go there, is like another tutorial, specific for this game now if somebody has Jaardan or Remnant or Kett tech in te brain that is another story Are you saying Alec Ryder is a reaper!!?
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 14:13:08 GMT
Gave you a like because you said the magic words... I will never forget my first play of Bioshock.😆 None of us will.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 18, 2017 14:13:35 GMT
You're just rudimentary creature of blood and flesh, Zip, incapable of understanding the perfection of symbiosis between a man and a machine. Ryder gets all the guidance and knowledge s/he needs and in return Sam doesn't have to solve sudoku and can touch Cora's butt. And these Kett are waste of air anyway, since they rely on other species to reproduce.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 18, 2017 14:15:46 GMT
Incorrect. Everybody knows that Ryder is actually Revan.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 18, 2017 14:16:59 GMT
The problem I had with Synthesis (well, besides it being completely fucking retarded how an "energy wave" was supposed to make organics part synthetic and synthetics part organic...lulwut?) was the moral issue of it being FORCED on everyone. I'm not a trans-humanist proponent, but neither am I an opponent. I personally see no issues with an AI having access in the same kinda way that SAM does, with one VERY important caveat:
I would have it set that any damage to the human causes equal damage to the AI, and I wouldn't allow the AI to control what I do. SAM augments Ryder's capabilities, but doesn't have any control over what Ryder actually does. Ryder chooses, SAM makes it easier. The stopping the heart part of the deal is why I'd have (in a "perfect" world) some sort of fail safe that if the human dies, the AI is "deleted." The AI then has a very massive incentive to keep the human alive, and with no control over the free will.
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Post by hammerstorm on Apr 18, 2017 14:38:56 GMT
Eh, I trust that the Great Nakmor Drack will make sure that if Ryder becomes as stupid as Saren, he will not live long. Not sure where you got any of the other claims, but since you are Zipzap I will gracefully allow you to continue. And I'm sure there is a nice box beside the Prophet that you can borrow to stand on.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 18, 2017 14:40:14 GMT
Well ok not Indoctrinated (Unless SAM is Reaper tech.) But if you've ever used the following statement to argue against the synthesis endings you have to agree. "The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither!" - Saren. And we all know the context of that statement. Saren, having doubts about the Reaper Sovereign is implanted with a direct link to Sovereign in his brain. Allowing Sovereign to control him more thoroughly by making subtle suggestions. (Ryder, perhaps you should scan that object.) (Ryder, make your way down that hallway and then kill those people. ) (Pathfinder, would you kindly.) Not only that but the implant allows Sovereign to seize control of Sarens physical form and alter it as he saw fit in the final boss battle, greatly enhancing it. Where does all this lead us you may ask? Why is this important Zip? Well, if we continue down this road you may find yourself in a position where "your" Ryder (More appropriately SAMs Ryder) is saying something that sounds like this..... "I’m not doing this for myself. Don’t you see......My way is the only way any of us will survive. I’m forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom (the initiative) to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die." - Saren. In truth is thats probably what you've already said several times over in dealing with the Archon. Archon is defending his people from a race of Alien invaders from dark space and Ryder (Or is it SAM?) perceives that as a threat, so for threatening the initiative, Archon must die. Ryder is the leader of an armed incursion into Angaran space, from dark space. He arrives assimilating Angaran worlds and absorbing them into the Nexus, in this regard the initiative are his Geth. But how are our heroes to make it now with the Archon who stands against merging with AI, the "Kett Shepard" if you will, is dead. The Andromeda "Reapers" have already won. The situation is grim in andromeda and getting grimmer. In conclusion. Ryder is Saren. *Sips Ryncol* Lol
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 18, 2017 14:42:46 GMT
I gave up at "(the) Archon is defending his people (...)"
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Post by themikefest on Apr 18, 2017 14:55:57 GMT
synthesis. What a load of crap. That's because its crap. I believe Bioware made that ending for comedians to use for their opening act to give the audience a good laugh
the sam voice thing being reaper tech? ha. That would make things interesting. Would that mean Ryder would become a husk by the end of the next game, if there is one?
did the benefactor give reaper tech to Alec to improve sam?
Or what if everyone else is indoctrinated, but because Ryder has sam, he/she can't be indoctrinated? The Hyperion, the other ships and Nexus have pieces of Sovereign built in them.
Ok. Enough of that. I don't see the sam thing with reaper tech.
I gave you a like zipzap2000. What other thread will you create? Looking forward to what you come up with.
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Post by Rascoth on Apr 18, 2017 14:56:28 GMT
Oh boy, if this continues, you'll soon run out of livers.
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Post by GreySpectre on Apr 18, 2017 15:01:26 GMT
You need to lay off the ryncol.
*Drinks Tupari*
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Post by Serza on Apr 18, 2017 15:06:41 GMT
Speciest bosh'tet.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 18, 2017 15:12:10 GMT
Ryder can't be Saren, because Saren is Marauder Shields' father.
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Post by Melcara on Apr 18, 2017 15:17:25 GMT
Ryder can't be Saren, because Saren is Marauder Shields' father. He died as Marauder Health
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Post by gplayer on Apr 18, 2017 15:26:30 GMT
So exaltation is a form deprogramming from reaper indoctrination?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 17:12:16 GMT
Well ok not Indoctrinated (Unless SAM is Reaper tech.) But if you've ever used the following statement to argue against the synthesis endings you have to agree. "The relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel, the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither!" - Saren. And we all know the context of that statement. Saren, having doubts about the Reaper Sovereign is implanted with a direct link to Sovereign in his brain. Allowing Sovereign to control him more thoroughly by making subtle suggestions. (Ryder, perhaps you should scan that object.) (Ryder, make your way down that hallway and then kill those people. ) (Pathfinder, would you kindly.) Not only that but the implant allows Sovereign to seize control of Sarens physical form and alter it as he saw fit in the final boss battle, greatly enhancing it. Where does all this lead us you may ask? Why is this important Zip? Well, if we continue down this road you may find yourself in a position where "your" Ryder (More appropriately SAMs Ryder) is saying something that sounds like this..... "I’m not doing this for myself. Don’t you see......My way is the only way any of us will survive. I’m forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom (the initiative) to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die." - Saren. In truth is thats probably what you've already said several times over in dealing with the Archon. Archon is defending his people from a race of Alien invaders from dark space and Ryder (Or is it SAM?) perceives that as a threat, so for threatening the initiative, Archon must die. Ryder is the leader of an armed incursion into Angaran space, from dark space. He arrives assimilating Angaran worlds and absorbing them into the Nexus, in this regard the initiative are his Geth. But how are our heroes to make it now with the Archon who stands against merging with AI, the "Kett Shepard" if you will, is dead. The Andromeda "Reapers" have already won. The situation is grim in andromeda and getting grimmer. In conclusion. Ryder is Saren. *Sips Ryncol* You do understand the issue with synthesis is more how it's done not what it is. Most of the cast of ME and MEA has some form of implant ot has some form of technical upgrade to there body. Synthesis with tech with organics is an eventuality aND the only issue that anyone should have is how it's done not that it's being done.
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Post by kino on Apr 18, 2017 18:07:07 GMT
Can't be Indoctrinated if you don't have Reaper tech. Well, not capital "I" indoctrinated unless you're starting a sentence with "indoctrinated". You could always join a Jim Jones type of cult, I guess. Different indoctrination, but still indoctrinated is indoctrinated, though it may not be Indoctrination.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 18, 2017 18:18:07 GMT
Nice approach Zip. Unfortunately, I can't see the BioWare writers thinking about their own story as much as you do.
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Post by jnericsonx on Apr 18, 2017 18:19:06 GMT
Come on! No one SIPS Ryncol! You chug it, and hope enough nerve endings are fried in your throat as it goes down so you don't feel as much of the burning!
Now, on the other hand....
*Sips Pepsi*
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 18, 2017 19:21:41 GMT
Come on! No one SIPS Ryncol! You chug it, and hope enough nerve endings are fried in your throat as it goes down so you don't feel as much of the burning! Now, on the other hand.... *Sips Pepsi* Just imagine Drack sipping a drink...I can't
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