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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 3:49:09 GMT
Of course, when a game sells millions of copies, literally any position on any aspect of it will have "lots" of adherents .
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 3:58:34 GMT
I love having my position dismissed. It's awesome.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 4:17:41 GMT
Hey, I'm only dismissing your rhetoric. You've been flopping around between vague and overblown.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 4:21:59 GMT
I've been extremely specific, and precise. Please show me where I've been vague or overblown when explaining my position so that I can correct it?
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I've been extremely specific, and precise. Please show me where I've been vague or overblown when explaining my position so that I can correct it? I seem to recall that you had a few spelling errors in that list you made. Might want to correct that...
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Post by Addictress on Apr 22, 2017 5:27:12 GMT
This thread is full of defensive fans ... defending something I thought would finally unify us in contempt of open-world, soulless mediocrity in gaming.
I need to stop lurking here and getting mad.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 5:28:33 GMT
I've been extremely specific, and precise. Please show me where I've been vague or overblown when explaining my position so that I can correct it? You blatantly ducked my question about your methodology for determining when something is an actual problem, for starters. All you've got is a grab-bag of Stuff R'Shara Doesn't Like, which we can presume that "a lot" of other folks don't like too. That "a lot" is meaningless, and you know it. It's rhetorically useful if nobody is paying attention since it implies size without actually committing you to any substantive position, but it's not any kind of argument, unless we're assuming that it's a large percentage. Which we can do, but you already said that it doesn't matter how many other people experience a problem.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 22, 2017 5:31:21 GMT
The MET doesn't really have the best quality of dialogue....... Not too surprising he said that. Sovereign's speech. Anything Harbinger said in combat. The Illusive Man. Anything about The Illusive Man. Miranda. Thane. Legion. Tali's hearing before the admiralty board. Anything with Mordin Solus. Mordin on Omega, confronting his assistant. Acknowledging his mistakes. *Covers face in hands* so much quality dialogue. So many feels.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 5:55:12 GMT
I've been extremely specific, and precise. Please show me where I've been vague or overblown when explaining my position so that I can correct it? You blatantly ducked my question about your methodology for determining when something is an actual problem, for starters. All you've got is a grab-bag of Stuff R'Shara Doesn't Like, which we can presume that "a lot" of other folks don't like too. That "a lot" is meaningless, and you know it. It's rhetorically useful if nobody is paying attention since it implies size without actually committing you to any substantive position, but it's not any kind of argument, unless we're assuming that it's a large percentage. Which we can do, but you already said that it doesn't matter how many other people experience a problem. First: No, I didn't duck your question. I answered it specifically. I also pointed you to the EA Help page for examples of people having the same issues as me. Here's the link if you didn't visit it. answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/bd-p/mass-effect-andromeda-tech-issues-enand answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/bd-p/mass-effect-andromeda-bug-reports-enHere's an example of one of the bugs I mentioned: answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Mass-Effect-Andromeda-New-Game-Empty-Store-Inventory-Bug/td-p/5966696You can find multiple bad character creator threads. You can find multiple critiques of the filler fetch quests, or do what I suggested about opening the map when you first land on a planet. Second: I made a very specific list. I explained the list. My "methodology" as you put it, is this: Is it a bug, is it from lack of polish, is it a mechanic that can negatively affect gameplay, is it bad implementation? Every single thing I listed, if you look around, have had plenty of complaints. Some are just obviously downright bad. I mean seriously, how is using Lexi's head on every. single. asari. other than PeeBee a good game mechanic? Spending more time regenerating life support in the Voeld vault than exploring is fun? My or your opinion on whether the issue actually does negatively affect the gameplay is the subjective portion. That it does affect the gameplay isn't really a question. Third: I said to be specific. Please show me the quote. Fourth: So you object to my using "a lot" because it doesn't mean anything. The other person objects to using "a lot" because it means too many people. I just can't win, can I? Please explain what adjective I should use instead. I don't even know what you are trying to nitpick, other than, "Oh noes, someone else had a worse experience than me and is critical of this game that I like! Can't haz that!"
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Post by colfoley on Apr 22, 2017 6:00:17 GMT
The MET doesn't really have the best quality of dialogue....... Not too surprising he said that. Sovereign's speech. Anything Harbinger said in combat. The Illusive Man. Anything about The Illusive Man. Miranda. Thane. Legion. Tali's hearing before the admiralty board. Anything with Mordin Solus. Mordin on Omega, confronting his assistant. Acknowledging his mistakes. *Covers face in hands* so much quality dialogue. So many feels. there is a lot of quality dialogue. Anything that comes from Jaals mouth is pure gold
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 6:03:30 GMT
I love Jaal to bits, and he's really funny. But a lot of times, his dialogue is really stilted and strangely delivered. I'm trying to head-canon it as English not being his first language/a translator issue, but sometimes it gets really jarring.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 22, 2017 6:05:18 GMT
Sovereign's speech. Anything Harbinger said in combat. The Illusive Man. Anything about The Illusive Man. Miranda. Thane. Legion. Tali's hearing before the admiralty board. Anything with Mordin Solus. Mordin on Omega, confronting his assistant. Acknowledging his mistakes. *Covers face in hands* so much quality dialogue. So many feels. there is a lot of quality dialogue. Anything that comes from Jaals mouth is pure gold No. I don't agree. His lines were better than most, but if he's gold to you... game on. To me, he's just okay.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 22, 2017 6:05:24 GMT
This thread is full of defensive fans ... defending something I thought would finally unify us in contempt of open-world, soulless mediocrity in gaming. I need to stop lurking here and getting mad. You seriously came to a public forum for consensus?
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 22, 2017 6:05:48 GMT
Sovereign's speech. Anything Harbinger said in combat. The Illusive Man. Anything about The Illusive Man. Miranda. Thane. Legion. Tali's hearing before the admiralty board. Anything with Mordin Solus. Mordin on Omega, confronting his assistant. Acknowledging his mistakes. *Covers face in hands* so much quality dialogue. So many feels. there is a lot of quality dialogue. Anything that comes from Jaals mouth is pure gold Didn't you get the memo? No one is sllowed to think Andromeda had anything but terrible writing, dialogue, and open world boredom. I know after the constant deluge of the copy/paste "criticism" has changed my mind. I saw the light! And by light meaning I will probably close my account at this negative cesspool.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 6:07:31 GMT
The MET doesn't really have the best quality of dialogue....... Not too surprising he said that. Sovereign's speech. Anything Harbinger said in combat. Harbinger? Seriously? As for Sovereign, I wasn't actually all that impressed. Yeah, I'm an outlier, but a lot of it sounded like empty bluster, and some was outright pompous nonsense. Though it was pretty good at suggesting to me that Sovereign itself didn't know why the Reapers were doing what they do -- but I doubt that was the design intent.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 22, 2017 6:07:43 GMT
there is a lot of quality dialogue. Anything that comes from Jaals mouth is pure gold Didn't you get the memo? No one is sllowed to think Andromeda had anything but terrible writing, dialogue, and open world boredom. I know after the constant deluge of the copy/paste "criticism" has changed my mind. I saw the light! And by light meaning I will probably close my account at this negative cesspool.Just grab a bag of popcorn.
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Didn't you get the memo? No one is sllowed to think Andromeda had anything but terrible writing, dialogue, and open world boredom. I know after the constant deluge of the copy/paste "criticism" has changed my mind. I saw the light! And by light meaning I will probably close my account at this negative cesspool.Just grab a bag of popcorn. I an trying... but I'd like someplace to talk about Bioware without constant bashing and a circle jerk erupting over The Witcher.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 6:14:30 GMT
Maybe because any time anyone says anything mildly critical of the game, people who like it jump all over 'em while refusing to acknowledge any kind of legitimate complaint?
I've praised multiple aspects of ME:A. I've said I liked it, enjoyed it. I also criticized it with specific examples. Instead of actually thinking, "Hey, maybe some people care about this even though I don't mind it/like it" I've been called names, mocked, and insulted.
I haven't even played the Witcher, and haven't compared ME:A to anything but other Bioware titles, and once, Skyrim.
For example: I really really like the angara. I love their lore, their look, Aya. I find their attitudes fascinating. And I love the way they gradually grow to trust Ryder. And the Moshae is just about the perfect NPC. I want the entire galaxy to be populated by people just like her.
Oh crap, the galaxy IS populated by people just like her (all female angara use the same mesh, all male angara use the same mesh).
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 22, 2017 6:16:08 GMT
This is the sort of thing I was talking about You don't have to experience or agree with them for them to be actual problems. I get that the rhetoric kind of got away from you on this one. But remember, how the thread went was that people looked at your thirteen point list and found that seven or nine or so of the points were invalid, trivial, or apply to all ME games, or some such.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 22, 2017 6:16:29 GMT
The MET doesn't really have the best quality of dialogue....... Not too surprising he said that. Sovereign's speech. Anything Harbinger said in combat. The Illusive Man. Anything about The Illusive Man. Miranda. Thane. Legion. Tali's hearing before the admiralty board. Anything with Mordin Solus. Mordin on Omega, confronting his assistant. Acknowledging his mistakes. *Covers face in hands* so much quality dialogue. So many feels. My favorite scenes in the entire trilogy that are always going to be remembered with fondness: 1. Garrus and I break countless Citadel ordinances to have a friendly competition of marksmanship. 2. Liara shares her dread of being futile and useless. She records an SOS for the next cycle. 3. Omega is taken back from Cerberus 4. The after party on the Citadel 5. Tali removes her mask and breathes in her home planet's air. 6. Mordin singing and then sacrificing himself. 7. Defeating the Thresher Maw with Grunt 8. Getting the Turian Lieutenant to shut down the Cerberus bomb. 9. Saving Jack and then watching her lead new biotics 10, Bringing Miranda's quest to a conclusion 11. Helping Thane reconnect with his wayward son and watching Thane pass after the prayer. 12. Joker and Edi get all awkward in the club That's just a dozen, but there are way many more...
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 6:18:35 GMT
This is the sort of thing I was talking about You don't have to experience or agree with them for them to be actual problems. I get that the rhetoric kind of got away from you on this one. But remember, how the thread went was that people looked at your thirteen point list and found that seven or nine or so of the points were invalid or trivial. Please be specific. And who are "people." Is that like, "a lot"? Here, I'll start: Some people care about the Character Creator. Some people don't. Some people like it the way it is, some people don't. That's subjective. The Character Creator is very limited, and has a smaller variety of options than ME3 or DA:I did. That's objective. Do you care? Maybe not. That's fine. Doesn't change the statement that it's far more limited than other games have been.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 22, 2017 6:20:24 GMT
Maybe because any time anyone says anything mildly critical of the game, people who like it jump all over 'em while refusing to acknowledge any kind of legitimate complaint? I've praised multiple aspects of ME:A. I've said I liked it, enjoyed it. I also criticized it with specific examples. Instead of actually thinking, "Hey, maybe some people care about this even though I don't mind it/like it" I've been called names, mocked, and insulted. I haven't even played the Witcher, and haven't compared ME:A to anything but other Bioware titles, and once, Skyrim. The only issue I take with you, compared to the well known trolls, is your insistence that what you see as a flaw is objectively so. My only complaints are minor hiccups in gameplay ( far better than many open world titles), some thin romances, music that is good but buried, and a CC that needs a little beefing up. Despite those minor flaws, I find this a well weitten adventure with great characters, awesome exploration, and amazing combat that is easily sitting at a 9/10 and a top ten game already. ME2 is the only ME I hold above it currently.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 22, 2017 6:23:15 GMT
Maybe because any time anyone says anything mildly critical of the game, people who like it jump all over 'em while refusing to acknowledge any kind of legitimate complaint? I've praised multiple aspects of ME:A. I've said I liked it, enjoyed it. I also criticized it with specific examples. Instead of actually thinking, "Hey, maybe some people care about this even though I don't mind it/like it" I've been called names, mocked, and insulted. I haven't even played the Witcher, and haven't compared ME:A to anything but other Bioware titles, and once, Skyrim. The only issue I take with you, compared to the well known trolls, is your insistence that what you see as a flaw is objectively so. My only complaints are minor hiccups in gameplay ( far better than many open world titles), some thin romances, music that is good but buried, and a CC that needs a little beefing up. Despite those minor flaws, I find this a well weitten adventure with great characters, awesome exploration, and amazing combat that is easily sitting at a 9/10 and a top ten game already. ME2 is the only ME I hold above it currently. How about if I use "issue" instead of a flaw? I see it as a flaw, you see it as nothing important. Although there ARE "issues" that are flaws that really can't be disputed, such as bugs, the CC, the same mesh being used for all members of a species, and several more. There ARE fetch quests. A lot of them. Basically, every task, and a goodly number of the "Assignments." Do you mind them? Do you like them? Could be one or the other. Doesn't change that when you open a planet's map for the first time, 2/3 of the navpoints are "Go here and scan/pick up/drop off this thing" type items. For me, I'd give it a 6/10 or 6.5/10. Far below ME2, slightly below ME1, but above ME3. If they patch the game breaking bugs, I'll raise it to a 7.5. If they fix the zombie stare, the continuity issues, and maybe some of the worst of the dialogue, I'll give it an 8. If they replace some of the fetchers with things that at least involve talking to people and maybe solving a problem, then I'll give it a 9 or 9.5.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 22, 2017 6:27:01 GMT
The only issue I take with you, compared to the well known trolls, is your insistence that what you see as a flaw is objectively so. My only complaints are minor hiccups in gameplay ( far better than many open world titles), some thin romances, music that is good but buried, and a CC that needs a little beefing up. Despite those minor flaws, I find this a well weitten adventure with great characters, awesome exploration, and amazing combat that is easily sitting at a 9/10 and a top ten game already. ME2 is the only ME I hold above it currently. How about if I use "issue" instead of a flaw? I see it as a flaw, you see it as nothing important. Although there ARE "issues" that are flaws that really can't be disputed, such as bugs, the CC, the same mesh being used for all members of a species, and several more. For me, I'd give it a 6/10. Far below ME2, slightly below ME1, but above ME3. The same mesh is no issue for me. If it were, it would hit every single game that exists. The bugs are minor annoyances at worst, at least for me, and I made two good looking riders despite a lacking Cc, so it wasn't awful, just decent. Hence my score being much higher. Edit: and I enjoyed the missions. Not even an issue for me, but a positive.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 22, 2017 6:30:42 GMT
The only issue I take with you, compared to the well known trolls, is your insistence that what you see as a flaw is objectively so. My only complaints are minor hiccups in gameplay ( far better than many open world titles), some thin romances, music that is good but buried, and a CC that needs a little beefing up. Despite those minor flaws, I find this a well weitten adventure with great characters, awesome exploration, and amazing combat that is easily sitting at a 9/10 and a top ten game already. ME2 is the only ME I hold above it currently. How about if I use "issue" instead of a flaw? I see it as a flaw, you see it as nothing important. Although there ARE "issues" that are flaws that really can't be disputed, such as bugs, the CC, the same mesh being used for all members of a species, and several more. For me, I'd give it a 6/10. Far below ME2, slightly below ME1, but above ME3. At release, it's a 0. I lost two saves due to missing ground textures on the PS4. After patch 1.05, I revisited the game and plowed straight through to the end. Underwhelming and I'm not even interested in visiting the planets I missed. It just didn't click with me. 5/10. The best 3rd person shooter I played, but I don't put much stock into that. Quality writing, voice acting and music is what buries into my soul. If it ain't there, it's not there. I don't knock the people that love the game, but f*** the snowflakes that can't take criticism.
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