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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 20, 2017 3:21:08 GMT
Because as long as she's around, his romance and character arc seem to revolve around her. It's annoying, and she's annoying, too, so I'd like her to just go. I'm sorry, since it seems you like her a great deal. However, I don't share this sentiment. You sound jealous tbh. Interesting how you jump to such personal accusations just because I don't like your fave. I can, y'know, just not like a character and how that character is portrayed.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 20, 2017 3:28:45 GMT
I want my Addison romance first. Not opposed to that either. Well then, in exchange for your support for an Addison romance, I announce my support of the option to bump nasties with Jill to conceive her child the old fashioned way.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 20, 2017 3:29:36 GMT
Interesting how you jump to such personal accusations just because I don't like your fave. I can, y'know, just not like a character and how that character is portrayed. I'm just saying people getting rid of their lovers friends tend be jealous and controlling is all. Jills not my fave I just really, really like her over Vetra.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 20, 2017 3:30:22 GMT
Only babies I want are blue ones 600 years ago Back in the Milky Way. Lots of em.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 20, 2017 3:32:45 GMT
Interesting how you jump to such personal accusations just because I don't like your fave. I can, y'know, just not like a character and how that character is portrayed. I'm just saying people getting rid of their lovers friends tend be jealous and controlling is all. Jills not my fave I just really, really like her over Vetra. Gil's not my "lover." I just don't like Jill.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 20, 2017 3:35:11 GMT
You must have really awful friends. I'm sorry. ): You sound talented, you should try out to be a professional bore. I'll have you know I have been boring for years already.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 20, 2017 3:36:58 GMT
You sound talented, you should try out to be a professional bore. I'll have you know I have been boring for years already. If you're good at something, never do it for free.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 20, 2017 3:52:32 GMT
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Post by sageoflife on Apr 20, 2017 4:47:09 GMT
Interesting how you jump to such personal accusations just because I don't like your fave. I can, y'know, just not like a character and how that character is portrayed. I'm just saying people getting rid of their lovers friends tend be jealous and controlling is all. Jills not my fave I just really, really like her over Vetra. I have no problem with my boyfriend having friends aside from me, but when one of his friendships looks really toxic, I'm going to want to protect him from that.
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Post by davkar on Apr 20, 2017 7:33:57 GMT
If she gets the long/messy CC hair sure, why not. She seemed like a fun character, I could always use more fun characters. Although the next time we see her she (depending on the dlc/sequel time gap) would be x months pregnant/fresh mom. While according to the internet some people would be into that, I'm not sure BW could tackle that particular kind of kink - or even should. On a serious note, I liked Jill. I don't get why people hate her. They have a deep friendship with Gil, in fact they were already a family when they came to andromeda. Now they (can) have a baby. What's wrong with that? She didn't approach him like "you are gay and disgusting, but the gene bank is a lottery so pants down and give me your seed!". They didn't conceive the child the regular way, he can still chase men after that. I can picture Gil writing 'Gil-latte' on the sampling cup or saying "Bottoms up!". The child isn't the product of romantic love but s/he is still the result of love. Besides it's good for Gil's character. He started out as a carefree, no-plans guy with no clear goals for coming to andromeda. Now he has something, a someone to look forward to.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 20, 2017 13:48:12 GMT
^I would actually like to know people's beef with the above as well. I've tried looking it up and I can't find much basis for it, outside a small group here.
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Post by sageoflife on Apr 20, 2017 21:16:36 GMT
Unless you're a gay/bi man yourself, it can be hard to understand the baggage that comes with things like telling a gay man that he's "not fulfilling his duty as a man" by not having children, even as a joke.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 20, 2017 21:32:42 GMT
I'm not saying you have terrible taste but... you have terrible taste. Dont lecture me about taste in that shirt, with that haircut. *Sips Ryncol* This makes no sense, why would someone lecture you about tasting in a tshirt? Sure make Jill Valentine a romance option, I am totally ok with that.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 20, 2017 21:49:39 GMT
I like Jill. The minute they introduced the character I had hoped that the game would give you the choice to be the father.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 20, 2017 23:30:33 GMT
Unless you're a gay/bi man yourself, it can be hard to understand the baggage that comes with things like telling a gay man that he's "not fulfilling his duty as a man" by not having children, even as a joke. So in other words you're triggered. Gil is a man's man and a worker, he drinks beer and plays poker and gets into slanging matches with Jill, if you can't handle that then he's just too much man for you. Jill is Andromedas, Andromeda and I, her Perseus. To Hades with you if you don't like it. *Sips Ryncol*
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Post by sageoflife on Apr 20, 2017 23:53:48 GMT
Unless you're a gay/bi man yourself, it can be hard to understand the baggage that comes with things like telling a gay man that he's "not fulfilling his duty as a man" by not having children, even as a joke. So in other words you're triggered. Gil is a man's man and a worker, he drinks beer and plays poker and gets into slanging matches with Jill, if you can't handle that then he's just too much man for you. Jill is Andromedas, Andromeda and I, her Perseus. To Hades with you if you don't like it. *Sips Ryncol* So, in other words, you're trolling.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 21, 2017 0:02:44 GMT
So in other words you're triggered. Gil is a man's man and a worker, he drinks beer and plays poker and gets into slanging matches with Jill, if you can't handle that then he's just too much man for you. Jill is Andromedas, Andromeda and I, her Perseus. To Hades with you if you don't like it. *Sips Ryncol* So, in other words, you're trolling. I was originally just fooling around. But now you've all showed up being mad. I feel I have no choice but to run with it. The Jill hate is bad for your soul. *Sips straw*
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 21, 2017 0:11:20 GMT
But isn't that redundant?
I mean if you're already romancing Gil, Jill is a package deal anyway. Can't have one without the other.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 21, 2017 0:22:26 GMT
I can't even say I want her to die because then Gil's story will be even more about her, in this case mourning for her. I just want her to stop being such a big part of Gil's storyline. If he returns in the next game, I hope she's mysteriously gone and never mentioned again. She's here, he's queer, get used to it.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 21, 2017 0:24:20 GMT
I can't even say I want her to die because then Gil's story will be even more about her, in this case mourning for her. I just want her to stop being such a big part of Gil's storyline. If he returns in the next game, I hope she's mysteriously gone and never mentioned again. She's here, he's queer, get used to it. Nah. I don't like her. I hope she leaves.
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Post by London on Apr 21, 2017 1:36:56 GMT
Yes so you can two-time Gil with Jill. =D
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Post by Elsariel on Apr 21, 2017 3:07:35 GMT
If she gets the long/messy CC hair sure, why not. She seemed like a fun character, I could always use more fun characters. Although the next time we see her she (depending on the dlc/sequel time gap) would be x months pregnant/fresh mom. While according to the internet some people would be into that, I'm not sure BW could tackle that particular kind of kink - or even should. On a serious note, I liked Jill. I don't get why people hate her. They have a deep friendship with Gil, in fact they were already a family when they came to andromeda. Now they (can) have a baby. What's wrong with that? She didn't approach him like "you are gay and disgusting, but the gene bank is a lottery so pants down and give me your seed!". They didn't conceive the child the regular way, he can still chase men after that. I can picture Gil writing 'Gil-latte' on the sampling cup or saying "Bottoms up!". The child isn't the product of romantic love but s/he is still the result of love. Besides it's good for Gil's character. He started out as a carefree, no-plans guy with no clear goals for coming to andromeda. Now he has something, a someone to look forward to. Yeah, this is kinda what I thought at first too. Still think this a little bit, actually. My opinion of the Gil/Jill situation has changed slightly in that I can see why that whole arc could be extremely annoying for a gay male player. I don't subscribe to the whole "Jill is toxic and evil and homophobic" narrative, though. I just don't think the relationship was intended to be toxic or unhealthy, to be honest. However, if I squint, I can see how it might be taken that way. I just think the writing could have been a bit a bit more clear in regards to Jill and Gil's friendship.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 21, 2017 3:24:11 GMT
My gripe with the Jill/Gill subplot is how it bored me to tears and how I cared not in the slightest for it. I was glad when it was over.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on Apr 21, 2017 3:27:03 GMT
But isn't that redundant? I mean if you're already romancing Gil, Jill is a package deal anyway. Can't have one without the other. Which is the problem. Gil is not allowed to be an autonomous character separate from Jill, a character who is ultimately just a minute or two's worth of cameo, while he's the crew member and romance. Almost every conversation he has involves her in some way, to the point that we barely have any concept of Gil as his own person. And, bluntly put, if a guy is romancing Gil, surprisingly (</sarcasm>) it's not because we're secretly in to Jill. Like I said in the Gil thread recently, there are a lot of red flags in the relationship that leave me feeling it's toxic. I doubt they're the intent, but speaking as a gay man, they are the kind of things that would immediately cause me to question effectively what the relationship has done for Gil lately, because it seems really off. Like, it was described elsewhere as the kind of friendship where she's the least homophobic person around, so she became his best friend by default. And there's a LOT of homophobic baggage with the gay guy and only the gay guy being pressured to have a kid, with the specific phrasing of 'making [Jill's] job harder' being used by Gil as a quote from her. Like... it's not uncommon to hear questioning of how much a man a gay person is because they're not 'doing their duty as a man' by having children. Hell, I remember this being a "reason" cited for there to not be any gay people in this game, that apparently because gay people aren't breeding, they have no worth to the society. This is not an uncommon attitude to face IRL. So for it to be coming from a gay person's supposed best friend... It raises red flags. I'm sure it wasn't the intent, but something can be intended to be not-homophobic and still end up being homophobic.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 21, 2017 4:03:07 GMT
But isn't that redundant? I mean if you're already romancing Gil, Jill is a package deal anyway. Can't have one without the other. Which is the problem. Gil is not allowed to be an autonomous character separate from Jill, a character who is ultimately just a minute or two's worth of cameo, while he's the crew member and romance. Almost every conversation he has involves her in some way, to the point that we barely have any concept of Gil as his own person. And, bluntly put, if a guy is romancing Gil, surprisingly (</sarcasm>) it's not because we're secretly in to Jill. Like I said in the Gil thread recently, there are a lot of red flags in the relationship that leave me feeling it's toxic. I doubt they're the intent, but speaking as a gay man, they are the kind of things that would immediately cause me to question effectively what the relationship has done for Gil lately, because it seems really off. Like, it was described elsewhere as the kind of friendship where she's the least homophobic person around, so she became his best friend by default. And there's a LOT of homophobic baggage with the gay guy and only the gay guy being pressured to have a kid, with the specific phrasing of 'making [Jill's] job harder' being used by Gil as a quote from her. Like... it's not uncommon to hear questioning of how much a man a gay person is because they're not 'doing their duty as a man' by having children. Hell, I remember this being a "reason" cited for there to not be any gay people in this game, that apparently because gay people aren't breeding, they have no worth to the society. This is not an uncommon attitude to face IRL. So for it to be coming from a gay person's supposed best friend... It raises red flags. I'm sure it wasn't the intent, but something can be intended to be not-homophobic and still end up being homophobic. Gill is a mans man he's practical not emotional. Hes not sitting around crying about the way Jill treats him, he likes her. You seem upset because, hes not upset. I don't buy this argument and all I see are jealous and controlling personalities trying to control his interactions. Gill and Jill is the same as Vetra and her sister. Drack and Kesh. Drack and PeeBee. Scott and Sara. Kirkland and whats his face. So I call bullshit.
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