Make Jill a romance option.

Too many new post and I'm lazy to multiquote.

So the big trigger is the "duty as a man". Lol guys, it was a friendly tease... They have been best friends for a while, one of the points of a friendship is that remarks like this don't come off as offensive. If this is such a big issue then it can be applied as an offense to literally every other MW person who came to andromeda. Might as well thaw out a divorce lawyer and sic them on the krogan husband on eladeen who wants to keep trying.

Jill was just making a suggestion. She's not demanding anything, nor forcing him to do it, simply suggests it. Ryder/player can make the choice whether this child exist or not. After all the Jill hate I skimmed through the Gil romance and correct me if I read it wrong but in that case the 'father' can be a Gil-Ryder cocktail (ha! unintentional pun!). The normal (/biology) human and PB romance are the only other ones where the chance is there for an offspring (potential future game PC). The gay romance got the biggest boost in the game. It's the first time in the series where you can have a kid with your LI.

If most of gay men are telling you that Jill as character and her storyline with Gil is a homophobic insult to real gay men you should actually hear those real people instead of making your own asumptions about what's good or not for gay men, because you're not gay men. Pretty simple.

*Returning to my cave again   *

Hey, babe. 

I just want you to know how hard it is out here and how hard we're all working to get things done and I want you to know that this old Krogan will always have your back. 

I got the picture you sent me from Podromos and I keep it close by. It really helps when you come back from a hard fight to know you're down there making things work for people. 

After the uprising I didn't think we had much of a chance out here. But you've changed that for me and not just me but for everyone out here and in cryo. 

They have a future because of you, I just wanted to say thanks. 

Truly yours.,  Zip. 

I'm gay and didn't see Jill as a homophobic insult to gay men everywhere. Get a grip people - I know there is a love of deconstructing the 10 minutes of content Gil has in the game and viewing everything as a purposeful slight, but I think it goes a bit far on these boards.

As much as I dislike Gil as a character, and his arch more specifically, this is more due to bad writing and timing than the storyline itself. If there was more Gil content and baby talks BEGAN post-game, and not 5 minutes into the romance, this would probably be far better received.

Many gay men have close female friends and may have discussed issues of surrogacy on their own terms, and I know actual gay people for whom choosing a surrogate and wanting that person to be close to them is a big deal.

I think people are mis-reading the lack of neutral Gil content compared to Jill content as homophobia which is bullshit. It's to me simply rushed storylines and being first-to-market in a video game for what is presently a hot issue now that gay marriage has already been done. I guess gay adoption has as well in Skyrim, if you count children appearing in your house - though there are no conversations or real storyline behind it.

Straight people who opt not to have children aren't subjected to their legal rights being restricted, attempts to "change" them that amount to psychological and occasionally physical torture, or in some cases full-blown extermination attempts. All these things and more have been done to gay men with the justification that we're not contributing to population growth. A straight person who just doesn't want to have kids doesn't have this baggage.

The fact is, that if you don't have this kind of baggage yourself, it's rather shitty to look down your nose at us and claim that we're just being oversensitive even when you really don't have any baseline for comparison.

You are uninteresting.

And the thread doesn't care.

Start your own if its impirtant to you this one is about Jill being uber sexy.

Didn't read because....

Not really, there is Alistair.

Also it is unfair to compare the two. Morrigan is a companion, you know her and her motivations and there is actually three choices to resolve the situation. It feels more like a friend offering a way out of a shitty ending than "YOU NEED TO HAVE BABIES TO ROMANCE THIS CHARACTER THE RIGHT WAY", the problem is Jill being connect to the romantic arc in a way that seems that Gil loses agency.

I don't think that the "duty as a man" comment is the only problem but it's certainly part of it. For me, the big problem is just that the whole baby part of Gil's arc is nonsensical and terribly written and as Jill is so closely linked to that (and does say that terrible line), she's pretty much become synonymous with it for me.

I mean, look, Gil doesn't even really want kids. Up until the very end he's not even sure if he's ready to be a dad and when he does decide to have a kid it feels very forced and I never got the sense that he was fit to be a parent yet which, you just really shouldn't have kids if you don't feel ready for them. And why does he decide to have a kid anyway? Because of Jill, the reproduction expert who really should know better than to pressure people who're clearly not ready (let alone her best friend) into parenthood. Then there's the issue of the whole thing just not making a whole lot of sense in the context of the story. They haven't even woken up everyone from the pods yet, they keep talking about resource shortages, there's a whole side mission that makes it very clear that people aren't supposed to be having babies yet but Jill, the reproduction expert who really should know better than to bring children into a world that can't sustain them, apparently didn't get the memo? TBH, I don't even get why she isn't still in a pod herself. It feels like the reproduction people would be among the last to be taken out of cryo seeing as they're more or less useless until the Initiative can feed and house everyone they brought with them.

The last issue I have with it isn't directly linked to Jill but it does have to do with the baby stuff so it is indirectly linked. I don't think we know the exact timeline over which the events of Andromeda take place but I can't imagine it's more than a few months which means, if you agree to raise the kid with him, Gil and Scott have only been together for a few months before they decide to have a kid with each other which is just an incredible display of idiocy on their part (and on the writers' part).

In conclusion, almost everything about this baby story feels off and weird. It seems like the kind of story they should've saved for the second game (and they definitely should've put more effort into writing it) and Jill is unfortunately-written at best and an utter idiot at worst.

You do understand that it was a tongue-in-cheek response, yes?  I don't especially care for her but I don't hate her.  Actually defended her in the Gil thread at one point.  Hell, a romance might be just what Jill needs in order to for her stop trying to force gay dudes to have babies with her.

All.

It's what I always did, threw Alistair at her.