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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 29, 2017 11:14:41 GMT
And the bit they stole about switching siblings in MEA (vs Ciri swaps in W3), well it worked in W3 because the story pulled you in. I don't get the whole "stolen" thing, and considering the reason why we switched in the first place, I doubt the Ciri swap in TW3 was even real inspiration there. This is technically not the first time we've switched characters in a BioWare game, just the only time when it was absolutely mandatory. Both times, it was to rescue your PC.
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Post by Reorte on Apr 29, 2017 11:32:22 GMT
And the bit they stole about switching siblings in MEA (vs Ciri swaps in W3), well it worked in W3 because the story pulled you in. I don't get the whole "stolen" thing, and considering the reason why we switched in the first place, I doubt the Ciri swap in TW3 was even real inspiration there. This is technically not the first time we've switched characters in a BioWare game, just the only time when it was absolutely mandatory. Both times, it was to rescue your PC. Joker in ME2 was mandatory.
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Post by bizantura on Apr 29, 2017 11:36:52 GMT
I don't know if it's really anything about The Witcher itself that puts people off so much as it's the fact that multiple threads will crop up in a rather short period of time to say the same things repeatedly. Maybe some respond to the cultural thing, but most of the time I just see "Ugh, another Witcher thread?" I mean, there's only so many things one can truly compare lol. Not sure why someone would want to live in the Witcher verse though. As an NPC I like having some medical science on my side. In the TWverse, if I was lucky to escape one of the various horrifying nightmares living around the landscape, I might just get an arrow in the face by a shitty bandit or something. At least in the MEU I can live on a space station and actually take a shower rather than some rundown hovel in Wherevergrad or something. Given The Witcher's reputation as one of the best games in recent times, it's inevitable that other games will be compared to it over and over again. But I agree, The Witcher universe sucks if you live in it. Great to play a game in though. Don't want to live in either but between the worlds created by CDPR/Bioware I take Witchers over Bioware any day.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 11:39:31 GMT
What about briefly playing as Joker when the collectors attacked?
I don't understand how switching to a different character is anything noteworthy. Plenty of games did it in the past. Hell, you can walk around and fight as any of the companions in Dragon Age...
EDIT: Ah, got beaten to it!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 29, 2017 11:58:56 GMT
Can you people please just let me enjoy my shitty game in peace? Hah, I enjoy my game in peace just fine. Arguing about it with randos on the internet is yet another videogame I enjoy. Ain't nobody gonna bring me down. And if what somebody wants is to enjoy their game in total peace and no detractors making them feel biased negatively or positively, the choice would be to don't go to internet boards Most of my friends are like that. They pick up the games they want to play based on what they think appeals to them. Play them, talk a bit about good or bad, then move on. I agree with Kasier. This here is a whole game in itself; talking about games in detail and critiquing them, hyping them or gushing like fanboys. It's what we do.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 12:00:08 GMT
The witcher world is the last place I'd want to live in... Thedas is the second most horrible place. Deduction: the elves ruin everything.
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Post by kumazan on Apr 29, 2017 12:08:28 GMT
Given The Witcher's reputation as one of the best games in recent times, it's inevitable that other games will be compared to it over and over again. But I agree, The Witcher universe sucks if you live in it. Great to play a game in though. Don't want to live in either but between the worlds created by CDPR/Bioware I take Witchers over Bioware any day. To be fair, CDPR didn't create no world, Andrzej Sapkowski did.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 29, 2017 12:14:12 GMT
Don't want to live in either but between the worlds created by CDPR/Bioware I take Witchers over Bioware any day. To be fair, CDPR didn't create no world, Andrzej Sapkowski did. Yep, but they're creating Cyberpunk 2077 so we'll have to see what they do by themselves. Considering Sebastien Stepien (lead writer Witcher 2) is their narrative and setting director and I think he's pretty L'Etoile calibre we're in for a treat. I read about their philosophies regarding the game yesterday and I think it's going to be the type of new IP that goes into the deep end of exploring the implications they create. He said they had to create 50 years of fictional history from the 2020 era to the 2070s, so that already sounds pretty ME1-y. World building is fucking joke in Andromeda by the way. The angaran war has almost no detail.
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Post by kumazan on Apr 29, 2017 12:28:31 GMT
To be fair, CDPR didn't create no world, Andrzej Sapkowski did. Yep, but they're creating Cyberpunk 2077 so we'll have to see what they do by themselves. Considering Sebastien Stepien (lead writer Witcher 2) is their narrative and setting director and I think he's pretty L'Etoile calibre we're in for a treat. I read about their philosophies regarding the game yesterday and I think it's going to be the type of new IP that goes into the deep end of exploring the implications they create. He said they had to create 50 years of fictional history from the 2020 era to the 2070s, so that already sounds pretty ME1-y. World building is fucking joke in Andromeda by the way. The angaran war has almost no detail. Oh, I absolutely trust CDPR to come up with something great for CP2077. TW3 is my all time favourite, the best gaming experience I've had, and right now if CDPR released a Bang-your-head-on-the-wall Simulator I'd preorder the fuck out of it, that's how sure I am of their work. I just wanted to point out that the world building wasn't their own, even if they did a magnificient job in recreating Sapkowski's work. Also I disagree about Andromeda's world building, but that's an entirely different topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 12:29:12 GMT
Someone wouldn't want to live in Toussaint, the land of love and wine? And the royal booty? You're all crazy.
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 29, 2017 12:38:40 GMT
Works for me, especially as a big Mass Effect fan and one who's now very interested in playing TW3. But honestly I don't have time to read and watch all these videos. I'd much rather dedicate more time to reading what this forum has to say on the matter. You haven't played the Witcher 3 yet!??? What the hell are you doing? Go out and buy the that game now! Seriously though get the edition that comes with the expansions. The Blood and Wine expansion is much more "colorful" but in an incredible way. It's also about 40 hours long set in its own open world. Also keep in mind the game starts out really slow but it's pretty engaging. TW3 is not the end-all-be-all to everything gaming. I haven't even finished it...meanwhile, I'm on my third playthrough of Andromeda. Geralt bores the shit out of me, I'm tired of medieval themed rpg's, and everything's so damn dark and gloomy all the time. I'll try to get back and beat it at some point...but after three tries, I don't know if it will ever happen. TW3 is good, but by no means is it the messiah of gaming that people make it out to be.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 29, 2017 12:49:30 GMT
I don't get the whole "stolen" thing, and considering the reason why we switched in the first place, I doubt the Ciri swap in TW3 was even real inspiration there. This is technically not the first time we've switched characters in a BioWare game, just the only time when it was absolutely mandatory. Both times, it was to rescue your PC. Joker in ME2 was mandatory. I totally forgot about him. And there's another.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 12:58:48 GMT
Someone wouldn't want to live in Toussaint, the land of love and wine? And the royal booty? You're all crazy. But the duchess has a temper, beware! Piss her off and your head rolls. Dandelion would probably tell you it was worth it anyway, though.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 29, 2017 13:15:19 GMT
Juhani, Jolee, or Mission in KotOR on the Leviathan. And it's not Bioware, but there is a segment in KotOR II where you have to play as either, Bao Dur, Atton, Visas, Handmaiden, or Disciple. In Dragon Origins your companions can stage a rescue when you get captured and taken to Fort Drakon. Whoever you chose, you play for a short time if I remember right. In DA2 we played as Varric for a small section, until Cassandra calls BS on the situation. Joker in ME2 as was mentioned before. So yeah, not something new to Bioware or Obsidian for that matter.. I'm almost tempted to say The Witcher 3 did the stealing there.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 29, 2017 13:20:03 GMT
Juhani, Jolee, or Mission in KotOR. And it's not Bioware, but there is a segment in KotOR II where you have to play as either, Bao Dur, Atton, Visas, Handmaiden, or Disciple. So no it's not something new. KOTOR 2 is not Bioware's game, but besides that you're correct Not really a new theme in games.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 29, 2017 13:37:45 GMT
Juhani, Jolee, or Mission in KotOR. And it's not Bioware, but there is a segment in KotOR II where you have to play as either, Bao Dur, Atton, Visas, Handmaiden, or Disciple. So no it's not something new. KOTOR 2 is not Bioware's game, but besides that you're correct Not really a new theme in games. Pretty sure I said that, right there in the bold. lol And I edited my post to add more examples of this in Bioware games.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 29, 2017 13:48:36 GMT
Exaltation to me just felt like a weak copy of STTNG's Borg assimilation process mixed with Collector mumbo jumbo. It felt incredibly lazy, and didn't do anything for me other than make me cringe that they were going this route... Here's how to do it well: How is that video better? It's so cringeworthy on its own. No offense. The dorkiness and stiff/poor acting is real. I agree that the writers played it way too safe, but I enjoyed that we actually got a menacing alien race touching more on biology and religion rather than machines that kill. Then it should fit MEA perfectly. As for the Salarians vs Krogan Scouts choice. I really didn't care much about them so it was easy to stay pragmatic. Reaka was more important. If I was supposed to feel something, then Bioware failed big time. Drack never tells me anything about these scouts and if he did, I must have forgotten about it which means these scouts never made an impact on me. This is most likely due to Bioware's "tell don't show" method of storytelling. I clocked in 97 hours in MEA, most of it is checking off a checklist of chores. Bioware is gonna have to come at me with more than an early mention of these scouts. I have character exposition dumping me throughout much of my play through so Drack just got lost in the noise. He also forgives Ryder fairly quickly for leaving the scouts and we're off to a bar fight together so yeah, those scouts must not have been all that important. And I'd love to live in Toussaint! But as a wealthy artistic mage. lol! I was just walking around Beauclaire and that place just puts MEA's constructs to shame. If I were to be honest. When I compare the colonies to the houses you see in TW3, I think that aside from medical science, the peasants in TW3 live better. At least they have homes. The colonist in MEA don't even have that. Just a few scattered labs. Cyberpunk was a RPG created by Mike Pondsmith back in the 80's. So CDPR isn't creating the world on their own. Unlike the author of the Witcher series, Mike is working with CDPR on Cyperpunk 2077.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 13:51:35 GMT
Unfortunately, it costs $500+ to try HZD. Unlike, say, BioWARE, Sony does not put efforts towards multi-platforming. Exclusives are a business decision. HZD is a system seller. Got lots of people to upgrade to a Pro. Just like how Zelda and Pokemon push Nintendo hardware. If they went multi-platform they'd be out of business. I spent zero money on playing Horizon, borrowed console and game from a friend. Perhaps you have friends with a PS4 too? Lol, where I am in life, "friends" are people at work you chat with about gardening and kids's schools, not buddies I can borrow a PS4 from. As far as I have checked, short-term renting of consoles is not available locally. I think that exclusive releases to sell consoles is a dirty business practice. Providing how very few games are released each year in each genre, I think it's scandalous that the industry is not legislated to diversify their releases. Imagine if you could not go to the movies, and your only option to see the latest hit movie was if you bought a blue-ray player of a particular make from a specific manufacturer. There'd be riots.... But the gamers? We just eat it.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 29, 2017 14:24:38 GMT
"You get a sense of just how dire the situation is for civilians caught up in battle, ravaged by looters and bandits, or left baffled at what to do once The Wild Hunt leaves the village in ruins. When locked into a conversation, facial expressions, the tone of voice, the writing, it all creates a gloomy atmosphere that completes the experience. It feels real. The same can't be said for Andromeda." www.google.com/amp/amp.windowscentral.com/playing-witcher-3-again-makes-me-more-upset-about-mass-effectCurious what people that also dislike Andromeda think could be game changer for the game in a patch - for me, if they somehow took a sledgehammer to the script and gave it more mature writing, I'd revisit the game And look past its other issues. Conversely, if this game had amazing graphics like Dice's games - I'd probably also revisit the game and try to overlook the script just to experience the visuals. - The like/love thread is around here somewhere if you feel triggered to jump into this thread just to bitch and moan. No. Mass Effect and Dragon Age are not The Witcher, yes they can take up some inspiration but they should never go for that level of shit pit world or "mature writing". One of the thing I love about DA is that the tone can be more light-silly in a colorful world but still has that edge of conflict and dept. Like the Mage Origin for example. One little mouse turn out to be more... The problem is that ME:A is a recicle story of the new youngster-that-fall-into-a-awesome-job-and-never-failed-or-struggle-a-lot so in a way, I cannot relate with Ryder when there are more competent people there. Sure they still could be connect to SAM but that does not mean they should be barking orders without some huge set backs. Also Ryder battle hordes of enemies with a team that looks always like the same with a enemy that they know nothing about. At least DA avoids this with a diverse cast and different feels. Solas, Loghain, Meredith, Arishok were good villains because they were presented as people too and not some arrogant bastard with the needs of a child. ME:A wanted to appeal to the SJW crow(me) but at the same time retain the bro feel and that is not possible, so now he get a B grade action game without dept.
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 29, 2017 14:40:39 GMT
LOL. There is no comparison between W3 and MEA. I know MEA clearly took inspiration from W3, but W3 feels almost like a masterpiece compared to MEA which feels like of like a bad comedy. I just remember being utterly blown away by the baron. All those quest connected to him, my god. And Kara was it? The island you go to for her with the whole story. So amazing. Not one thing in MEA hit me like those. I'm gonna have to replay W3 now that I think of it. And the bit they stole about switching siblings in MEA (vs Ciri swaps in W3), well it worked in W3 because the story pulled you in. You learned what was happening to her and you cared. Here, you don't really give two shits about your sibling because they don't write is so you might. In W3, Ciri was everything to Geralt. It opens with her. It cuts to her repeatedly. Yen and Geralt have one mission. Find Ciri. And not because someone asked them too but because she is like their daughter. Here, we have a sibling that is so disconnected from us and only dragged out for the final fight minus a few brief stops at the cryo bay. If you want me to feel invested in another character, you have to make the effort to help me care about them. Just because I am told they are my sibling doesn't mean I will automatically care. W3 really didn't even tell me clearly what the relationship was between Ciri and Yen/Geralt. I surmised it because it was that well written. Have you played Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine? They are arguably better than the main story.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 29, 2017 15:12:11 GMT
Juhani, Jolee, or Mission in KotOR on the Leviathan. You can also do it as Canderous, T3, or HK-47 YOu also play as Dawn Star or Silk Fox and as The Black Whirlwind in parts of a larger battle in Jade Empire
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 15:26:18 GMT
Exclusives are a business decision. HZD is a system seller. Got lots of people to upgrade to a Pro. Just like how Zelda and Pokemon push Nintendo hardware. If they went multi-platform they'd be out of business. I spent zero money on playing Horizon, borrowed console and game from a friend. Perhaps you have friends with a PS4 too? Lol, where I am in life, "friends" are people at work you chat with about gardening and kids's schools, not buddies I can borrow a PS4 from. As far as I have checked, short-term renting of consoles is not available locally. I think that exclusive releases to sell consoles is a dirty business practice. Providing how very few games are released each year in each genre, I think it's scandalous that the industry is not legislated to diversify their releases. Imagine if you could not go to the movies, and your only option to see the latest hit movie was if you bought a blue-ray player of a particular make from a specific manufacturer. There'd be riots.... But the gamers? We just eat it. I don't like exclusives either as a consumer but I understand that this is how they all stay in business. I have less of an issue with it than with selling stripped down content at full price and then charging the same amount for a season pass that finally gives you the entire experience. Or how they try to eliminate the used game market. Or how insidious online multiplayer games are, getting people addicted and the whole micro transactions scheme. But nobody has to go along with this stuff. It sucks missing out on good games because of exclusives. I never got to play any of the cool PS3 games. The console cost twice as much as an Xbox at the time, so I did the reasonable thing. I could probably get the console dirt cheap now or borrow it from a friend the same way I did with HZD. It's preordering and shelling out big bucks to play something NOW that let's the industry get away with too much. I looked at MEA footage and decided against paying full price for such an unpolished game. I have no intention of rewarding EA/Bioware for something that falls so below my expectations. I will wait for patches and probably buy it used. It always pays off to wait. Even when a game is really good. I played W3 months after release and by that time all the quest bugs were fixed. I could have gotten W3 for free but wanted CDPR to have my money because they did an amazing job. Voting with your wallet may change nothing if few people do it but at least one does not get cheated out of money. What one considers money well spent is subjective of course. I hope you'll get to play HZD eventually since it's a really good game imo.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Apr 29, 2017 15:35:45 GMT
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Post by zeypher on Apr 29, 2017 15:42:34 GMT
I want to play HZD as well but sadly no PS4. hopefully down the line it gets a PC release as well.
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Post by duckley on Apr 29, 2017 15:44:10 GMT
Sorry - I just don't get it. ME:A is a fun game. Is it a masterpiece like TW3 - no. Is it a ground breaking game ushering us into a new level of gaming magic - no. So I am not sure why it is being compared to one. Yeah - we all know TW3 is a tighter, better written game with superior animations.... (and I love the game!) Having said that ME:A is a solidly good game and I am totally having a blast playing it. I have not come across one glitch yet and I have played 3/4 of the game. I like the story - find it interesting and find that it lays the foundations for more interesting stories to come. I don't get all the hate... I really don't. For me the game is totally on par with Horizon Dawn which I also found to be a solid and fun game to play. The only significant criticism I have of ME:A have is the weird facial and body animations. They are really bad and cant for the life of me figure out what the problem could be because DA:I was fine in that regard. The pother criticism is that the text is way too small for me. I love to read the reviews of this game pro and con - but the comparisons to TW3 annoy me
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