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Post by zeypher on Apr 29, 2017 15:44:13 GMT
Personally I think the Witcher games suck and are basically masturbatory aides for fantasy nerds TY for proving to us that you are a blithering idiot worthy of being ignored.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 29, 2017 16:01:04 GMT
...My issues are purely with MEA. I'm not necessarily against the game having a lighter tone, especially after how creamed BW was for their ME3 ending. The problem comes in when you try to have that "spring break road trip" atmosphere in a story where your entire colonization plans are falling apart and the lives of 100,000 people are dangling on your every decision while an alien race is trying to go genetic Borg on you. The two just don't mesh. Either change the tone to match the narrative or change the story to match the tone. Not everyone handles stress and adversity the same way. Maybe you'd be super serious in the situation, but many people use humor to cope. Think of the show MASH...they weren't making light of their situation, they were coping the way they knew how to cope. Han Solo is another example of a person who uses humor to cope. Tony Stark, Deadpool, the crew of Serenity (Firefly series)...there are countless other examples. Point being: There's no rulebook that says a person must act a certain way in a certain situation. Shepard was super serious, bland, and boring; Ryder tries to ease the tension with humor. Neither is the right or wrong way...they're just different. There's a reason for the phrase " I laugh to keep from crying". I remember former Daily Show host Jon Stewart once saying in documentary about humor "I guarantee you that there were Jews in the worst of the Nazi Concentration Camps during the Holocaust making jokes." Humor is a way of keeping one's sanity in the darkest times.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 29, 2017 16:02:28 GMT
I don't know if you can really compare the Witcher to ME, to totally different games, trying to do different things.
One thing I will say that I really respect about CDPR is their attention to detail in their worlds. The day/night cycles, there would be times where I just found a good spot and watched the sunset because you become so immersed in the world. You go out into the forest at night and you hear all the animals moving about, wolves howling, monsters roaring in the distance, and you're walking around waiting to see if something is going to jump out.
I remember in the Witcher 2 when the sun was going down a knight lit a torch and walked around the city lighting all the torches one by one. They just take a lot of care in the creation of their world. The level design, especially in cities is better is leaps ahead of Bioware.
The one thing Bioware had over Witcher games was story, companions, and animations. The NPCs in Witcher games, and even Geralt sometimes had stiff, animations and stale delivery of lines. They corrected this on a large scale in the Witcher 3, and that combined with the open world, which was already their strong point they made a game that's somewhat become a standard to which other games will be measured.
In ME:A, Bioware IMHO regressed in the places that used to be their strong suit. The writing, dialogue, story, and voice acting was not stellar to say the least in ME:A. It's bad when the best voiced character in the game wasn't a character meant to be part of the main cast (Alec Ryder).
The impact of choices has also been reigned in ME:A. In the Witcher 3, you can do sidequests that lead to a choice a whether to kill/let survive a character. That character then is around to save another character in a major story moment, and then after being saved to character goes on to find love and happiness at the end of the game. This all from a choice in an optional side quest.
They just did an outstanding job on the game, on all levels, and this isn't even counting the expansions.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 29, 2017 16:09:46 GMT
Not everyone handles stress and adversity the same way. Maybe you'd be super serious in the situation, but many people use humor to cope. Think of the show MASH...they weren't making light of their situation, they were coping the way they knew how to cope. Han Solo is another example of a person who uses humor to cope. Tony Stark, Deadpool, the crew of Serenity (Firefly series)...there are countless other examples. Point being: There's no rulebook that says a person must act a certain way in a certain situation. Shepard was super serious, bland, and boring; Ryder tries to ease the tension with humor. Neither is the right or wrong way...they're just different. There's a reason for the phrase " I laugh to keep from crying". I remember former Daily Show host Jon Stewart once saying in documentary about humor "I guarantee you that there were Jews in the worst of the Nazi Concentration Camps during the Holocaust making jokes." Humor is a way of keeping one's sanity in the darkest times. The attempt at humour shouldn't be constant though... And it should actually be funny. It's mostly cringeworthy. "My dad is dead..." - smirks at the thought.
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The impact of choices has also been reigned in ME:A. In the Witcher 3, you can do sidequests that lead to a choice a whether to kill/let survive a character. That character then is around to save another character in a major story moment, and then after being saved to character goes on to find love and happiness at the end of the game. This all from a choice in an optional side quest. Sort of like in MEA then, huh.
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Personally I think the Witcher games suck and are basically masturbatory aides for fantasy nerds
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Personally I think the Witcher games suck and are basically masturbatory aides for fantasy nerds What does that make MEA? A sleep aid for sci-fi nerds?
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Post by shechinah on Apr 29, 2017 16:27:41 GMT
There are mainly two reasons for why I haven't played the Witcher series during the times where I had the finances to buy it or now where I have the time to and can borrow it for free at the local library.
Hype Aversion/Hype Backlash
Usually before I purchase a game, I do a bit of looking at footage to see if it piqued my interest. The problem was that I could not get away from people gushing and proclaiming the game(s) the second coming which meant that when I looked at the footage, it could not live up the hype of what I'd heard. I decided to put off looking at it again until the hype in my mind died down but well, the third game came out and as you can see, it's rather hard avoiding hearing about it.
It was something similar that happened with Undertale for a lot of people. Thankfully, I dodged most of it and was able to enjoy the game for myself without all that hype in the back of my head.
Negative Association
I'm going to quote a post I recently came by: "When 100s of people are constantly and aggressively pestering you play/watch/enjoy something they enjoy and when you show the slightest bit of uninterest in it they start to be more aggressive and very bitter about it, it's very easy to be like "well fuck this then!"
Now I know it is not the entire fandom of the Witcher series that does this but there is a vocal portion that loves to shove the series into peoples' faces on unrelated forums or threads, insist people be interested and insult those who didn't like it or weren't interested. At one point, it was almost unavoidable for me and so bad that it caused me to associate the Witcher series with that annoyance thereby making me very uninterested in trying out the series.
I might give the Witcher series a try in the future but I'd rather wait 'till it no longer feels like I'm forcing myself to try something and instead have it feel like it is because I genuinely want to give the series a look out of interest. Depending on how it turns out, Cyberpunk may be the first CDProjekt game I play for these reasons.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 29, 2017 16:31:26 GMT
How is that video better? It's so cringeworthy on its own. No offense. The dorkiness and stiff/poor acting is real. I agree that the writers played it way too safe, but I enjoyed that we actually got a menacing alien race touching more on biology and religion rather than machines that kill. Came out like 30 years ago - it's classic. I'm not sure how you see the Kett as menacing... Theyre incredibly generic villains. If you've read any sci-fi at all, theyre laughable in their simplicity. The Archon and Primus is about as one-dimensional as a villains as the original Megatron and Starscream back in the 80s were. And oh yeah Primus is also a HUGE Transformers reference in the lore of The Transformers comics and some of the various TV shows Primus is a multiverse being and is the Creator or God of most of the Transformers and is the core of Cybertron, (if he's not Cybertron itself) with Unicron as his counterpart as the Destroyer of Worlds or the Chaos Bringer he also created a couple of Transformers one of them is named Scourge. The kett race as a whole not so much there is hints at something more interesting. Having recently watched all of the various Star Trek TV shows I would say that the Borg as a race were looking back on them in hindsight they were pretty much one of the most boring races in Star Trek Universe. All they were was a race of disposable evil bad guys that Captains Picard and Janeway could kill and they don't have to feel bad about it. It wasn't the writers came up the idea with characters being assimilated and escaping/leaving the Borg and then showing their struggles trying to regain their individuality and humanity like Picard, Hugh, Seven, and The Unimatrix Zero Rebellion did and the Queen being able to explain their reasons for doing what they do in a way that was beyond a just a pair of catch phrases that they finally made them interesting as a race.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 29, 2017 16:43:17 GMT
Don't want to live in either but between the worlds created by CDPR/Bioware I take Witchers over Bioware any day. To be fair, CDPR didn't create no world, Andrzej Sapkowski did. That is true, and the fact that the writer of novels has been pretty vocal about only the reason he signed off on the games was for a lot of money. He's also been pretty dismissive about The Witcher games in general and it sounds like he's doesn't like them. What is really annoying about the guy he doesn't seem like that fans of the games becoming fans of his novels which IMHO is pretty insulting to players in general.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 29, 2017 16:45:54 GMT
To be fair, CDPR didn't create no world, Andrzej Sapkowski did. That is true, and the fact that the writer of novels has been pretty vocal about only the reason he signed off on the games was for a lot of money. He's also been pretty dismissive about The Witcher games in general and it sounds like he's doesn't like them. What is really annoying about the guy he doesn't seem like that fans of the games becoming fans of his novels which IMHO is pretty insulting to players in general. Yeah, Sapkowski is a prick. I'm trying to avoid all the interviews, articles or even mentions about him, but his books are great.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 16:58:16 GMT
Lol, where I am in life, "friends" are people at work you chat with about gardening and kids's schools, not buddies I can borrow a PS4 from. As far as I have checked, short-term renting of consoles is not available locally. I think that exclusive releases to sell consoles is a dirty business practice. Providing how very few games are released each year in each genre, I think it's scandalous that the industry is not legislated to diversify their releases. Imagine if you could not go to the movies, and your only option to see the latest hit movie was if you bought a blue-ray player of a particular make from a specific manufacturer. There'd be riots.... But the gamers? We just eat it. I don't like exclusives either as a consumer but I understand that this is how they all stay in business. I have less of an issue with it than with selling stripped down content at full price and then charging the same amount for a season pass that finally gives you the entire experience. Or how they try to eliminate the used game market. Or how insidious online multiplayer games are, getting people addicted and the whole micro transactions scheme. But nobody has to go along with this stuff. It sucks missing out on good games because of exclusives. I never got to play any of the cool PS3 games. The console cost twice as much as an Xbox at the time, so I did the reasonable thing. I could probably get the console dirt cheap now or borrow it from a friend the same way I did with HZD. It's preordering and shelling out big bucks to play something NOW that let's the industry get away with too much. I looked at MEA footage and decided against paying full price for such an unpolished game. I have no intention of rewarding EA/Bioware for something that falls so below my expectations. I will wait for patches and probably buy it used. It always pays off to wait. Even when a game is really good. I played W3 months after release and by that time all the quest bugs were fixed. I could have gotten W3 for free but wanted CDPR to have my money because they did an amazing job. Voting with your wallet may change nothing if few people do it but at least one does not get cheated out of money. What one considers money well spent is subjective of course. I hope you'll get to play HZD eventually since it's a really good game imo. Well, my gaming was always rather pleasant and uneventful, so HZD is the first time I ran against sucky business descisions that makes a game I wanted to try unavailable. Heh.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 29, 2017 17:11:21 GMT
Personally I think the Witcher games suck and are basically masturbatory aides for fantasy nerds TY for proving to us that you are a blithering idiot worthy of being ignored. They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 17:12:38 GMT
LOL. There is no comparison between W3 and MEA. I know MEA clearly took inspiration from W3, but W3 feels almost like a masterpiece compared to MEA which feels like of like a bad comedy. I just remember being utterly blown away by the baron. All those quest connected to him, my god. And Kara was it? The island you go to for her with the whole story. So amazing. Not one thing in MEA hit me like those. I'm gonna have to replay W3 now that I think of it. And the bit they stole about switching siblings in MEA (vs Ciri swaps in W3), well it worked in W3 because the story pulled you in. You learned what was happening to her and you cared. Here, you don't really give two shits about your sibling because they don't write is so you might. In W3, Ciri was everything to Geralt. It opens with her. It cuts to her repeatedly. Yen and Geralt have one mission. Find Ciri. And not because someone asked them too but because she is like their daughter. Here, we have a sibling that is so disconnected from us and only dragged out for the final fight minus a few brief stops at the cryo bay. If you want me to feel invested in another character, you have to make the effort to help me care about them. Just because I am told they are my sibling doesn't mean I will automatically care. W3 really didn't even tell me clearly what the relationship was between Ciri and Yen/Geralt. I surmised it because it was that well written. Have you played Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine? They are arguably better than the main story. Whichever was the second release of the DLC I never played because I moved on to ESO for a while and never got back to witcher 3. Kind of looking forward to it now though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 17:16:18 GMT
LOL. There is no comparison between W3 and MEA. I know MEA clearly took inspiration from W3, but W3 feels almost like a masterpiece compared to MEA which feels like of like a bad comedy. I just remember being utterly blown away by the baron. All those quest connected to him, my god. And Kara was it? The island you go to for her with the whole story. So amazing. Not one thing in MEA hit me like those. I'm gonna have to replay W3 now that I think of it. And the bit they stole about switching siblings in MEA (vs Ciri swaps in W3), well it worked in W3 because the story pulled you in. You learned what was happening to her and you cared. Here, you don't really give two shits about your sibling because they don't write is so you might. In W3, Ciri was everything to Geralt. It opens with her. It cuts to her repeatedly. Yen and Geralt have one mission. Find Ciri. And not because someone asked them too but because she is like their daughter. Here, we have a sibling that is so disconnected from us and only dragged out for the final fight minus a few brief stops at the cryo bay. If you want me to feel invested in another character, you have to make the effort to help me care about them. Just because I am told they are my sibling doesn't mean I will automatically care. W3 really didn't even tell me clearly what the relationship was between Ciri and Yen/Geralt. I surmised it because it was that well written. Have you played Hearts of Stone and Blood and Wine? They are arguably better than the main story. Argueably? They are way better. Not to be a dick to TW3, but the main story is kind of meh! The Ciri stuff is awesome, Eredin is boring and then it ends.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 29, 2017 17:18:32 GMT
I'm a big fan of Geralt and TW3. I own all of the books and stories, as well as all of the games. I've reached that threshold, though, where I now roll my eyes everytime I see one of these threads. It wouldn't be bad if we could merge them all into one; but I don't think we need multiple TW3 threads on the front page of the MEA Discussion forum. When one dies, another will arise. I don't mind discussing TW3, but the constant comparisons are silly.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 29, 2017 17:31:03 GMT
TY for proving to us that you are a blithering idiot worthy of being ignored. They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. What are BW protagonists a fantasy of?
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Post by zeypher on Apr 29, 2017 17:35:10 GMT
TY for proving to us that you are a blithering idiot worthy of being ignored. They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. Yea every teenagers fantasy of being racially abused, being one of the last few of your caste and dying out, being spat at, not having any legal rights and not being a citizen of anywhere, being dirt poor and your job being pest control. Yes i am sure every teenager dreams of that. The fact you replied in a such a way proves your blatant ignorance. What makes witcher series enjoyable that inspite of all the shit Geralt has seen and has to live with it he still retains his Humanity and if you play your cards right he can find a small measure of happiness. Nothing is easy for witchers, they are not given some super power and to be everyone's hero. They are orphans who are experimented and mutated and some survive and even then they are hated by everybody. Humans hate em for being non human, non humans hate them for not being them and witchers have seen them selves dying, seeing their own die in fucking swamps collecting 12 coins per drowner head. The games kinda tone down this and ofcourse there are more monsters but a path of witcher is a fucking terrible life. Thats why Geralt is so surprised when Anna Henriata rewards him with a property as Geralt never owned anything worth an investment in his life till then. Hell even the Cat witcher you meet tells you that, people asked him to kill a Leshen and what they paid him didnt ever cover the cost of the ingredients of his potions. That is a witchers life. So yes again as you say a teenagers fantasy shows your idiocy and ignorance about the subject matter.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 29, 2017 17:39:21 GMT
TY for proving to us that you are a blithering idiot worthy of being ignored. They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers.
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 29, 2017 17:40:35 GMT
They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. Yea every teenagers fantasy of being racially abused, being one of the last few of your caste and dying out, being spat at, not having any legal rights and not being a citizen of anywhere, being dirt poor and your job being pest control. Yes i am sure every teenager dreams of that. The fact you replied in a such a way proves your blatant ignorance. Excellent point. The fact is Geralt is NEVER truly powerful, skilled yes but never in a commanding position. He is and remains on the Path, a Witcher.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 29, 2017 17:40:44 GMT
I remember former Daily Show host Jon Stewart once saying in documentary about humor "I guarantee you that there were Jews in the worst of the Nazi Concentration Camps during the Holocaust making jokes." Humor is a way of keeping one's sanity in the darkest times. The attempt at humour shouldn't be constant though... And it should actually be funny. It's mostly cringeworthy. "My dad is dead..." - smirks at the thought. It's a a matter of personal taste. Humor is one of the most individualistic forms of entertainment out there. I don't find MST3K funny but a lot of people do but I laugh my ass off at certain and "problematic" 80/90s sitcoms like: ALF, Mr. Belvedere, Full House, Family Matters, Gimme a Break, Mama's Family, and Night Court but I'm pretty sure a lot of people now of days who would find Night Court to be a very offensive show (and in some ways they might be right) and/or they would find it dated as hell, or just not funny for whatever reasons just like I don't find MST3K funny. What you find cringeworthy is something that I might a laugh out moment every time for me, and vice versa.
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TY for proving to us that you are a blithering idiot worthy of being ignored. They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. In regards to the first Witcher game and the sex cards I would say that it was the devs who were juvenile, not Geralt. Geralt himself is a professional and the way i play him is as a father and a committed boyfriend to a lovely red head. Of all things you could jab at The Witcher for that was a weird pick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 17:44:08 GMT
I remember former Daily Show host Jon Stewart once saying in documentary about humor "I guarantee you that there were Jews in the worst of the Nazi Concentration Camps during the Holocaust making jokes." Humor is a way of keeping one's sanity in the darkest times. The attempt at humour shouldn't be constant though... And it should actually be funny. It's mostly cringeworthy. "My dad is dead..." - smirks at the thought. That is an animation issue, not intentional. You'll just nitpick anything, huh?
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 29, 2017 17:52:50 GMT
They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. In regards to the first Witcher game and the sex cards I would say that it was the devs who were juvenile, not Geralt. Geralt himself is a professional and the way i play him is as a father and a committed boyfriend to a lovely red head. Of all things you could jab at The Witcher for that was a weird pick. Well not really. That's just all they could get away with at the time. They weren't able to full sex scenes due to technical issues and fear of censorship. Even the little bit of nudity there was was cut from the USA version and the gore was also censored. If you read the books sex and violence is heavy throughout.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 29, 2017 18:05:21 GMT
In regards to the first Witcher game and the sex cards I would say that it was the devs who were juvenile, not Geralt. Geralt himself is a professional and the way i play him is as a father and a committed boyfriend to a lovely red head. Of all things you could jab at The Witcher for that was a weird pick. Well not really. That's just all they could get away with at the time. They weren't able to full sex scenes due to technical issues and fear of censorship. Even the little bit of nudity there was was cut from the USA version and the gore was also censored. If you read the books sex and violence is heavy throughout. Again its RPG, you have the choice to be a womanizing witcher or not, but its a choice. I expect choices in a RPG because that is what makes them interesting. Besides Witcher gets the feeling of a medieval era setting quite right. A lot of Americans especially think racism is a concept between black and white and they are dead wrong. European and Indian history is choke full of people being racist against different castes.
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