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Post by griffith82 on Apr 29, 2017 18:09:05 GMT
Well not really. That's just all they could get away with at the time. They weren't able to full sex scenes due to technical issues and fear of censorship. Even the little bit of nudity there was was cut from the USA version and the gore was also censored. If you read the books sex and violence is heavy throughout. Again its RPG, you have the choice to be a womanizing witcher or not, but its a choice. I expect choices in a RPG because that is what makes them interesting. Yes they do.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 29, 2017 18:09:32 GMT
They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. Yea every teenagers fantasy of being racially abused, being one of the last few of your caste and dying out, being spat at, not having any legal rights and not being a citizen of anywhere, being dirt poor and your job being pest control. Yes i am sure every teenager dreams of that. The fact you replied in a such a way proves your blatant ignorance. What makes witcher series enjoyable that inspite of all the shit Geralt has seen and has to live with it he still retains his Humanity and if you play your cards right he can find a small measure of happiness. Nothing is easy for witchers, they are not given some super power and to be everyone's hero. They are orphans who are experimented and mutated and some survive and even then they are hated by everybody. Humans hate em for being non human, non humans hate them for not being them and witchers have seen them selves dying, seeing their own die in fucking swamps collecting 12 coins per drowner head. The games kinda tone down this and ofcourse there are more monsters but a path of witcher is a fucking terrible life. Thats why Geralt is so surprised when Anna Henriata rewards him with a property as Geralt never owned anything worth an investment in his life till then. Hell even the Cat witcher you meet tells you that, people asked him to kill a Leshen and what they paid him didnt ever cover the cost of the ingredients of his potions. That is a witchers life. So yes again as you say a teenagers fantasy shows your idiocy and ignorance about the subject matter. On the surface The Witcher (and the same with Mass Effect, and Dragon Age series) it's simply a straight teenage boy's power fantasy. Think about it: he goes around the world kills monsters and people that gets in his way and doesn't get arrested. He get involved important world changing events in his world and impose his will on them and he can pretty much fuck any woman he wants and doesn't have to worry about getting them pregnant or worrying about getting STDs, and etc. That is a basically straight teenage boy's power fantasy on the surface. Now once you get into the details that is where you find the hardship and the humanity, (and again it's the same with all the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games) but strictly on the surface it's another straight teenage boy's power fantasy and the way TW3 has been talked by a lot of it's fans who seem just to want that and little else and all the hardships, humanity, and what deep meanings there are just window dressing to them. And to deny that some of the appeal of The Witcher series and the same with Dragon Age and Mass Effect series is that it's at end of the day they're basically straight teenage boy's power fantasies cranked up to 11 and that is the appeal to some of the fans IMHO is just plain fucking stupid.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 29, 2017 18:15:04 GMT
Yea every teenagers fantasy of being racially abused, being one of the last few of your caste and dying out, being spat at, not having any legal rights and not being a citizen of anywhere, being dirt poor and your job being pest control. Yes i am sure every teenager dreams of that. The fact you replied in a such a way proves your blatant ignorance. What makes witcher series enjoyable that inspite of all the shit Geralt has seen and has to live with it he still retains his Humanity and if you play your cards right he can find a small measure of happiness. Nothing is easy for witchers, they are not given some super power and to be everyone's hero. They are orphans who are experimented and mutated and some survive and even then they are hated by everybody. Humans hate em for being non human, non humans hate them for not being them and witchers have seen them selves dying, seeing their own die in fucking swamps collecting 12 coins per drowner head. The games kinda tone down this and ofcourse there are more monsters but a path of witcher is a fucking terrible life. Thats why Geralt is so surprised when Anna Henriata rewards him with a property as Geralt never owned anything worth an investment in his life till then. Hell even the Cat witcher you meet tells you that, people asked him to kill a Leshen and what they paid him didnt ever cover the cost of the ingredients of his potions. That is a witchers life. So yes again as you say a teenagers fantasy shows your idiocy and ignorance about the subject matter. On the surface The Witcher (and the same with Mass Effect, and Dragon Age series) it's simply a straight teenage boy's power fantasy. Think about it: he goes around the world kills monsters and people that gets in his way and doesn't get arrested. He get involved important world changing events in his world and impose his will on them and he can pretty much fuck any woman he wants and doesn't have to worry about getting them pregnant or worrying about getting STDs, and etc. That is a basically straight teenage boy's power fantasy on the surface. Now once you get into the details that is where you find the hardship and the humanity, (and again it's the same with all the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games) but strictly on the surface it's another straight teenage boy's power fantasy and the way TW3 has been talked by a lot of it's fans who seem just to want that and little else and all the hardships, humanity, and what deep meanings there are just window dressing to them. And to deny that some of the appeal of The Witcher series and the same with Dragon Age and Mass Effect series is that it's at end of the day they're basically straight teenage boy's power fantasies cranked up to 11 and that is the appeal to some of the fans IMHO is just plain fucking stupid. Im sorry but you are wrong, teenage fantasy dialed to 11 is what applies to bioware games. Or you kind of miss the whole chosen one concept especially popular in bio games of late. In the witcher 3 you are not the chosen one, you have no powers over beings who make the rules of the setting, its your Daughter instead who has the power and the woman you love. So again you are being extremely biased in how you portray the witcher series. Now teenage fantasy game are not bad, they are a nice guilty pleasures and that is generally one of Bioware games main appeal. To elaborate even more, DAI you are the leader of the army of faithful, MEA you are the main and the only pathfinder of the entire initiative and cluster's chosen one. You would expect a role with so much power with give you more options and freedom but they do not, instead a game like witcher where your character is clearly limited and has no power over the setting gives you more options and choices instead. That is the main issue that annoys a lot of us that Bioware put the player character in a position that should in theory give you more choices and options but they do not do so. That is why we call them over the writing cause the concept should make for a hell of a game with good amount of choices and options but sadly they never appear.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 29, 2017 18:25:10 GMT
In regards to the first Witcher game and the sex cards I would say that it was the devs who were juvenile, not Geralt. Geralt himself is a professional and the way i play him is as a father and a committed boyfriend to a lovely red head. Of all things you could jab at The Witcher for that was a weird pick. It's not a jab at all - Mass Effect is a power fantasy as well; Geralt the character is pretty much a badass who can get all the ladies.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 18:27:37 GMT
which is why to an extent. WD seems to be really hit or.miss when it comes to philosophical appeal. Loved the Alxendria and gov stuff, hated the terminus arc, and the verdict is still out on Neegan. Yes. That was a theme. But they didn't spend any time examining the theme. Unlike how the respective authors did with John Sheridan. John Snoe. And even the Inquisitor. DA I is just philosophically diverse because of its nuance. There aren't just a pile of good guys and one of bad guys. Plus its themes of tyranny versus liberty. What is the nature of truth. And its examination of historical themes really floats my boat. Hell not to mention how Dragon Age treats religion and seriously looks at it and examines it with a mature and critical eye. I thought Mass Effect had plenty of controversial and philosophical themes. They were not all spelled out though. The fate of the krogan alone as a race that got uplifted too soon and suffered the consequences (genophage) that led to a morally and artistically bankrupt mercenary society out of despair is one of my favorites. I agree about the contemplation of religion in DAI. That was one of the best things about the game, much better than the Corypheus plot. And I'm not religious myself. I thought it was handled really well. Dragon Age is more about a reflection of real life politics, which includes the politics of religion, while Mass Effect is more existentialist imo. Corypheus was a part of the religious thread though. He wss steeped in it. Both as a priest of dumat and his ultimate disillusionment and goals in DA I.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 18:42:02 GMT
God Bioware really can't win:
BW fans: the Inquisitor is picking flowers...what is this nonsense? They lead entire armies!
BW: ok we will make the Pathfinder a lot younger, not the chosen one, and give them less overall power.
Also Bioware fans: the Pathfinder has too little power and freedom.
I will note that pretty much the power rests with the player. If you don't think the vaunted Pathfinder should be doing something. Don't do it.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 18:43:39 GMT
They don't suck, but Geralt pretty much is a fantasy for teenagers. The amount of oversimplification here is impressive. Is "Alloy" from HZD also a "Fantasy for teenagers", or is it just the game with the male protagonist?
I mean, sure, elements of "power fantasy" exist in many games, that's why people like video games, they allow them to do things and play roles they can't in real life.
Did you play "Hearts of Stone" or "Blood and Wine"? Dismissing these rather amazing adventures as "fantasy for teenagers" is rather retarded. (especially considering how many non-teenagers played and enjoyed them)
Geralt himself is just the tool you experience the story with, he may not win great prizes on his own (even if he has more depth than some give him credit for), but that's largely irrelevant.
kind of the thing though. The quality of story writing in the two...especially Blood and Wine is staggering.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 18:50:00 GMT
I thought Mass Effect had plenty of controversial and philosophical themes. They were not all spelled out though. The fate of the krogan alone as a race that got uplifted too soon and suffered the consequences (genophage) that led to a morally and artistically bankrupt mercenary society out of despair is one of my favorites. I agree about the contemplation of religion in DAI. That was one of the best things about the game, much better than the Corypheus plot. And I'm not religious myself. I thought it was handled really well. Dragon Age is more about a reflection of real life politics, which includes the politics of religion, while Mass Effect is more existentialist imo. Corypheus was a part of the religious thread though. He wss steeped in it. Both as a priest of dumat and his ultimate disillusionment and goals in DA I. Yes, but he was such a terrible cartoon villain that I ignore anything that has to do with him even though strictly speaking he WAS an interesting character in DA2 who hinted at the Chantry making up stuff to blame the blight on Tevinter. The main story was BAD. What was awesome about the game was the elven gods business, the companions. I was SO stoked for DA4 after finishing Trespasser.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 18:51:36 GMT
kind of the thing though. The quality of story writing in the two...especially Blood and Wine is staggering. I have no idea what you're saying here. what i mean is Witcher 3...the base game...wasn't that well written. Blood and Wine, if it was the main plot and tone of witcher 3...i would be singing the game's praises.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 18:55:37 GMT
Corypheus was a part of the religious thread though. He wss steeped in it. Both as a priest of dumat and his ultimate disillusionment and goals in DA I. Yes, but he was such a terrible cartoon villain that I ignore anything that has to do with him even though strictly speaking he WAS an interesting character in DA2 who hinted at the Chantry making up stuff to blame the blight on Tevinter. The main story was BAD. What was awesome about the game was the elven gods business, the companions. I was SO stoked for DA4 after finishing Trespasser. Corypheus wasn't just cartoonishly evil. I have seen cartoon baddies a LOT recently. Corypheus was very complicated but also had piss poor on screen execution and ended up being a gateway bad guy.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 29, 2017 19:16:53 GMT
I have no idea what you're saying here. what i mean is Witcher 3...the base game...wasn't that well written. Blood and Wine, if it was the main plot and tone of witcher 3...i would be singing the game's praises. Agreed. The main story has some baffling lapses in quality. It's really a game of multiple side stories that shine. And with the expansions I have almost no complaints about the writing. HoS is some of their best work.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 19:18:04 GMT
Yes, but he was such a terrible cartoon villain that I ignore anything that has to do with him even though strictly speaking he WAS an interesting character in DA2 who hinted at the Chantry making up stuff to blame the blight on Tevinter. The main story was BAD. What was awesome about the game was the elven gods business, the companions. I was SO stoked for DA4 after finishing Trespasser. Corypheus wasn't just cartoonishly evil. I have seen cartoon baddies a LOT recently. Corypheus was very complicated but also had piss poor on screen execution and ended up being a gateway bad guy. He was a joke in DAI. He was very poorly written. Bringing him back to throw childish tantrums is not compelling storytelling. I guess they needed a link to the ancient elves, but the execution was terrible. Solas on the other hand is the best Bioware villain in 10 years. Brilliant move. I hope the writers don't mess this up. I want the next game to focus fully on the actual main story of this franchise that has surfaced after carefully setting up the twist in DAI: how did the ancient elves fuck everyone over? what happened that caused the blight? how are the titans linked to all of this? I want to hunt Solas down and get answers for all the questions raised. No more distracting mustache twirling Corypheus. Then at the very end I want to decide the fate of Thedas by making choices concerning magic and the fade. At this point I'm far more invested in Dragon Age than Mass Effect because that franchise died for me with the reapers.
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Post by Eterna on Apr 29, 2017 19:20:31 GMT
Can you people please just let me enjoy my shitty game in peace? Nope You're a person?
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Post by vonuber on Apr 29, 2017 19:32:54 GMT
The amount of oversimplification here is impressive. Is "Alloy" from HZD also a "Fantasy for teenagers", or is it just the game with the male protagonist? I mean, sure, elements of "power fantasy" exist in many games, that's why people like video games, they allow them to do things and play roles they can't in real life. Did you play "Hearts of Stone" or "Blood and Wine"? Dismissing these rather amazing adventures as "fantasy for teenagers" is rather retarded. (especially considering how many non-teenagers played and enjoyed them) Geralt himself is just the tool you experience the story with, he may not win great prizes on his own (even if he has more depth than some give him credit for), but that's largely irrelevant. I've not played HZD so I can't say. I've not played the DLC - why would I buy DLC for a game I was terribly bored playing to the point I stopped? My point is about Geralt as a character- he is supposed to be an outcast and despised by all, but wait! He's a complete fighting badass who coincidentally all the women want (as he can't get the pregnant or get them a disease, fancy that!). If I was a teenage boy playing the game and wondering why Jim picks on me and why Sarah doesn't notice me, I'd be well into Geralt. He's the escapist hero for you. Just to add, I played all of 1, half of 2 and about 3 or 4 hours of 3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 19:42:58 GMT
I'm a big fan of Geralt and TW3. I own all of the books and stories, as well as all of the games. I've reached that threshold, though, where I now roll my eyes everytime I see one of these threads. It wouldn't be bad if we could merge them all into one; but I don't think we need multiple TW3 threads on the front page of the MEA Discussion forum. When one dies, another will arise. I don't mind discussing TW3, but the constant comparisons are silly. I disagree, I find the various ones interesting to read. After all, one of the big reasons we log in here is to engage in stimulating conversations.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 29, 2017 19:55:01 GMT
Yea so your opinion frankly doesn't matter, as you are ignorant of the subject matter. 3 hours in a 100 hours game barely classifies as playing it. Atleast have the basic decency to comment if you have played the games. Finally again what a lot of us want from Bioware is too give the same level of care and attention to detail to their franchise as CDPR does to theirs. Or do you feel that even that is too much to ask? Do you feel contented with Bioware making mediocre games at best when we know that they can and should try to do better.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 19:58:05 GMT
Corypheus wasn't just cartoonishly evil. I have seen cartoon baddies a LOT recently. Corypheus was very complicated but also had piss poor on screen execution and ended up being a gateway bad guy. He was a joke in DAI. He was very poorly written. Bringing him back to throw childish tantrums is not compelling storytelling. I guess they needed a link to the ancient elves, but the execution was terrible. Solas on the other hand is the best Bioware villain in 10 years. Brilliant move. I hope the writers don't mess this up. I want the next game to focus fully on the actual main story of this franchise that has surfaced after carefully setting up the twist in DAI: how did the ancient elves fuck everyone over? what happened that caused the blight? how are the titans linked to all of this? I want to hunt Solas down and get answers for all the questions raised. No more distracting mustache twirling Corypheus. Then at the very end I want to decide the fate of Thedas by making choices concerning magic and the fade. At this point I'm far more invested in Dragon Age than Mass Effect because that franchise died for me with the reapers. "Dumat ancient ones i beseech you if you exist, if you ever truly existed, aid me now." that combined with what we learned from the temple of dumat indicates he is a sad broken man trying to make sense of a universe that does not. A universe that was corrupted. Sympathetic in a way...and he has a lot of reason to be pissed. A brilliant tactician who only failed because he was confronted by the freaking messiah. Bioware has done way better villains...but they and a few other people have done worse too.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 29, 2017 20:06:25 GMT
It's based also on the previous 2 games.
Edit: and also isn't the fact that I got terminably bored playing the game at the start an issue in of itself?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 29, 2017 20:17:32 GMT
The witcher games have certainly matured. I remember back when I played W2 on Xbox that I constantly rolled my eyes at how much of a guy game it was. I haven't replayed since, so my memory is foggy, but I think that game had a random woman offering sex as thanks for saving her life. There is no such thing in W3. Most people are either disgusted or afraid of him.
The teenage boy fantasy got replaced with a family theme. And that is very much in line with the novels. I don't share Sapkowski's arrogant dismissal of the games and the people who play them, but he does have a point criticizing the shallow reception of his complex characters.
So yes, I will say that the first two games were less mature than the novels and W3 to a much lesser extent as well. Because the games DO cater to men. However, how one roleplays Geralt is much more reflective of the player than the character. Geralt is no more a gigolo thinking he can get a threesome than Shepard is a pure renegade psycho. It's a choice. Because it's an RPG.
The games do indulge juvenile fantasies, as do Bioware games, but it's not what the games are about. And it's certainly not what the book character is about.
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Post by erikson on Apr 29, 2017 20:19:06 GMT
Ok, recent member here, just wanted to throw my few cents in as someone who recently failed a replay of W3. I've played W2 and W3 (all DLC as well), I couldn't get W1 to work on my computer so I never played that one. I throught W2 was very good, but I would rank it below every Dragon Age game for me. W3 is an astronomical leap in quality between the second and third installments and I woud rank it as the best game I have ever played. I have been very slow to get back to it again though, and now that I have tried (after finishing a playthrough of Andromeda) I doubt I ever will. Knowing what is going to happen in the game, without any suprises to carry me forward, I just can't get into it again, and I lay that at the feet of the protagonist. I really like Geralt as a character (he may be one of my favorite game characters), but I just do not like roleplaying as him. The is nothing aspirational or compelling to me about walking in his shoes, he feels kind of like an albatross I have to carry through the game with me. I didn't get far into the game, but I remember during the prologue at Kaer Morhen with Ciri I just kept thinking "Wow, she is a lot of fun, I'd really like to play as this character instead of the elderly grumpy guy". The game feels like Horizon Zero Dawn in reverse, you have this brash (ok Aloy is a tad monochrome in her personality ) fun young character that I really enjoy, but I have to play as her grizzled elderly father figure intsead. I don't think I'll ever play the Witcher games again, but I'll replay Andromeda probably at least another 3 or 4 times because I really love Sara Ryder. I can guarantee though if they ever release another game with Ciri as the protaganist I'll still be playing that on my deathbed.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 29, 2017 20:23:17 GMT
I don't want to sound all that positive about the war in ME3 here. The space combat lore is a mess, and always has been. Planets are completely indefensible the way the techs work; the MEU should be ruled by space pirates. Although, technically, I guess that's kind of what the Reapers are. Systems Alliance: Military Doctrine The Alliance military is of great concern to the galaxy. At first contact with the turians, they were completely inexperienced. Turian disdain turned to respect after the relief of Shanxi, where the humans surprised them with novel technologies and tactics.
The human devotion to understanding and adapting to modern space warfare stunned the staid Council races. For hundreds of years, they had lived behind the secure walls of long-proven technology and tactics. The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant". Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species.
While competent, Alliance soldiers are neither as professional as the turians nor as skilled as the asari. Their strengths lie in fire support, flexibility, and speed. They make up for lack of numbers with sophisticated technical support (V.I.s, drones, artillery, electronic warfare) and emphasis on mobility and individual initiative.
Their doctrine is not based on absorbing and dishing out heavy shocks like the turians and krogan. Rather, they bypass enemy strong points and launch deep into their rear, cutting supply lines and destroying headquarters and support units, leaving enemies to "wither on the vine".
On defensive, the human military is a rapid reaction force that lives by Sun Tzu's maxim, "He who tries to defend everything defends nothing." Garrisons are intended for scouting rather than combat, avoiding engagement to observe and report on invaders using drones.
The token garrisons of human colonies make it easy for alien powers to secure them, for which the Alliance media criticizes the military. However, the powerful fleets stationed at phase gate nexuses such as Arcturus are just a few hours or days from any colony within their sphere of responsibility. In the event of an attack, they respond with an overwhelming force.That's the point. A planet isn't defensible for either side. The owner can't hold it, and an attacker can't keep it. Worse still,there's no way to keep an adversary from outright destroying planets. This grants the advantage to a side that doesn't need or want planets. Hence, space pirates. Picture evil quarians ruthlessly blackmailing the Council by threatening to bomb the life from Thessia.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 29, 2017 20:26:06 GMT
Actually that is something that always bugged me...How can the witcher games exist if the author hates them/the medium?
Also i couldn't roleplay Geralt.
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Post by erikson on Apr 29, 2017 20:31:56 GMT
Ok, recent member here, just wanted to throw my few cents in as someone who recently failed a replay of W3. I've played W2 and W3 (all DLC as well), I couldn't get W1 to work on my computer so I never played that one. I throught W2 was very good, but I would rank it below every Dragon Age game for me. W3 is an astronomical leap in quality between the second and third installments and I woud rank it as the best game I have ever played. I have been very slow to get back to it again though, and now that I have tried (after finishing a playthrough of Andromeda) I doubt I ever will. Knowing what is going to happen in the game, without any suprises to carry me forward, I just can't get into it again, and I lay that at the feet of the protagonist. I really like Geralt as a character (he may be one of my favorite game characters), but I just do not like roleplaying as him. The is nothing aspirational or compelling to me about walking in his shoes, he feels kind of like an albatross I have to carry through the game with me. I didn't get far into the game, but I remember during the prologue at Kaer Morhen with Ciri I just kept thinking "Wow, she is a lot of fun, I'd really like to play as this character instead of the elderly grumpy guy". The game feels like Horizon Zero Dawn in reverse, you have this brash (ok Aloy is a tad monochrome in her personality ) fun young character that I really enjoy, but I have to play as her grizzled elderly father figure intsead. I don't think I'll ever play the Witcher games again, but I'll replay Andromeda probably at least another 3 or 4 times because I really love Sara Ryder. I can guarantee though if they ever release another game with Ciri as the protaganist I'll still be playing that on my deathbed.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 29, 2017 20:32:23 GMT
Actually that is something that always bugged me...How can the witcher games exist if the author hates them/the medium? Also i couldn't roleplay Geralt. I have all three GOTY editions. I have about five achievements among the three of them. I just can't do it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 29, 2017 20:33:09 GMT
"You get a sense of just how dire the situation is for civilians caught up in battle, ravaged by looters and bandits, or left baffled at what to do once The Wild Hunt leaves the village in ruins. When locked into a conversation, facial expressions, the tone of voice, the writing, it all creates a gloomy atmosphere that completes the experience. It feels real. The same can't be said for Andromeda." www.google.com/amp/amp.windowscentral.com/playing-witcher-3-again-makes-me-more-upset-about-mass-effectCurious what people that also dislike Andromeda think could be game changer for the game in a patch - for me, if they somehow took a sledgehammer to the script and gave it more mature writing, I'd revisit the game And look past its other issues. Conversely, if this game had amazing graphics like Dice's games - I'd probably also revisit the game and try to overlook the script just to experience the visuals. - The like/love thread is around here somewhere if you feel triggered to jump into this thread just to bitch and moan. No. Mass Effect and Dragon Age are not The Witcher, yes they can take up some inspiration but they should never go for that level of shit pit world or "mature writing". One of the thing I love about DA is that the tone can be more light-silly in a colorful world but still has that edge of conflict and dept. Like the Mage Origin for example. One little mouse turn out to be more... This I agree with... that is, I agreed with it until Inquisition because I think the aesthetic and graphics has changed to be more "mature" and now it stands out how whimsical the writing is in DA. It worked perfectly with the simplistic style of DA:O and its simple game-design but they have increased emphasis on the human characters and realistic materials and also the cinematic direction more and more so now it reminds me more of a Marvel Studios movie or something... white to say the least I do not like very much.
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