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Post by cotheer on Apr 19, 2017 17:33:57 GMT
Have you at least watched gameplay and conversations before you decided that you absolutely won't play the game?
*shrug* It's your choice, but I know that quite a few people who felt wary of TW3 tried it eventually and liked it.
. Witcher 3 costs $70. I am not paying more than 20$ for a game I likely not going to like.  Witcher 3 is 30€ on steam (don't know the $ equivalent) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:35:13 GMT
It describes the lead as a fixed male protagonist. It could be something used to facilitate the writing, but it does not specifically say anything about the ability to customize your character. Also, it appears to emphasize the new style MP content, w/o mentioning the NPC party, so it looks like a strictly solo game with transitions to MP areas. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:37:36 GMT
I saw screenshots. I did not like them . Witcher 3 costs $70. I am not paying more than 20$ for a game I likely not going to like. :huh: Witcher 3 is 30€ on steam (don't know the $ equivalent) It's $70 on Origin for the GOTY. |
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Post by Geitenneuker on Apr 19, 2017 17:39:18 GMT
It describes the lead as a fixed male protagonist. It could be something used to facilitate the writing, but it does not specifically say anything about the ability to customize your character. Also, it appears to emphasize the new style MP content, w/o mentioning the NPC party, so it looks like a strictly solo game with transitions to MP areas. I don't think gender matters, the story does. I play whatever I am given. |
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Post by kleindropper on Apr 19, 2017 17:40:30 GMT
I've played 3 hours of the witcher 3. It sits on my hard drive accusingly asking why I don't worship it like everyone else. I look at it and say - meh. And then fire up something else. The combat in TW3 is quite funky and I complained about it quite a bit initially, but it grew on me as I treated the fights more like duels instead of mass killings, and worked on the potion, oil, and skill side a bit more. The open world, the unique characters, and cinematics of TW3 are unparallelled. Sometimes I would just jump in a boat and sail around Skellige looking at stuff to relax. There is one moment in the TW3 that is the only time in all my game playing where I came close to crying because of the story. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:40:43 GMT
I don't want to go back to isometrics; I have only recently played ME and DA series, and have enough runs of those to keep me entertained for a year or two. Then I will see what's on the market. I am hoping that both BioWARE and someone else (?) will make my kind of games. If not, then not. If what you like is party, dialogue, conversations and interesting plot and characters, there's much of it in some of these games. The character Glory from Shadowrun: Dragonfall is amazing. And there are others. There's no romance in these games (there will be in the next PoE which I supported on Fig) but character development and relationships are very good. I saw screenshots. I did not like them. Seriously?... How are screenshots supposed to give you any kind of representative indication of what a game is like?
It sounds to me like you are determined to not like it, which is okay of course, but seems to go into the territory of loving to hate something.
To be honest, I don't really like the romances in the Witcher that much compared to Bioware. Especially since they railroaded you into one in TW2. I'm talking about TW3. TW2 was certainly better than TW1, but not even close to TW3.
As for a comparison, there's no doubt that Yen is the Romance the game seems to want you to choose in TW3, but even Triss is very good.
The Shani thing in the Expansion was great as well, even if you can't actually call it a full-fledged romance. I'd say that her character was probably more charming and alive than any BW romance option, ever.
But hey, to each their own.
I did not like how geralt looks like on the screenshots and the landscapes. And, erm, I don't like women in a romantic way (no offence). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 17:41:16 GMT
It describes the lead as a fixed male protagonist. It could be something used to facilitate the writing, but it does not specifically say anything about the ability to customize your character. Also, it appears to emphasize the new style MP content, w/o mentioning the NPC party, so it looks like a strictly solo game with transitions to MP areas. I don't think gender matters, the story does. I play whatever I am given. And I need to create my own hero. That's how my games start. |
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Post by smilesja on Apr 19, 2017 17:41:39 GMT
I don't want to go back to isometrics; I have only recently played ME and DA series, and have enough runs of those to keep me entertained for a year or two. Then I will see what's on the market. I am hoping that both BioWARE and someone else (?) will make my kind of games. If not, then not. If what you like is party, dialogue, conversations and interesting plot and characters, there's much of it in some of these games. The character Glory from Shadowrun: Dragonfall is amazing. And there are others. There's no romance in these games (there will be in the next PoE which I supported on Fig) but character development and relationships are very good. I saw screenshots. I did not like them. Seriously?... How are screenshots supposed to give you any kind of representative indication of what a game is like?
It sounds to me like you are determined to not like it, which is okay of course, but seems to go into the territory of loving to hate something.
To be honest, I don't really like the romances in the Witcher that much compared to Bioware. Especially since they railroaded you into one in TW2. I'm talking about TW3. TW2 was certainly better than TW1, but not even close to TW3.
As for a comparison, there's no doubt that Yen is the Romance the game seems to want you to choose in TW3, but even Triss is very good.
The Shani thing in the Expansion was great as well, even if you can't actually call it a full-fledged romance. I'd say that her character was probably more charming and alive than any BW romance option, ever.
But hey, to each their own.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 19, 2017 17:43:04 GMT
Witcher 3 is 30€ on steam (don't know the $ equivalent) It's $70 on Origin for the GOTY. Not sure where you live, but atm, it's ~48$ for GOTY here in EU *shrugs* |
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 19, 2017 17:47:04 GMT
I'm just salty I couldn't get with Cerys tbh
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 19, 2017 17:48:01 GMT
I wish I could get into the Witcher series.
Seriously, people cannot stop saying great things about the series and the developers have an amazing reputation that seems well earned.
Call me shallow, but I just cannot get past Geralt's design.
He looks like he should be painted on the side of a blacked out window tinted van in the style of a Meatloaf album cover slaying a monster while a bare breasted wench clings to his leg with her hand slowly rising higher towards his...
Sorry I lost where I was going with this.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 19, 2017 18:02:29 GMT
The article makes some valid points of course, but it's hard to treat seriously when a) it claims Liam's loyalty mission is the best quest in MEA and  at the same time can't even write his surname correctly. From a technical point Liam's quest is one of the best quests. The vault ones are close too. |
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Post by Kimberly on Apr 19, 2017 18:09:22 GMT
Oh, zut, I found an article on the Cyberpunk 2077 dated March 2017. Off the list, because it's another solitary fixed male protagonist, no mention of the party: Cyberpunk 2077 takes place in, you guessed it, the year 2077. In a sprawling metropolis called Night City, you take on the role of a streetwise young man who was raised in the gutter and wants to improve his life. The street gangs and megacorps will do all they can to keep people down. I guess, it is just BiOWARE then. Too bad that all CDPR wants is to keep pumping out the geralts. damn it! I was hoping to play a female in this. I was so looking forward to this game. 😡 |
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 19, 2017 18:11:01 GMT
Oh, zut, I found an article on the Cyberpunk 2077 dated March 2017. Off the list, because it's another solitary fixed male protagonist, no mention of the party: Cyberpunk 2077 takes place in, you guessed it, the year 2077. In a sprawling metropolis called Night City, you take on the role of a streetwise young man who was raised in the gutter and wants to improve his life. The street gangs and megacorps will do all they can to keep people down. I guess, it is just BiOWARE then. Too bad that all CDPR wants is to keep pumping out the geralts. damn it! I was hoping to play a female in this. I was so looking forward to this game. 😡 relax, there's no official confirmation of no CC, just that in this one preview the character was a man |
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Post by Kimberly on Apr 19, 2017 18:14:49 GMT
damn it! I was hoping to play a female in this. I was so looking forward to this game. 😡 relax, there's no official confirmation of no CC, just that in this one preview the character was a man I hope so. I could never get into the Witcher. I do play male protagonist games, but want to play more games as a woman. It wouldn't surprise me if it is a male protagonist. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 19, 2017 18:23:25 GMT
I like both so who cares, but I was honestly hoping for a create-a-character for Cyberpunk. That aside why are people asking for "party"? That has never been a staple of CDPR's games. Their supporting characters like Zoltan or Dandelion are individuals. They have lots of screentime but they're not followers like in a CRPG and it has never been that way.
The upside to a fixed protagonist is that their story will be laid out better. I hope they're interesting like I felt Geralt was in TW2 and less like TW3 where he was just "awesome" and "handsome" and "morally good" and "disliked by the public". He had a little bit of the BioWare Sue Protagonist feel at times and I'm a little worried about where CDPR is going to be honest. I want them to peak higher than TW3 than starting their BioWare-esque decline already.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 18:28:19 GMT
I did not like how geralt looks like on the screenshots and the landscapes. And, erm, I don't like women in a romantic way. Are you interested in these games only for the Romance? Because the Romance is optional, even if it is somewhat linked to the narrative. No, I play games to create my own hero, recruit a crew of cool characters that stick with me for the whole game, that I, the player, can chose to be foes, friends or lovers with my hero. And then send that hero on a cool adventure accompanied by his or her party. It's just how I like my games (shrug). Call me weird, whatever. That's why I like ME series so much, including Andromeda. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 19, 2017 18:33:28 GMT
I like both so who cares, but I was honestly hoping for a create-a-character for Cyberpunk. That aside why are people asking for "party"? That has never been a staple of CDPR's games. Their supporting characters like Zoltan or Dandelion are individuals. They have lots of screentime but they're not followers like in a CRPG and it has never been that way. The upside to a fixed protagonist is that their story will be laid out better. I hope they're interesting like I felt Geralt was in TW2 and less like TW3 where he was just "awesome" and "handsome" and "morally good" and "disliked by the public". He had a little bit of the BioWare Sue Protagonist feel at times and I'm a little worried about where CDPR is going to be honest. I want them to peak higher than TW3 than starting their BioWare-esque decline already. oh brother... Though you do raise a good point. Have to wonder why people are into Geralt so much when a wide swath of gaming seems to prefer power fantaisies when Geralt...isn't all that 'powerful' |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 19, 2017 18:34:13 GMT
Are you interested in these games only for the Romance? Because the Romance is optional, even if it is somewhat linked to the narrative. No, I play games to create my own hero, recruit a crew of cool characters that stick with me for the whole game, that I, the player, can chose to be foes, friends or lovers with my hero. And then send that hero on a cool adventure accompanied by his or her party. It's just how I like my games (shrug). Call me weird, whatever. That's why I like ME series so much, including Andromeda. It's not that you're "weird" but literally only BioWare makes these games in a AAA capacity and it's a design that harkens back to the CRPGs of olden days like Baldur's Gate or InXile RPGs and JRPGs. CDPR never made those games and even Obsidian decided not to do this with Alpha Protocol. It's just not a very used feature in AAA gaming at large and I don't see any western developer outside of BioWare to do it too much in the future. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 19, 2017 18:35:54 GMT
No, I play games to create my own hero, recruit a crew of cool characters that stick with me for the whole game, that I, the player, can chose to be foes, friends or lovers with my hero. And then send that hero on a cool adventure accompanied by his or her party. It's just how I like my games (shrug). Call me weird, whatever. That's why I like ME series so much, including Andromeda. It's not that you're "weird" but literally only BioWare makes these games in a AAA capacity and it's a design that harkens back to the CRPGs of olden days like Baldur's Gate or InXile RPGs and JRPGs. CDPR never made those games and even Obsidian decided not to do this with Alpha Protocol. It's just not a very used feature in AAA gaming at large and I don't see any western developer outside of BioWare to do it too much in the future. might explain why Bioware is pretty much the only game some people will buy. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 19, 2017 18:39:05 GMT
I like both so who cares, but I was honestly hoping for a create-a-character for Cyberpunk. That aside why are people asking for "party"? That has never been a staple of CDPR's games. Their supporting characters like Zoltan or Dandelion are individuals. They have lots of screentime but they're not followers like in a CRPG and it has never been that way. The upside to a fixed protagonist is that their story will be laid out better. I hope they're interesting like I felt Geralt was in TW2 and less like TW3 where he was just "awesome" and "handsome" and "morally good" and "disliked by the public". He had a little bit of the BioWare Sue Protagonist feel at times and I'm a little worried about where CDPR is going to be honest. I want them to peak higher than TW3 than starting their BioWare-esque decline already. oh brother... Though you do raise a good point. Have to wonder why people are into Geralt so much when a wide swath of gaming seems to prefer power fantaisies when Geralt...isn't all that 'powerful' But as I said, I think TW3 even "empowered" Geralt too much. In TW1 and TW2 you really do feel like more of a nobody. People already dislike the few Witchers they come across but even so they're just all like "you freak" and "get out of my face, mutant!". In TW3 I feel like the NPCs are friendlier despite the few times we see some signs that the public dislikes Witchers and their kind. I really loved how infamous Geralt felt in Witcher 2 and to me it made him a more interesting and grey character. I felt like i was constantly helping people and they'd thank me for it in TW3 and I dislike that when I'm not supposed to be that sort of character. On the flipside being a spectre was super dope in ME1 and I didn't mind being an Inquisitor leader guy in DA:I but again, the execution sucks when it turns into a power-fantasy where it feels like the characters of the world like you for almost no reason. It's the Mary Sue effect. It's the same reason I couldn't like Rey in The Force Awakens. She's not awesome but the story keeps telling me she is. If you wanna convince the audience that something rocks, show them why and how, and the same thing for when you have a protagonist who's NOT supposed to be well liked. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 19, 2017 18:43:12 GMT
oh brother... Though you do raise a good point. Have to wonder why people are into Geralt so much when a wide swath of gaming seems to prefer power fantaisies when Geralt...isn't all that 'powerful' I don't think it has much to do with the "power fantasy" element.
In essence, most RPG's are "power fantasies", hell most video games are, and I don't think that people like Geralt so much, rather I think that Geralt became the game in a sense, and since the game is good...
fair enough. Probably why Shepard is also so beloved. Also explains Hawks and Ryders lack of popularity since they aren't power fantasies. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 19, 2017 18:44:01 GMT
oh brother... Though you do raise a good point. Have to wonder why people are into Geralt so much when a wide swath of gaming seems to prefer power fantaisies when Geralt...isn't all that 'powerful' I don't think it has much to do with the "power fantasy" element.
In essence, most RPG's are "power fantasies", hell most video games are, and I don't think that people like Geralt so much, rather I think that Geralt became the game in a sense, and since the game is good...
This is so true. People connect with their avatar whether it's Niko Bellic or Geralt or a character they love to use in LoL. That's where a lot of the fandom and like towards it comes from I agree. Heck, do you think we got this because Shepard was really a great character or because he was a memorable avatar and a reminder of the amazing experiences players had? I've honestly always been puzzled when people said to me "I just cared about Shepard and I wanted to know what happened to him" regarding ME3. To me I never even saw my Shepard as a real character in a weird sense. He was just me and I was using him to see the stories within the game's universe. I cared about basically everything else because to me Shepard was just the guy carrying me around. |
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 19, 2017 18:45:02 GMT
Would be nice if it was New Vegas getting all this praise instead, but I guess CDP marketing machine claimed it NV was good in comparison to the other Fallout games, certainly, but it wasn't a hit on the level of TW3.
It's not necessarily about marketing either, TW3 was simply the right game at the right time and many people liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 18:46:30 GMT
No, I play games to create my own hero, recruit a crew of cool characters that stick with me for the whole game, that I, the player, can chose to be foes, friends or lovers with my hero. And then send that hero on a cool adventure accompanied by his or her party. It's just how I like my games (shrug). Fair enough.
But if that's the only type of game you are willing to try (and not even isometric RPG's), it is inevitable that you will only have a relatively small amount of games to choose from.
I'd recommend that you try watching footage of other types of games, like TW3, or the various RPG's I mentioned. If you don't like what you see, well, you didn't lose anything, but maybe you'll decide that you might enjoy it despite your initial misgivings, you never know.
I've managed since 1998, and trying stuff outside this parameters -Blade and Soul and Revelation On-line- after SWTOR proved disapppointing. I do absolutely hope that Witcher 3 fandom and critical acclaim does not kill those few games that are still designed in the old fashioned way and we do not know about. If Andromeda is indeed the last one, and nobody will invest money into the losing proposition that proved unpopular in the long run, well then it's the last one and I will remember it fondly. |
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Its never too late. LOL.