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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 23:29:58 GMT
Yes...I said it was not immune to criticism. Sword fighting in high heels is stupid. It is stupid in book or game form. Look, I don't even really care (I'm playing Gravity Rush right now, and the protag of that is running around in heels as well), all I'm just saying that it is obviously there to look sexy. And? What's wrong with that? I love the fantasy settings, the art, the beautiful women with their ridiculous outfits and the hunky men with their bare sweaty chests. Give me Conan and Red Sonja anyday over this: Wearing heels while sword fighting doesn't really make any less sense than flinging fireballs or killing ghosts with a silver sword. Where do you see me say that it is a problem?
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2017 23:31:58 GMT
Where do you see me say that it is a problem? "Sword fighting in high heels is stupid. It is stupid in book or game form."
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 23:35:39 GMT
Where do you see me say that it is a problem? "Sword fighting in high heels is stupid. It is stupid in book or game form." It is stupid, doesn't mean it's bad. I've gone round and round with people who complain that Andromeda is not realistic enough, and Ryder, with her personality, would never be a leader of a squad, but sexy swordswomen jumping around in high heels is somehow totes cool! I'll make sure to mark that down in my journal of rhetorical paradoxes.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 5, 2017 23:42:01 GMT
No shit-talking Yen's alternative outfit here, please. It looks SO much better than the default one. Seriously, the black/white one looks butt-ugly. Don't care that its canon. It's hideous. The Triss one on the other hand... ugh. Especially hilarious since she's in Novigrad incognito. Her W2 outfit was AWESOME. She looked so much better before all around. And Ciri's outfit is great, love it. Somebody so powerful could still kill everyone with her face in the mud.
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2017 23:42:31 GMT
"Sword fighting in high heels is stupid. It is stupid in book or game form." It is stupid, doesn't mean it's bad. I've gone round and round with people who complain that Andromeda is not realistic enough, and Ryder, with her personality, would never be a leader of a squad, but sexy swordswomen jumping around in high heels is somehow totes cool! I'll make sure to mark that down in my journal of rhetorical paradoxes. /shrug Not specifically to you but just to the topic as a whole I don't mind a little sexiness being put into video games or movies or books or what have you. When you are dealing with a fantasy or sci-fi setting the whole thing is usually ridiculous to begin with. Both sci-fi and fantasy genres are big enough to include all kinds, if a creator wants to create a world where everyone walks around in these giant suits of armor that a real human wouldn't even be able to move in, that's fine. If a creator wants a world where women can wear high heels or bikini armors, I'm fine with that too. People that try to claim one is more stupid than the other considering everything else going on around them just strikes me as silly when I see it. "oh yes, lets make sure everyone is properly attired before I sling my magic missiles at them and stab at them with my +1 Sword of Truth".
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Post by smilesja on May 5, 2017 23:43:32 GMT
It is stupid, doesn't mean it's bad. I've gone round and round with people who complain that Andromeda is not realistic enough, and Ryder, with her personality, would never be a leader of a squad, but sexy swordswomen jumping around in high heels is somehow totes cool! I'll make sure to mark that down in my journal of rhetorical paradoxes. /shrug Not specifically to you but just to the topic as a whole I don't mind a little sexiness being put into video games or movies or books or what have you. When you are dealing with a fantasy or sci-fi setting the whole thing is usually ridiculous to begin with. Both sci-fi and fantasy genres are big enough to include all kinds, if a creator wants to create a world where everyone walks around in these giant suits of armor that a real human wouldn't even be able to move in, that's fine. If a creator wants a world where women can wear high heels or bikini armors, I'm fine with that too. Too bad Anita is not.
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2017 23:46:07 GMT
/shrug Not specifically to you but just to the topic as a whole I don't mind a little sexiness being put into video games or movies or books or what have you. When you are dealing with a fantasy or sci-fi setting the whole thing is usually ridiculous to begin with. Both sci-fi and fantasy genres are big enough to include all kinds, if a creator wants to create a world where everyone walks around in these giant suits of armor that a real human wouldn't even be able to move in, that's fine. If a creator wants a world where women can wear high heels or bikini armors, I'm fine with that too. Too bad Anita is not. Always someone out there that wants to ruin things for others.
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Post by smilesja on May 5, 2017 23:47:44 GMT
Too bad Anita is not. Always someone out there that wants to ruin things for others.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 5, 2017 23:47:44 GMT
It is stupid, doesn't mean it's bad. I've gone round and round with people who complain that Andromeda is not realistic enough, and Ryder, with her personality, would never be a leader of a squad, but sexy swordswomen jumping around in high heels is somehow totes cool! I'll make sure to mark that down in my journal of rhetorical paradoxes. /shrug Not specifically to you but just to the topic as a whole I don't mind a little sexiness being put into video games or movies or books or what have you. When you are dealing with a fantasy or sci-fi setting the whole thing is usually ridiculous to begin with. Both sci-fi and fantasy genres are big enough to include all kinds, if a creator wants to create a world where everyone walks around in these giant suits of armor that a real human wouldn't even be able to move in, that's fine. If a creator wants a world where women can wear high heels or bikini armors, I'm fine with that too. People that try to claim one is more stupid than the other considering everything else going on around them just strikes me as silly when I see it. "oh yes, lets make sure everyone is properly attired before I sling my magic missiles at them and stab at them with my +1 Sword of Truthiness". Poor kid. He definitely got to see a sword up close.
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Post by mugwump v1 on May 5, 2017 23:48:47 GMT
...and I'm just saying that Ciri is a character who wanted to look sexy Btw. after looking where this discussion started I can't even tell why did you mention that? Is good looking and strong female character an example of patriarchy or pandering to straight male audience? I can't see why female homosexual (or straight) audience wouldn't like that. It's usually men who bring up that you probably shouldn't wear high heels to battle, even in fantasy world Then she should be tripping over her feet all the time during fights, and face planting in the mud. The reason I brought it up was that it is a clear case of crafting a character's look to please a predominantly heterosexual male audience. Same goes for the alternate Yen/Triss outfits which max out the sex and cleavage (which I why I never used them in game, they just look silly). I don't really care myself, but carefull clearly does, and I am not so much of a fanataic as to dimiss every other person's concerns, and right to have them, because they are not my own. I'll will say to anyone who does not thinks that Ciri has high heeled boots to appear sexy to the player that I have a bridge outside Novigrad to sell you that, under which, is definitely not infested with trolls. Hmmm, so was Geralt made more attractive to gratify a female demographic? Not so easy, is it? Love your posts by the way!
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 23:49:12 GMT
No shit-talking Yen's alternative outfit here, please. It looks SO much better than the default one. Seriously, the black/white one looks butt-ugly. Don't care that its canon. It's hideous. The Triss one on the other hand... ugh. Especially hilarious since she's in Novigrad incognito. Her W2 outfit was AWESOME. She looked so much better before all around. And Ciri's outfit is great, love it. Somebody so powerful could still kill everyone with her face in the mud. That ugly rags must burn! up load photosSeriously though, Yenn and Ciri's default outfits are my favorites in the game (I downloaded mods of them to use in my last aborted Skyrim playthrough, but didn't end up using them since they looked silly in that world).. I just don't go in for tons of cleavage or stockinged legs. I do agree I think Triss' outfit in W2 was better. Only Ciri...no one else could get away with it! Well...maybe Hawke!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 5, 2017 23:50:36 GMT
Always someone out there that wants to ruin things for others. Thank you. Why is she even relevant?
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 23:51:43 GMT
It is stupid, doesn't mean it's bad. I've gone round and round with people who complain that Andromeda is not realistic enough, and Ryder, with her personality, would never be a leader of a squad, but sexy swordswomen jumping around in high heels is somehow totes cool! I'll make sure to mark that down in my journal of rhetorical paradoxes. /shrug Not specifically to you but just to the topic as a whole I don't mind a little sexiness being put into video games or movies or books or what have you. When you are dealing with a fantasy or sci-fi setting the whole thing is usually ridiculous to begin with. Both sci-fi and fantasy genres are big enough to include all kinds, if a creator wants to create a world where everyone walks around in these giant suits of armor that a real human wouldn't even be able to move in, that's fine. If a creator wants a world where women can wear high heels or bikini armors, I'm fine with that too. People that try to claim one is more stupid than the other considering everything else going on around them just strikes me as silly when I see it. "oh yes, lets make sure everyone is properly attired before I sling my magic missiles at them and stab at them with my +1 Sword of Truth". Then let us lay down our foils and meet in amity across the field of conflict, bonded over our shared love of stupidity in fantastical fiction.
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2017 23:52:41 GMT
Always someone out there that wants to ruin things for others. Honestly I feel bad for people like her living their whole lives with that much hate and misery inside them. Must be an awful way to look at the world.
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Post by smilesja on May 5, 2017 23:53:09 GMT
Thank you. Why is she even relevant? I don't think she is relevant right now?
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Post by erikson on May 5, 2017 23:53:11 GMT
Then she should be tripping over her feet all the time during fights, and face planting in the mud. The reason I brought it up was that it is a clear case of crafting a character's look to please a predominantly heterosexual male audience. Same goes for the alternate Yen/Triss outfits which max out the sex and cleavage (which I why I never used them in game, they just look silly). I don't really care myself, but carefull clearly does, and I am not so much of a fanataic as to dimiss every other person's concerns, and right to have them, because they are not my own. I'll will say to anyone who does not thinks that Ciri has high heeled boots to appear sexy to the player that I have a bridge outside Novigrad to sell you that, under which, is definitely not infested with trolls. Hmmm, so was Geralt made more attractive to gratify a female demographic? Not so easy, is it? Love your posts by the way! Making my point for me, thanks for the effort! I also think most guys would idealy like to play a handsome fellow who doesn't look like a bulldog had it's face mashed into a brick wall (but with how Grand Theft Auto sells who knows).
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Post by aglomeracja on May 5, 2017 23:56:08 GMT
...and I'm just saying that Ciri is a character who wanted to look sexy Btw. after looking where this discussion started I can't even tell why did you mention that? Is good looking and strong female character an example of patriarchy or pandering to straight male audience? I can't see why female homosexual (or straight) audience wouldn't like that. It's usually men who bring up that you probably shouldn't wear high heels to battle, even in fantasy world Then she should be tripping over her feet all the time during fights, and face planting in the mud. The reason I brought it up was that it is a clear case of crafting a character's look to please a predominantly heterosexual male audience. Same goes for the alternate Yen/Triss outfits which max out the sex and cleavage (which I why I never used them in game, they just look silly). I don't really care myself, but carefull clearly does, and I am not so much of a fanataic as to dimiss every other person's concerns, and right to have them, because they are not my own. I'll will say to anyone who does not thinks that Ciri has high heeled boots to appear sexy to the player that I have a bridge outside Novigrad to sell you that, under which, is definitely not infested with trolls. 1. I won't read the whole thread right now, but I'm quite sure that carefull didn't have any problem with how Ciri looks after reading the last page alone. 2. Do you think that homosexual female gamers wouldn't find Ciri attractive? 3. Do you think that heterosexual female gamers wouldn't like to roleplay as Ciri because of her looks\dressing? I don't know for sure and obviously everyone has their own preferences, but powerful, good-looking, bisexual female protagonist who wears whatever she wants and still can kick ass isn't what I would associate with patriarchy or even pandering to heterosexual male audience. And I mean it, even on CDPR forums mostly men were complaining about impractical shoes. That's actually something that men tend to do in my experience
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 5, 2017 23:56:47 GMT
Seriously though, Yenn and Ciri's default outfits are my favorites in the game (I downloaded mods of them to use in my last aborted Skyrim playthrough, but didn't end up using them since they looked silly in that world).. I just don't go in for tons of cleavage or stockinged legs. I do agree I think Triss' outfit in W2 was better. Only Ciri...no one else could get away with it! But... this makes no sense. You see more of her boobs in the default outfit. And more of Ciri's too than Yen's other outfit because she wears a scarf... Agreed about Skyrim. 99% of all modded outfits look totally out of place and I REALLY don't like that. Same for pretty much all hair mods.
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Post by decafhigh on May 5, 2017 23:57:56 GMT
Then let us lay down our foils and meet in amity across the field of conflict, bonded over our shared love of stupidity in fantastical fiction. I'll be the one dressed like... ...that.
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Post by mugwump v1 on May 5, 2017 23:59:28 GMT
Hmmm, so was Geralt made more attractive to gratify a female demographic? Not so easy, is it? Love your posts by the way! Making my point for me, thanks for the effort! I also think most guys would idealy like to play a handsome fellow who doesn't look like a bulldog had it's face mashed into a brick wall (but with how Grand Theft Auto sells who knows). To me, the point is moot. Besides, stating that men might like to play a handsome protagonist kind of undercuts the point you made about Ciri's visual design, no?
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Post by erikson on May 6, 2017 0:00:37 GMT
Then she should be tripping over her feet all the time during fights, and face planting in the mud. The reason I brought it up was that it is a clear case of crafting a character's look to please a predominantly heterosexual male audience. Same goes for the alternate Yen/Triss outfits which max out the sex and cleavage (which I why I never used them in game, they just look silly). I don't really care myself, but carefull clearly does, and I am not so much of a fanataic as to dimiss every other person's concerns, and right to have them, because they are not my own. I'll will say to anyone who does not thinks that Ciri has high heeled boots to appear sexy to the player that I have a bridge outside Novigrad to sell you that, under which, is definitely not infested with trolls. 1. I won't read the whole thread right now, but I'm quite sure that carefull didn't have any problem with how Ciri looks after reading the last page alone. 2. Do you think that homosexual female gamers wouldn't find Ciri attractive? 3. Do you think that heterosexual female gamers wouldn't like to roleplay as Ciri because of her looks\dressing? I don't know for sure and obviously everyone has their own preferences, but powerful, good-looking, bisexual female protagonist who wears whatever she wants and still can kick ass isn't what I would associate with patriarchy or even pandering to heterosexual male audience. And I mean it, even on CDPR forums mostly men were complaining about impractical shoes. That's actually something that men tend to do in my experience Where do you read any disagreement with any of this? All I am saying is that Ciri looks sexy because they want her to look sexy, not because of any hand waving about lore. Same reason Geralt doesn't look like he had his face mashed with a mallet this time around. Men are weird is why.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 0:03:11 GMT
No shit-talking Yen's alternative outfit here, please. It looks SO much better than the default one. Seriously, the black/white one looks butt-ugly. Don't care that its canon. It's hideous. The Triss one on the other hand... ugh. Especially hilarious since she's in Novigrad incognito. Her W2 outfit was AWESOME. She looked so much better before all around. And Ciri's outfit is great, love it. Somebody so powerful could still kill everyone with her face in the mud. I don't mind Ciri's outfit when she is on the run, but why don't they make something for her after Kaer Morhen? Like they got time to make her a Witcher armour set, seems like a wasted oppurtunity. Thank god that there is a mod that gives Triss her TW2 outfit. Always use it when i play TW3.
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Post by erikson on May 6, 2017 0:04:16 GMT
Seriously though, Yenn and Ciri's default outfits are my favorites in the game (I downloaded mods of them to use in my last aborted Skyrim playthrough, but didn't end up using them since they looked silly in that world).. I just don't go in for tons of cleavage or stockinged legs. I do agree I think Triss' outfit in W2 was better. Only Ciri...no one else could get away with it! But... this makes no sense. You see more of her boobs in the default outfit. And more of Ciri's too than Yen's other outfit because she wears a scarf... Agreed about Skyrim. 99% of all modded outfits look totally out of place and I REALLY don't like that. Same for pretty much all hair mods. I was criticising Triss' alt outfit for that. I''m saying I don't like the bottom, and I admit, I don't like the top either (revealed shoulders). I just prefer the clothes to cover as much as possible (that is not an aversion to sexy, just my aesthtic taste). I think she looks like a really cool horesewoman is all and I am sticking to it.
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Post by erikson on May 6, 2017 0:05:19 GMT
Making my point for me, thanks for the effort! I also think most guys would idealy like to play a handsome fellow who doesn't look like a bulldog had it's face mashed into a brick wall (but with how Grand Theft Auto sells who knows). To me, the point is moot. Besides, stating that men might like to play a handsome protagonist kind of undercuts the point you made about Ciri's visual design, no? How so? Men want to look good while looking at good looking women? I assume that is a fact.
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Post by Kappa Neko on May 6, 2017 0:07:25 GMT
I have nothing against sexy outfits in fiction. As long as these sexy women are interesting characters it's perfectly fine.
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