The Witcher 3 and Mass Effect Andromeda thread

That's a nice statistic. A few year ago it would have been far worse. Good thing, it's changing. And another good thing, there are more and more games which are interesting to play for boys and girls. And I guess because of it the percentage of females will grow. It's like it was a million years ago, when females finally started to conquer the driver seat of a car or a bike.
As for the pecentage in my family... we are four women and two men (and I considerl the girlfriend of my son as family because she is). One of us plays games like sims sometimes. Four of us play all kinds of RPGs and Action RPGs , four MMOs, three play shooters - fps and tactical (and one of them just fsp shooters. This person also hates "talking in a game or cut scenes" and skip it all the time). Who wants to make a statistic?

About the argument that 4% amount of females playing tactic shooters seem a bit too high. Might be, because of genre or maybe because this seems to be one of the last "bastions of true males". I remember my son and his girlfriend (both love and play shooters) often talk about that and how annoyed both were about "cool guys" bitching badly around because girls in a shooter... hmm, coincidence?

I remember my first game called Drakan which had a female PC. And I also remember that she was different than Lara (the "old" Lara) - and I don't talk about the game play. Since then I tried to find good games that also let me choose to play as female or even has a female protagonist. And there weren't much good games that had believable good female chars (and don't start a war again, I guess everyone has a different definition of believable and good. A game that has a half naked "badass girl" and that is because she has to be half naked because of "photosynthesis" is something I won't call either good or believable - just laughable). Besides BW and Bethesda just a few. Who of you remember NOLF? Vampire:The Masquerade - Bloodline. Venetica. And who of you remenber all that ridiculous stories about the development of "Remember me?"
But all in all the girls are on an good way in gaming, both as players and prodagonists. And if that is because of "SJW" or "feminism" or whatever you might call it - fine! I don't care. As long as I can play a believable char that isn't just a barbie doll or damsel in distress I don't care why. And as long I get my fair share of good stories that are also good from a "female point of view" - all the better!

BTW: Never heard something so funny than this "heels on riding boots because of preventing the food from slipping through the stirrup" story. There is a huge difference between "heels" and "high heels". My advice: just try it out...

Uhm, isn't anything open game, pardon the pun, when it comes to discussion around a game? 

If i get caught in a ME:A thread and i say "Just enjoy the game people" i will get flamed into Oblivion. 

I think Ciri's outfit looks ridiculous, and while i think its fine when she is on the run, the insistence on having her wear throughout the entire game is stupid. 

I made this statement in the context of people who all enjoyed the game, suddenly getting worked up over something as silly as Ciri's boots. I haven't read a single person disliking MEA based on an NPC outfit.
Were Miranda's high heels stupid in combat or Jack half naked in space? Yup. Did this have an influence on the quality of the game? Nope.
What people don't like about MEA has nothing to do with nitpicking an outfit. Nor did I mean to tell people who don't like W3 based on the setting or characters to just ignore that.

I will say that it annoys me on a personal level that these days people have a problem with the most minor stuff in games. Which is exactly why developers don't know what to put in their games anymore. Everything is sexist or otherwise offensive. I'm not referring to your comment. I mean in general.

Is your game socially friendly list.

Does your game show Transgender people? -check.

Does your game show a variety of different races? - check.

Does your game show equality between all men and women regardless of how someone defines themselves? - check.

Does your game allow the idea of a higher power as to not offend religious beliefs? - check.

Does your game show the female body in a normal form and not the ideal standard? - check.

Is your game light hearted enough as to avoid things like rape , abuse , torture and other forms of excessive treatments? - check.

If you answered no to any of these prepare to deal with people claiming your not setting a good standard and trying to change your game.

Have a good day.😊



Poor game developers the list tends to grow and grow and this isn't just MEA. Other games get hounded for these things alot.

I'll never grow tired of Bayonetta shows the female form wrong and shouldn't be allowed. Heck even the South Park game was heavily censored for us here in Australia because these types of images are not ok in the modern world.... 😂

Censorship of any form of art should be shunned!.😆





Edit : i actually forgot one myself....oops see i would of been in trouble for not mentioning is your game friendly regardless of sexual preference.😆

Hi all! Coming in super late to this convo, so apologies if this is all rehashed....

So I started playing TW3 again, at first just to compare to MEA and try to figure out if it was just nostalgia that made me think TW3 was a superior game. But honestly, I haven't even had time to think about it, because I have just been enjoying the shit out of it. Geralt's dry humor, the beautiful weather and terrain dynamics in the game, horseracing and fist fighting, brewing dedoctions and blade oils, uncovering secret treasures, crafting badass armor and weapons, talking to common folk and lords-n-ladies, and destroying shopkeepers at Gwent. Seriously...I feel like the game has so much fun stuff to do. It really is an amazing game, imo.

It's funny, because I have heard so many people bash TW3 as too grizzly and dark. I can see that a little, I guess. But personally, I find it hilarious, beautiful, and fun as hell. Geralt's little "uh-huh" that he does always makes me laugh. I have to say, he is probably my favorite character to play in any game (and I am a girl).

But I am sure all of that that has been discussed ad nauseaum in this thread.

Just wanted to chime in about the clothing. SO I was playing through the Keira storlyline and my boyfriend peeked at my computer and chuckled at her outfit. He said there was no way a woman living in a hut in the woods would let her chest be so exposed. I countered that she is a sorceress, and bugs don't bother her. He rolled his eyes, and told me to enjoy the magical boobies.

Then we got into this huge discussion about medieval clothing, and he brought up a cool point about how important clothing was to establish rank in medieval times. In Tudor England, for example, there were several laws passed in parliament about clothing (and who could wear what colors, fabrics, etc). The nobility left clothing in their wills because it was so important to them, and it was a punishable offense to mock the king's clothes (this was one of the charges levelled against Anne Boleyn, and was considered very serious).

And the nobility wore some ridiculous crap...even to do things like hunt and ride horses. See Queen Elizabeth, for example, who was a very established horsewoman.



I guess my rambling point is that Ciri's clothing, as well as the sorceresses in the game, may not look very functional...but they are prolly waaaaaay more functional than what nobility actually wore to ride and hunt in medieval times.

OK...off to enjoy more magical boobies!!!

Better than having games get cut or banned for *too graphic in any form*. Or shunned because its content is not ok. Creators of games shouldn't have to abide by what's correct when telling their own story. As i said this isn't about one game but games in general.

It happens to movies and tv shows as well so it's nothing really new. But it's something we should definitely try to convince others to ease up on. From equality to things like showing torture or maybe just a good rape scene. Appreciate the story they are trying to tell.

Even now i will cop it for talking about it.

Just remember that people destroyed them for Tomb Raider debacle. Even though there was no real rape. It was just trying to stay true to their story they were telling.
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We need to change how people see these things. That maybe one day we can have truly remarkable stories told of all sides without interferences.

Anyway waaasy off topic now back to what ever this crazy ass thread has become.

I disagree. ME2 is where they first introduced the asinine breather masks, which looked stupid then and look stupid now.  Shepard wore full armor, but they didn't bother to provide actual armor and helmets for the rest of the squad (though some of them had base outfits that were armor).  Ryder (and other squaddies) wear full armor in hazardous environments (while SAM constantly chirps environmental warnings at them) and there's Peebee in clothing with exposed skin and that stupid breather mask. It's immersion breaking.

When developers do this, they're putting their ideas of what's "sexy" and appealing over any sense of verisimilitude and logic in the world they're presenting. Far too often sexy just means revealing, and there are plenty of ways to make clothing sexy / attractive without making them so revealing that they break world lore.

ETA: ME2 was the first time I ever bought alternate appearance packs for a game.  They helped to make the game make a little more sense.

It's funny seeing the high heel debate come up here when it went on for pages on the CDPR forum.  The real reason is simple: artistic license. The shoes may be riding shoes but they're not the least bit practical for a sword fighter. I personally think they're a bit silly and they should have also made Ciri a Witcher outfit when she got to Kher Morhen. It's like Triss' hair. People bitched in every game it was too red, and CDPR just made it redder and redder till she looks like a flame head in TW3. 

Yeah well, I think artistic license should be tempered by some modicum of realism in works that want to be taken seriously. In the case of the footwear, I mainly object because it's so unnecessary. Nobody looks any less beautiful for having semi-realistic heels. Hair isn't so much of a problem because (1) it can be dyed, (2) it doesn't affect functionality - I'd only complain if a warrior had very long open hair in melee combat.   

Bah, screw all you prudes revolting at the audacity of a female video game character wearing high heels, and how dare she leave those elbows uncovered!

I'm off to play a round of Lollipop Chainsaw while I thumb my nose at your sense of realism!

So a woman in high heels or not wearing a full suit of heavy plated armor pull you out of your suspension of disbelief but shooting fire from your hands, battling werewolves with a sword made of silver, and being a mutated human with fantastical Witcher abilities don't?

I dunno, if I can suspend my disbelief to the point I am fully engrossed in slaying Wyverns and strigas while coating myself in magical exploding shields and drinking potions to instantly heal all my injures after being slashed repeatedly with a sword I don't see how something as innocuous as a pair of heeled boots or wearing leather armor is suddenly going to be "ZOMG that is just going too far!!!!".

I suppose everyone is different but that seems silly to the point I find it hard to believe that immersion is the real complaint here.