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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 20, 2017 22:34:59 GMT
And yet here you are posting with a poor attitude that tries to dismiss anyone that like Bioware more than your precious Witcher.... on a Bioware based forum. You are the one with the problem. I mean I was a BioWare fan long before I was a Witcher one anyways the thread is about directly comparing the two....so.... Me too, but it doesn't matter now, doesn't it ? Now you are not allowed to like both. If you like CDPR, automatically you have to dislike BioWare - and say something bad about Andromeda... OMG. Some people really should go out from time to time.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:37:52 GMT
I mean I was a BioWare fan long before I was a Witcher one anyways the thread is about directly comparing the two....so.... After other topics that already deal with it or have devolved into Witcher circle jerks. It's like you Witcher fans are scared more people are going to realise how mediocre the franchise is and must continually bash Bioware in their own forums and now unofficial forums in order to maintain the relevancy of what you know is simply a fad game. I mean we don't need to, the reception to the different series does all the talking necessary. TW3 has garnered near universal acclaim and more awards than you can think up to give it. MEA gets memes made out of its shitty animations, and every review out there trying to convince us that the game isn't an absolute trainwreck, seriously look at different reviews and see how many say "Its not a terrible game" or some variation
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 20, 2017 22:39:52 GMT
After other topics that already deal with it or have devolved into Witcher circle jerks. It's like you Witcher fans are scared more people are going to realise how mediocre the franchise is and must continually bash Bioware in their own forums and now unofficial forums in order to maintain the relevancy of what you know is simply a fad game. I mean we don't need to, the reception to the different series does all the talking necessary. TW3 has garnered near universal acclaim and more awards than you can think up to give it. MEA gets memes made out of its shitty animations, and every review out there trying to convince us that the game isn't an absolute trainwreck, seriously look at different reviews and see how many say "Its not a terrible game" or some variation So you need constant validation of your opinion... with more opinions? Good for you. I can think for myself and don't flock to popular things to feel good about my opinion.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 20, 2017 22:43:40 GMT
Seriously ? This is a topic about Witcher 3 and Andromeda, and most comments i can see are coming from the people who don't like Witcher 3. What's the point ? You don't like it, go to different topic then. They're crusading against the imagetive monster named TW3!
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 22:44:28 GMT
I mean we don't need to, the reception to the different series does all the talking necessary. TW3 has garnered near universal acclaim and more awards than you can think up to give it. MEA gets memes made out of its shitty animations, and every review out there trying to convince us that the game isn't an absolute trainwreck, seriously look at different reviews and see how many say "Its not a terrible game" or some variation So you need constant validation of your opinion... with more opinions? Good for you. I can think for myself and don't flock to popular things to feel good about my opinion. I don't need the validation, its just nice to see a milestone in gaming recognized for what it is. You're trying oh so hard to convince us that TW3 is a fad, just accept that its not. It made booku bucks and is ranked somewhere near the second coming. You can disagree with its overall quality, but you can't really deny that its had an impact. An impact that even BiOWare has ackowledged as an inspiration. I am not going to say there's nothing to criticize in TW3, you just don't seem to get that.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 20, 2017 22:48:58 GMT
Seriously ? This is a topic about Witcher 3 and Andromeda, and most comments i can see are coming from the people who don't like Witcher 3. What's the point ? You don't like it, go to different topic then. They're crusading against the imagetive monster named TW3! Looks like. I was hoping we could discuss things like civilized people, but if you will only mention that you like W3 and you don't wanna agree that this is the worst and the most laughable game ever done... well, you see yourself. 270+ awards means nothing, they know better. Sometimes i miss old BSN, somehow it was so much easier to talk with other people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 22:58:44 GMT
I'am really shocked with some opinions in here. W3 is ONE THE BEST games i ever played in my life /since 1994/, and Hearts of Stone DLC is definitely THE BEST DLC i've ever played, so it's really hard for me to even understand so much hatred for the Witcher series. I love trilogy, i spend houndred of hours with Shep, definitely my top-3 ever, and i have a lot of respect for other RPG's too - such a shame that some people don't have same respect for Witcher series. What's the problem ? That some small, independent studio from Poland could do something better than a big, rich giants like BioWare-EA ? The problem is not that CDPR is sucesful. It is not a small studio either. The problem is that folks are implying that BioWare should emulate CDPR. They cannot do that without taking resorcues away from what was always at the heart of BioWare games, because, no, they are not infinitely rich, and have to stick to budgets. Some of us like about BioWare games precisely that core, and would not want that to go in favour of what made the Wtcher series a cultural phenomenon. No matter how well it is rated, it is not something I want to play, while Andromeda is exactly what I like as a video-game. So, no, it is not about begrudging CDRP it's success, it is about expressing the liking for what BioWare is doing, and reverently hoping they will keep sticking to their guns, and do no cave in under the pressure to deliver fixed protagonist, solo games with perfect animations, grim reality setting and hyper-realistic art. I know you all love the Witcher, but I love Andromeda, and want more games like it. It was an incredibly fun play through, and the second one is even better. I do not want sudden changes in direction towards the W3 style. I want BioWare to remain BioWare I know and loved for 20 years.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 20, 2017 23:05:11 GMT
Did i /or anyone in here/ ever say that Andromeda should become another Witcher ?????????? I love Dragon Age series for being Dragon Age, Mass Effect for being Mass Effect, and Witcher for being Witcher ! Completely different games !
But Andromeda has problems, same like DAI and W3 - you have to agree with that, no matter how much you love it. And sorry mate, but BioWare TODAY is not the same BioWare as it was even 3-4 years ago. They lost too many good people.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 20, 2017 23:10:55 GMT
Did i /or anyone in here/ ever say that Andromeda should become another Witcher ?????????? I love Dragon Age series for being Dragon Age, Mass Effect for being Mass Effect, and Witcher for being Witcher ! Completely different games ! But Andromeda has problems, same like DAI and W3 - you have to agree with that, no matter how much you love it. And sorry mate, but BioWare TODAY is not the same BioWare as it was even 3-4 years ago. They lost too many good people. Told you so, reading is too much for these keyboard crusaders
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 23:19:32 GMT
Did i /or anyone in here/ ever say that Andromeda should become another Witcher ?????????? I love Dragon Age series for being Dragon Age, Mass Effect for being Mass Effect, and Witcher for being Witcher ! Completely different games ! But Andromeda has problems, same like DAI and W3 - you have to agree with that, no matter how much you love it. And sorry mate, but BioWare TODAY is not the same BioWare as it was even 3-4 years ago. They lost too many good people. I do not see problems with Andromeda save for a couple cosmetic issues. BioWare might have replaced people, but Andromeda is just as fun to play as Jade Empire or Baldur's Gate was, and that what matters to me. I was worried after Inquisition, but between ME3 and Andromeda, I love what I see. The problems you have mentioned in your post - that side-quests did not include really real life gritty themes - well, I like it that way. I don't mind some dark themes, but I do not need a game with dark setting, I like the happier mood of BioWare games. You also have to understand that expanded side quests in Witcher that you like, come at the expense of having a fixed protagonist and absence of the squad and the team. I do not want to lost that, and the two companies just cut different corners to fit into their budgetary constraints. I'd rather side quests are lighter than no party, no cc. Also, I was searching CDPR forums, and I saw the huge shift in the attitude of their fandom in respect to cc. In 2013, prior to the W3 release, everyone was nodding how we do need cc. But in 2016, people started to agree that a fixed guy is the way to go, because otherwise you won't have good animations. That's the worst thing that I saw come out of the W3. In the 4 year old article, the developer described Cyberpunk as anti-Bladerunner, with some grit, but plenty of hope and rockenroll. Fast forward to list Witcher release? The article on March 22, 2017 revels in how it's going to be bigger than Witcher, darker than Witcher, and how the protagonist is going to be just "he" while the earlier article carefully added (or her). That's CDPR. But if Bio executives follows suit - and why would not they with the sort of reception the game is getting - there will be no one left doing the party based, fun, customized protagonist games any longer. It's all gonna be dark angst with fixed lead and no party. Cause it sells and everyone loves it...
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Post by Mihura on Apr 20, 2017 23:25:40 GMT
I actually think it is unfair to compare an actual RPG, with an action base game with only one protagonist, that contains side RPG elements. If anything they should compare the next Cyberpunk with whatever Bioware comes up in the RPG field.
PCgamer is in love with CDPR, so this is kinda normal. Not saying isnt great because I do love their Geralt headlines.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 20, 2017 23:27:33 GMT
Sorry mate, but if you don't see any problems with Andromeda except "cosmetic issues", then it's really impossible for me to continue this discussion, as in my opinion Andromeda has a lot, really A LOT of problems, and if BioWare will not do anything about it, Andromeda will be definitely that last title from that studio i buyed.
But if you enjoy Andromeda as it is, i can only wish you more fun during another playthrough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 23:29:33 GMT
Sorry mate, but if you don't see any problems with Andromeda except "cosmetic issues", then it's really impossible for me to continue this discussion, as in my opinion Andromeda has a lot, really A LOT of problems, and if BioWare will not do anything about it, Andromeda will be definitely that last title from that studio i buyed. But if you enjoy Andromeda as it is, i can only wish you more fun during another playthrough. Thank you. Just about finish cooking supper and go play... finally. Aww...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 0:00:28 GMT
Then do educate me, because you've played it and really enjoyed it. Was it well-animated, that whole famous and gritty wife-beating that elevates the Witcher above all other RPGs? what wife beating? The off-screen stuff mentioned by the Bloody Baron? In a realistic and harrowing depiction of alcoholism and dysfunction between family members whom are equally loathsome? But I get it, you aren't interested in an accurate portrayal ...that was also written by a female writer who drew from her own life experiences with alcoholism and domestic violence. The Baron, his family, and the quests associated with them were the best written part of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 0:39:43 GMT
what wife beating? The off-screen stuff mentioned by the Bloody Baron? In a realistic and harrowing depiction of alcoholism and dysfunction between family members whom are equally loathsome? But I get it, you aren't interested in an accurate portrayal ...that was also written by a female writer who drew from her own life experiences with alcoholism and domestic violence. The Baron, his family, and the quests associated with them were the best written part of the game. I am sorry for what she had to endure. I hope she is alright. But what I want from a video-game is a thrilling adventure and fun. I do not think i would like stories about alcoholism, domestic abuse and violence as sidequests, even if they are not graphic. If you folks like that, it is obviously a selling point for you, because it's just as horrible, desperate and hopeless as things are in reality. But nor for me, so I would prefer BioWARE did not take this particular feature as a model for their future games. I really like the lighter tone of Andromeda. I don't want the depressing stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 0:59:41 GMT
...that was also written by a female writer who drew from her own life experiences with alcoholism and domestic violence. The Baron, his family, and the quests associated with them were the best written part of the game. I am sorry for what she had to endure. I hope she is alright. But what I want from a video-game is a thrilling adventure and fun. I do not think i would like stories about alcoholism, domestic abuse and violence as sidequests, even if they are not graphic. If you folks like that, it is obviously a selling point for you, because it's just as horrible, desperate and hopeless as things are in reality. But nor for me, so I would prefer BioWARE did not take this particular feature as a model for their future games. I really like the lighter tone of Andromeda. I don't want the depressing stuff. That's understandable. I think as far as tone goes (light versus gritty) there's no right or wrong, it just boils down to personal preferences. I'm sad to see you go Domi. I'm quoting this post in the off chance you later return or continue to lurk. Hopefully the former!
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 2:17:38 GMT
I am sorry for what she had to endure. I hope she is alright. But what I want from a video-game is a thrilling adventure and fun. I do not think i would like stories about alcoholism, domestic abuse and violence as sidequests, even if they are not graphic. If you folks like that, it is obviously a selling point for you, because it's just as horrible, desperate and hopeless as things are in reality. But nor for me, so I would prefer BioWARE did not take this particular feature as a model for their future games. I really like the lighter tone of Andromeda. I don't want the depressing stuff. That's understandable. I think as far as tone goes (light versus gritty) there's no right or wrong, it just boils down to personal preferences. I'm sad to see you go Domi. I'm quoting this post in the off chance you later return or continue to lurk. Hopefully the former! One of the things I tend to like about BW (as opposed to 'gritty' titles like TW) is the lighter atmosphere. Even the MET was a more optimistic game by far. Sure there are struggles and challenges but the story is about overcoming that (at least up till the last 5 minutes of the OT) and doesn't need to delve into truly grim topics. If I want that I'll go to a family reunion, the real world is bad enough. I personally don't want that in my entertainment escapes.
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Post by edisnooM on Apr 21, 2017 2:17:39 GMT
Just a quick comment about the Bloody Baron quest, as I played through and discovered what he had done I thought he was a loathsome human being and really wanted to be able to beat the tar out of him. And then they showed him, broken and beaten, crying over his dead child, and I genuinely pitied him. Probably one of the most evocative plotlines I've encountered in recent memory.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 21, 2017 2:22:01 GMT
Just a quick comment about the Bloody Baron quest, as I played through and discovered what he had done I thought he was a loathsome human being and really wanted to be able to beat the tar out of him. And then they showed him, broken and beaten, crying over his dead child, and I genuinely pitied him. Probably one of the most evocative plotlines I've encountered in recent memory. I was sad when they did not give me an option to just kill him, once he told everything Geralt needed to find Ciri.
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That's understandable. I think as far as tone goes (light versus gritty) there's no right or wrong, it just boils down to personal preferences. I'm sad to see you go Domi. I'm quoting this post in the off chance you later return or continue to lurk. Hopefully the former! Another positive soul crushed by the constant negativity of these boards, le sigh. One of the things I tend to like about BW (as opposed to 'gritty' titles like TW) is the lighter atmosphere. Even the MET was a more optimistic game by far. Sure there are struggles and challenges but the story is about overcoming that (at least up till the last 5 minutes of the OT) and doesn't need to delve into truly grim topics. If I want that I'll go to a family reunion, the real world is bad enough. I personally don't want that in my entertainment escapes. I think Bioware games, even the darker ones are better at displaying hope aswell, and that there is good in the world worth fighting for. Its an old cliche in everything, and goes back to Tolkien in fantasy, but i much prefer it over a constant reminder that life is unfair, which is a vibe The Witcher series got going for it. Mass Effect 3 however has to be the most depressing game i've ever played. For every single moment of hope, there is this crushing darkness being forced on Shepard at every turn.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 2:45:26 GMT
That's understandable. I think as far as tone goes (light versus gritty) there's no right or wrong, it just boils down to personal preferences. I'm sad to see you go Domi. I'm quoting this post in the off chance you later return or continue to lurk. Hopefully the former! Another positive soul crushed by the constant negativity of these boards, le sigh. Yep, take care Domi. Hope to see you around again sometime. One of the things I tend to like about BW (as opposed to 'gritty' titles like TW) is the lighter atmosphere. Even the MET was a more optimistic game by far. Sure there are struggles and challenges but the story is about overcoming that (at least up till the last 5 minutes of the OT) and doesn't need to delve into truly grim topics. If I want that I'll go to a family reunion, the real world is bad enough. I personally don't want that in my entertainment escapes. I think Bioware games, even the darker ones are better at displaying hope aswell, and that there is good in the world worth fighting for. Its an old cliche in everything, and goes back to Tolkien in fantasy, but i much prefer it over a constant reminder that life is unfair, which is a vibe The Witcher series got going for it. Mass Effect 3 however has to be the most depressing game i've ever played. For every single moment of hope, there is this crushing darkness being forced on Shepard at every turn. So glad I never played ME3 till years after release and I could play it first time through with MEHEM.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 21, 2017 2:52:56 GMT
That's understandable. I think as far as tone goes (light versus gritty) there's no right or wrong, it just boils down to personal preferences. I'm sad to see you go Domi. I'm quoting this post in the off chance you later return or continue to lurk. Hopefully the former! Another positive soul crushed by the constant negativity of these boards, le sigh. One of the things I tend to like about BW (as opposed to 'gritty' titles like TW) is the lighter atmosphere. Even the MET was a more optimistic game by far. Sure there are struggles and challenges but the story is about overcoming that (at least up till the last 5 minutes of the OT) and doesn't need to delve into truly grim topics. If I want that I'll go to a family reunion, the real world is bad enough. I personally don't want that in my entertainment escapes. I think Bioware games, even the darker ones are better at displaying hope aswell, and that there is good in the world worth fighting for. Its an old cliche in everything, and goes back to Tolkien in fantasy, but i much prefer it over a constant reminder that life is unfair, which is a vibe The Witcher series got going for it. Mass Effect 3 however has to be the most depressing game i've ever played. For every single moment of hope, there is this crushing darkness being forced on Shepard at every turn. I can guarentee that the reason andromeda as optimistic in tone is thay very reason right there. And that tonal shift has been one that was jarring.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 21, 2017 2:54:48 GMT
I think Bioware games, even the darker ones are better at displaying hope aswell, and that there is good in the world worth fighting for. Its an old cliche in everything, and goes back to Tolkien in fantasy, but i much prefer it over a constant reminder that life is unfair, which is a vibe The Witcher series got going for it. Mass Effect 3 however has to be the most depressing game i've ever played. For every single moment of hope, there is this crushing darkness being forced on Shepard at every turn. Which is darker and more cruel? 1. TW3 where you are reminded of the cruelty of life at every turn but in the end, despite all odds, you maybe able to enjoy a nice retirement with love ones 2. Mass Effect OT where you are fed hope after hope after hope only to rip it from you at the very last moment, emptying your soul leaving you shattered in eternal darkness. I say Bioware wins hands down
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 2:57:38 GMT
Gave you a thumbs up just for the Star Child Troll face. In the end that's really what it was...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 2:58:18 GMT
Which is darker and more cruel? 1. TW3 where you are reminded of the cruelty of life at every turn but in the end, despite all odds, you maybe able to enjoy a nice retirement with love ones 2. Mass Effect OT where you are fed hope after hope after hope only to rip it from you at the very last moment, emptying your soul leaving you shattered in eternal darkness. I say Bioware wins hands down Isn't that what i just said in regards to Mass Effect 3? *shrug* Also Yennefer? BOOOOOOO
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