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Post by only1biggs on Sept 9, 2016 21:54:43 GMT
Sirian was considered some sort of god at the time. I know now that he was an early tinkerer, much like FTFTL and Link. No fucks given. I have never been elite, just good, and always a team player. Oh dear. No, no and contradiction followed by, "elite".
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Post by Sihmm on Sept 10, 2016 15:28:47 GMT
Spent a lot of time experimenting and have finally finished my new build,. It's p. cool. N7 Shadow Melee Platinum buildTacticool cloak is used to get in, Shadow Strike, get out. Electric Slash is used to cloak cancel, as well as to get opportunistic damage/kills/fire explosions/tech bursts off anything that you don't want to Shadow Strike right now but can't shoot. Great paired with the Geth Scanner. Often will SS, run around a corner then cloak cancel into an ES that sets off a fire/tech explosion and gets an extra kill or two. Shadow Strike is damage/DoT/shield restore. The reason for taking 6b is that there's simply no benefit to the extra damage, whereas with 6b it can function as an emergency (if risky) shield restore. Passive is Capacity because after some testing I really find the extra cooldown reduction more useful than 7.5% extra weapon damage (which I don't even notice). 5a because there's nowhere else to put the points. 6 skipped because again, I don't notice 10% extra weapon damage, and it means I can put the points into... Sword Mastery: Melee on 4, Shields and Speed on 5 - this does make a big difference to your survivability and downtime - and finally 6a, electric sword. This is because with electric sword and a pistol stunner the Shadow can one-shot any normal mook on Platinum without worrying about the Acolyte shot, which synergises really nicely with the Shield Drain on SS 6b. Also means that on many waves you can flit about in stealth double Shadow Striking and having your shields topped up every time, which is a nice change of pace. Normal playstyle on Platinum is to charge the Acolyte and look for targets of opportunity. Phantoms can be one-shotted provided the Acolyte hits first. Ideally you time the Acolyte shot so they dodge *before* you strike, but if this isn't possible then the Incendiary DoT + SS DoT often finishes them. If not hopefully you can cloak-cancel into an ES from behind a wall that'll finish them off. Not as simple as you'd like, but Phantoms rarely are. If you see a mook you can SS it Acolyte or not. Pyros can be treated like Phantoms. For bosses and stuff with armor it's Dragoons are complicated. If you get it alone, you can Acolyte -> SS as they charge -> melee to finish off without swapping. If not, best strategy is to plink away with the hurricane and get cloaked ESes in whenever possible. The only reason they're an issue is because it's rare, when soloing Plat, to get just one Dragoon at once. Sometimes it's rare when with a team too Ravagers and Brutes are really easy, just position yourself and use the Hurricane. Ravagers go down in one clip, Brutes in two. Other bosses are just regular RHA while you use your guns to kill them. In fact, waves with Ravagers and Brutes are some of the easiest with this build, because your damage with the Hurricane is so good that you can kill them faster and easier than almost anything else on Platinum. Wave 7 Plat against Cerberus is bonkers. You have all these enemies that can charge you at Ludicrous Speed so separating them out to kill is hard, and if you make a mistake you've got Phantoms, Dragoons and Geth Bombers to stunlock you while the Pyros /afk and hit their flamer key. By contrast wave 4 is hilarious as basically nothing is a threat to you. Tried a solo Giant/Cerberus/Platinum this morning but failed on wave 8 owing to a really bad mistake on wave 3 that cost me a bunch of gels and some overly aggressive play on wave 7 against the Pyro/Dragoon/Phantom swarms. But overall it was actually pretty easy. Took me just under 40 minutes to get to near the end of wave 8, which is quite respectable given the Shadow's rep for low DPS. I've tried a lot of variations on the above spec on the same solo, and this one is definitely the most effective. It's got just the right breakpoints for survivability, SS killing power and ranged DPS to be useful and interesting as well as fun. Edit: oh right, Equipment. Incendiary ammo is great for DPS against anything with armor as well as fire explosions. It also adds some fire DPS and potential panic to anything you hit with your Acolyte before SSing. SMG rail amp because you don't need any extra melee damage. Geth scanner because it's amazeballs for this class and build, helping you plan your attacks, retreats and ESes as well. Other slot is whatever you please. Cyclonic and Adrenaline both add lots of survivability. Power Amp won't quite get you to the point where you can one-shot a Phantom without the Acolyte, but if you used a Wraith with an omni-blade it would. Shield regen thingy would also work well.
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Post by Sihmm on Sept 10, 2016 21:04:28 GMT
Better this time. No medigels until wave 8. Then all the medigels, but still extracted: On the plus side, you don't have to be able to aim to play her melee spec.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Sept 10, 2016 21:09:15 GMT
^ Good job! Did you have fun?
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Post by Sihmm on Sept 10, 2016 21:19:19 GMT
^ Good job! Did you have fun? Well... mostly, yes. Because it's such a different playstyle - especially unique among the infiltrators - I think there's something really appealing about it, and I'm willing to forgive a lot of the game's faults which specifically harm the Shadow. What's less fun is the way the game mechanics on a solo make her tools so much less effective. Her cloak was still her most useful survival tool, but being swarmed by Dragoons is just - ugh. I hate dragoons, basically. I hate dragoons on any solo, though. Things I could get away with in a group game, there's just no tolerance for solo. What I didn't enjoy was having to slow down, slow down, slow down as the game went on, to be more careful so that I didn't have a stupid death in a bad situation and end up failing the solo. That's also an issue with any solo, but the Shadow is - as you've so thoroughly explained - especially finicky to solo with, and gargantuan, medgel-exhausting mistakes are far easier to make. (Edit: plus I derived great satisfaction from toying with the build to the point that it worked so well, as well as from eliminating the main previous source of tedium when I soloed with her - the low boss kill speed.) Very glad I did it, proved to myself it can be done, managed to enjoy about 80% of it Thanks for asking!
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Sept 10, 2016 21:40:55 GMT
^ Good job! Did you have fun? Well... mostly, yes. Because it's such a different playstyle - especially unique among the infiltrators - I think there's something really appealing about it, and I'm willing to forgive a lot of the game's faults which specifically harm the Shadow. What's less fun is the way the game mechanics on a solo make her tools so much less effective. Her cloak was still her most useful survival tool, but being swarmed by Dragoons is just - ugh. I hate dragoons, basically. I hate dragoons on any solo, though. Things I could get away with in a group game, there's just no tolerance for solo. What I didn't enjoy was having to slow down, slow down, slow down as the game went on, to be more careful so that I didn't have a stupid death in a bad situation and end up failing the solo. That's also an issue with any solo, but the Shadow is - as you've so thoroughly explained - especially finicky to solo with, and gargantuan, medgel-exhausting mistakes are far easier to make. (Edit: plus I derived great satisfaction from toying with the build to the point that it worked so well, as well as from eliminating the main previous source of tedium when I soloed with her - the low boss kill speed.) Very glad I did it, proved to myself it can be done, managed to enjoy about 80% of it Thanks for asking! That summed it up nicely. But really, nice job, can't stress that enough. Platinum solo with mostly SS is nothing to scoff at.
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Post by K_O_513 on Sept 10, 2016 21:48:40 GMT
i've always used full melee shadow on gold and never have any of those problems. granted, 99.9% of my games are PUGs so i can't really say that me getting consistently getting 1st place with her is especially impressive but...it is what it is i guess.
1. firstly, i don't care about weapon damage as a shadow. i rarely ever fire my gun. shadow strike does just fine.
2. i don't care about shields because her shields are shitty as it is and she only gets 1 health/shields bonus in the fitness tree. better to just take the extra melee damage imo. a tanky shadow just doesn't exist.
3. to add to that point, i go full damage on shadow strike. i've never been in a position where the extra 500 or so shields would have made a difference on gold. either way, you're relying on shieldgate, which doesn't take into effect how high your shields are. your best defense as a shadow is just to not get hit and kill things before they kill you
4. also, i go duration on my cloak and i kill gold phantoms in 1 shadow strike + dot. brutes take 1 shadow strike and a heavy melee. scions take about 2. everything else (excluding bosses) gets one-shotted
overall, yes cloak is buggy as hell as well as shadow strike but you can definitely run full melee and do work on gold. platinum, not so much because it's just a damage contest but then again, only a handful of things are platinum viable anyway.
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Post by Sihmm on Sept 11, 2016 8:51:53 GMT
i've always used full melee shadow on gold and never have any of those problems. granted, 99.9% of my games are PUGs so i can't really say that me getting consistently getting 1st place with her is especially impressive but...it is what it is i guess. 1. firstly, i don't care about weapon damage as a shadow. i rarely ever fire my gun. shadow strike does just fine. 2. i don't care about shields because her shields are shitty as it is and she only gets 1 health/shields bonus in the fitness tree. better to just take the extra melee damage imo. a tanky shadow just doesn't exist. 3. to add to that point, i go full damage on shadow strike. i've never been in a position where the extra 500 or so shields would have made a difference on gold. either way, you're relying on shieldgate, which doesn't take into effect how high your shields are. your best defense as a shadow is just to not get hit and kill things before they kill you 4. also, i go duration on my cloak and i kill gold phantoms in 1 shadow strike + dot. brutes take 1 shadow strike and a heavy melee. scions take about 2. everything else (excluding bosses) gets one-shotted overall, yes cloak is buggy as hell as well as shadow strike but you can definitely run full melee and do work on gold. platinum, not so much because it's just a damage contest but then again, only a handful of things are platinum viable anyway. Hey, any chance you could link to your build, loadout and equipment? thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 13:27:12 GMT
overall, yes cloak is buggy as hell as well as shadow strike but you can definitely run full melee and do work on gold. platinum, not so much because it's just a damage contest but then again, only a handful of things are platinum viable anyway. i disagree, my build is plat viable unless u're playing on a crappy host. I skip ES because i hate that power. Wraith is light enough to get 2 shadowstrikes in 1 cloak and does excellent damage against bosses.
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Post by K_O_513 on Sept 11, 2016 15:43:22 GMT
i've always used full melee shadow on gold and never have any of those problems. granted, 99.9% of my games are PUGs so i can't really say that me getting consistently getting 1st place with her is especially impressive but...it is what it is i guess. 1. firstly, i don't care about weapon damage as a shadow. i rarely ever fire my gun. shadow strike does just fine. 2. i don't care about shields because her shields are shitty as it is and she only gets 1 health/shields bonus in the fitness tree. better to just take the extra melee damage imo. a tanky shadow just doesn't exist. 3. to add to that point, i go full damage on shadow strike. i've never been in a position where the extra 500 or so shields would have made a difference on gold. either way, you're relying on shieldgate, which doesn't take into effect how high your shields are. your best defense as a shadow is just to not get hit and kill things before they kill you 4. also, i go duration on my cloak and i kill gold phantoms in 1 shadow strike + dot. brutes take 1 shadow strike and a heavy melee. scions take about 2. everything else (excluding bosses) gets one-shotted overall, yes cloak is buggy as hell as well as shadow strike but you can definitely run full melee and do work on gold. platinum, not so much because it's just a damage contest but then again, only a handful of things are platinum viable anyway. Hey, any chance you could link to your build, loadout and equipment? thanks! sure. here it isi don't know if this is the most optimal in terms of numbers but it works for me. i've used this against every faction and done well with it.
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Post by K_O_513 on Sept 11, 2016 15:46:56 GMT
overall, yes cloak is buggy as hell as well as shadow strike but you can definitely run full melee and do work on gold. platinum, not so much because it's just a damage contest but then again, only a handful of things are platinum viable anyway. i disagree, my build is plat viable unless u're playing on a crappy host. I skip ES because i hate that power. Wraith is light enough to get 2 shadowstrikes in 1 cloak and does excellent damage against bosses. fair enough. i used to run the raider on my shadow actually. i have ES but i rarely use it. it's really just there to detonate the occasional explosion on an atlas or to cancel cloak. i just had points left that i didn't put it into my passive because like i said, i never use my gun. i have this idea that when i play a melee character i have to solely use melee lol
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 12, 2016 12:22:22 GMT
^ Good job! Did you have fun? ... What I didn't enjoy was having to slow down, slow down, slow down as the game went on, to be more careful so that I didn't have a stupid death in a bad situation and end up failing the solo. That's also an issue with any solo, but the Shadow is - as you've so thoroughly explained - especially finicky to solo with, and gargantuan, medgel-exhausting mistakes are far easier to make. ... I can see why this isn't fun for everyone - but it's exactly this part that made it fun for me. (It IS also the part where I said "Fuck it!", when I tried it on Platinum)
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 12, 2016 12:26:18 GMT
I'm at that weird place where I'll happily declare that on a bonus power/melee Shadow, duration spec actually increases damage output enough to offset the lower direct bonus, but genuinely not care enough to bother arguing with the people who still insist otherwise. I've been chilling here for quite some time - nice to see some traffic here.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Sept 12, 2016 12:33:03 GMT
overall, yes cloak is buggy as hell as well as shadow strike but you can definitely run full melee and do work on gold. platinum, not so much because it's just a damage contest but then again, only a handful of things are platinum viable anyway. i disagree, my build is plat viable unless u're playing on a crappy host. I skip ES because i hate that power. Wraith is light enough to get 2 shadowstrikes in 1 cloak and does excellent damage against bosses. My build, equipment and approach are identical except for my duration cloak (unique justifiable variety among Infiltrators) and Piranha as my weapon of choice. I'm really not a Wraith fan myself. I alternate between Berzerker Gear and Geth Scanner depending on host issues. Geth Scanner can help immeasurably with SS tracking, but if I know I'm on a good host, or my own, I'll take Berzerker Gear. As I've said earlier my priority is, and will always remain, one-hit-insta-killing Phantoms on Gold (which doesn't require Berzerker Gear). I haven't tried it on Plat, but I'd rather make my approach work than spec into ES. Nice work OP on the Plat solo.
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