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Post by bekkael on Apr 23, 2017 20:49:34 GMT
I want to know why/how he took the Hyperion, and left the Nexus alone, since the ark was docked at the Nexus. If he took over the Nexus and the other ships, the Initiative would be no more. It didn't matter if Ryder gets to Meridian first. He was obsessed with finding Meridian. Even Primus mentions that to Archon. I'm curious what the kett will do with the archon dead. It's pretty interesting if you finish the dissension in the ranks quest after you kill the Archon. Basically, archon seems to be a title like general, and the game mentions there are other archons in other systems. After the archon we fight dies, his second in command (can't recall the character name right now) fully returns all the other Kett to the original focus of the mission in Heleus, which is to exalt everyone, essentially. The remnant stuff was a personal obsession for the archon that wasn't sanctioned by Kett command.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 23, 2017 21:31:28 GMT
On point 1, we DO know that. The game tells us this. Commander Do Xeel gives you this intel. she's talking about the kett on that planet. Not the kett in general. No, she's talking about kett in general. The codex mentions that the kett dislike technology, only using it as a means to an end, favoring advancements in biology. The codex specifically mentions that kett dislike VI. It stands to reason they would abhor AI, which is why Do Xeel mentions the kets's general dislike for AI/VI in her email.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 23, 2017 21:48:58 GMT
she's talking about the kett on that planet. Not the kett in general. No, she's talking about kett in general. The codex mentions that the kett dislike technology, only using it as a means to an end, favoring advancements in biology. The codex specifically mentions that kett dislike VI. It stands to reason they would abhor AI, which is why Do Xeel mentions the kets's general dislike for AI/VI in her email. Nope. You're saying that someone who never been in kett base nor seen what the kett forces are in other places and the fact states that every Argarain that tried to do so never comes back is going to know all the detail of what the kett have and don't have in general? And you complain about holes in the plot?
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 23, 2017 23:11:55 GMT
No, she's talking about kett in general. The codex mentions that the kett dislike technology, only using it as a means to an end, favoring advancements in biology. The codex specifically mentions that kett dislike VI. It stands to reason they would abhor AI, which is why Do Xeel mentions the kets's general dislike for AI/VI in her email. Nope. You're saying that someone who never been in kett base nor seen what the kett forces are in other places and the fact states that every Argarain that tried to do so never comes back is going to know all the detail of what the kett have and don't have in general? And you complain about holes in the plot? Your sentence structure is confusing, but YOU'VE ALSO never been in a kett base, so I'm not sure what you're getting at! The codex is the codex. We're just supposed to accept the codex for what it's worth, but you're bringing up my own original point: The game makes a statement/fact, but then the game itself provides evidence otherwise. The codex says the kett prefer to advance their biology over technology. The codex also says that the kett shun VI--and it can be easily extrapolated that the kett shun AI, as Do Xeel writes in her email. Despite this in-game evidence, the archon is able to use SAM perfectly, only using flashes of Ryder's memory (which essentially consists of family picnics and sex with Ellen) in order to figure out how the implant works, and then use the Ryder sibling to control SAM to control Meridian). So, you've just proven my point. The game says one thing, but then does something completely different. The game FAILS at providing justification for the archon's takeover of SAM. The archon shouldn't have the skills or the know-how, but he does, because: reasons, or plot device.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 23, 2017 23:41:15 GMT
It's pretty interesting if you finish the dissension in the ranks quest after you kill the Archon. Basically, archon seems to be a title like general, and the game mentions there are other archons in other systems. After the archon we fight dies, his second in command (can't recall the character name right now) fully returns all the other Kett to the original focus of the mission in Heleus, which is to exalt everyone, essentially. The remnant stuff was a personal obsession for the archon that wasn't sanctioned by Kett command. I did not know about that after completing the game since I haven't completed any missions after the main story. I figured they would regroup before continuing. With Primus taking over, I would believe he would call his leaders for reinforcements to replace the ones that were lost. I believe the leaders would send a larger force to the cluster to help Primus. Anyways. The kett are the biggest threat even after Archie dies. They know the locations of all outposts. They know the location of the Nexus and Meridian. Having a larger force on hand, will make them extremely hard to stop. How long would it take to send more forces? Don't know. I'm curious what will happen with them in a dlc or the next game
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 24, 2017 0:28:08 GMT
Nope. You're saying that someone who never been in kett base nor seen what the kett forces are in other places and the fact states that every Argarain that tried to do so never comes back is going to know all the detail of what the kett have and don't have in general? And you complain about holes in the plot? Your sentence structure is confusing, but YOU'VE ALSO never been in a kett base, so I'm not sure what you're getting at! The codex is the codex. We're just supposed to accept the codex for what it's worth, but you're bringing up my own original point: The game makes a statement/fact, but then the game itself provides evidence otherwise. The codex says the kett prefer to advance their biology over technology. The codex also says that the kett shun VI--and it can be easily extrapolated that the kett shun AI, as Do Xeel writes in her email. Despite this in-game evidence, the archon is able to use SAM perfectly, only using flashes of Ryder's memory (which essentially consists of family picnics and sex with Ellen) in order to figure out how the implant works, and then use the Ryder sibling to control SAM to control Meridian). So, you've just proven my point. The game says one thing, but then does something completely different. The game FAILS at providing justification for the archon's takeover of SAM. The archon shouldn't have the skills or the know-how, but he does, because: reasons, or plot device. Please show the codex stating that the kett has no AI. I'll help...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kett "The kett possess technology that is comparable in advancement to the Andromeda Initiative, but have an unparalleled mastery of biotechnology and medical technology. Bio-engineered components are used in all of their machines and devices. Instead of conventional research and development programs, kett prefer to improve their technology incrementally by taking features and designs from other species' technology. Soon after the Andromeda Initiative came into contact with the kett, the kett began weaving aspects of Initiative tech into their own." Please point to me how a race with the equal level of tech of the Initiative can't hack our tech that's equal level of there's. also, how someone who never been deep into the compound of the kett untill ryder showed up knows they don't have AI? Links to proof please.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 24, 2017 7:27:05 GMT
Nope. You're saying that someone who never been in kett base nor seen what the kett forces are in other places and the fact states that every Argarain that tried to do so never comes back is going to know all the detail of what the kett have and don't have in general? And you complain about holes in the plot? Your sentence structure is confusing, but YOU'VE ALSO never been in a kett base, so I'm not sure what you're getting at! The codex is the codex. We're just supposed to accept the codex for what it's worth, but you're bringing up my own original point: The game makes a statement/fact, but then the game itself provides evidence otherwise. The codex says the kett prefer to advance their biology over technology. The codex also says that the kett shun VI--and it can be easily extrapolated that the kett shun AI, as Do Xeel writes in her email. Despite this in-game evidence, the archon is able to use SAM perfectly, only using flashes of Ryder's memory (which essentially consists of family picnics and sex with Ellen) in order to figure out how the implant works, and then use the Ryder sibling to control SAM to control Meridian). So, you've just proven my point. The game says one thing, but then does something completely different. The game FAILS at providing justification for the archon's takeover of SAM. The archon shouldn't have the skills or the know-how, but he does, because: reasons, or plot device. You're attempting to place the Archon into s neat little box defined by "most kett", or "kett generally do X". The game shows quite clearly that the Archon does not adhere to typical kett norms. He's been pursuing Remnant technology for decades, which is something that is so aberrant that it's causing rifts within his forces. The question of how he understands SAM's tech is a good one; but lack of an in-game answer doesn't mean there isn't a good one. Would it have been "good writing" to feature a scene in which the Archon explains his understanding of AI? Sounds superfluous to me.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 24, 2017 7:55:03 GMT
Your sentence structure is confusing, but YOU'VE ALSO never been in a kett base, so I'm not sure what you're getting at! The codex is the codex. We're just supposed to accept the codex for what it's worth, but you're bringing up my own original point: The game makes a statement/fact, but then the game itself provides evidence otherwise. The codex says the kett prefer to advance their biology over technology. The codex also says that the kett shun VI--and it can be easily extrapolated that the kett shun AI, as Do Xeel writes in her email. Despite this in-game evidence, the archon is able to use SAM perfectly, only using flashes of Ryder's memory (which essentially consists of family picnics and sex with Ellen) in order to figure out how the implant works, and then use the Ryder sibling to control SAM to control Meridian). So, you've just proven my point. The game says one thing, but then does something completely different. The game FAILS at providing justification for the archon's takeover of SAM. The archon shouldn't have the skills or the know-how, but he does, because: reasons, or plot device. Please show the codex stating that the kett has no AI. I'll help...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kett "The kett possess technology that is comparable in advancement to the Andromeda Initiative, but have an unparalleled mastery of biotechnology and medical technology. Bio-engineered components are used in all of their machines and devices. Instead of conventional research and development programs, kett prefer to improve their technology incrementally by taking features and designs from other species' technology. Soon after the Andromeda Initiative came into contact with the kett, the kett began weaving aspects of Initiative tech into their own." Please point to me how a race with the equal level of tech of the Initiative can't hack our tech that's equal level of there's. also, how someone who never been deep into the compound of the kett untill ryder showed up knows they don't have AI? Links to proof please. You can go back to the exact same page and look up the codex where it states the kett shun VI. If the kett shun VI, why would they accept AI? Plus, as I've already said, the Do Xeel tells us that the kett shun AI as well. You simply choose to believe it's a single camp of kett who believe otherwise.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 24, 2017 8:08:22 GMT
Your sentence structure is confusing, but YOU'VE ALSO never been in a kett base, so I'm not sure what you're getting at! The codex is the codex. We're just supposed to accept the codex for what it's worth, but you're bringing up my own original point: The game makes a statement/fact, but then the game itself provides evidence otherwise. The codex says the kett prefer to advance their biology over technology. The codex also says that the kett shun VI--and it can be easily extrapolated that the kett shun AI, as Do Xeel writes in her email. Despite this in-game evidence, the archon is able to use SAM perfectly, only using flashes of Ryder's memory (which essentially consists of family picnics and sex with Ellen) in order to figure out how the implant works, and then use the Ryder sibling to control SAM to control Meridian). So, you've just proven my point. The game says one thing, but then does something completely different. The game FAILS at providing justification for the archon's takeover of SAM. The archon shouldn't have the skills or the know-how, but he does, because: reasons, or plot device. You're attempting to place the Archon into s neat little box defined by "most kett", or "kett generally do X". The game shows quite clearly that the Archon does not adhere to typical kett norms. He's been pursuing Remnant technology for decades, which is something that is so aberrant that it's causing rifts within his forces. The question of how he understands SAM's tech is a good one; but lack of an in-game answer doesn't mean there isn't a good one. Would it have been "good writing" to feature a scene in which the Archon explains his understanding of AI? Sounds superfluous to me. My point is the archon is the aberration. He alone tries to understand the remnant. He only has his knowledge/experience to draw from. The game doesn't have to explain his mastery of AI in-game: There exists a codex. It would have been "smart writing" for BW to support their ludicrous plot point, now plot hole in my mind by including the archon's mastery of SAM in the codex. It took Alec years to build and perfect SAM, but Alec must have been a retard bc it only took, what, a few weeks for the archon to learn and control everything--and all from Ryder's memory flashes of family fun time? I guess the kett really are superior, and masters of the universe. There are other examples that show BW isn't exactly on top of things. People point out how the science of ME often breaks the laws of physics. I work the the medical field, and wondered what the hell kind of physical exams Lexi was doing, and questioned the ethics of her giving Ryder a surprise shot. Sure, she's an alien, but the Initiative is human founded, and she seems to subscribe HIPPA laws, mostly, but hey, whatever is plot convenient, I suppose?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 24, 2017 17:06:46 GMT
Please show the codex stating that the kett has no AI. I'll help...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kett "The kett possess technology that is comparable in advancement to the Andromeda Initiative, but have an unparalleled mastery of biotechnology and medical technology. Bio-engineered components are used in all of their machines and devices. Instead of conventional research and development programs, kett prefer to improve their technology incrementally by taking features and designs from other species' technology. Soon after the Andromeda Initiative came into contact with the kett, the kett began weaving aspects of Initiative tech into their own." Please point to me how a race with the equal level of tech of the Initiative can't hack our tech that's equal level of there's. also, how someone who never been deep into the compound of the kett untill ryder showed up knows they don't have AI? Links to proof please. You can go back to the exact same page and look up the codex where it states the kett shun VI. If the kett shun VI, why would they accept AI? Plus, as I've already said, the Do Xeel tells us that the kett shun AI as well. You simply choose to believe it's a single camp of kett who believe otherwise. sorry. I does not say that there at all. Could you link it to me please?
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Post by qwib on Apr 24, 2017 19:08:44 GMT
Please show the codex stating that the kett has no AI. I'll help...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Kett "The kett possess technology that is comparable in advancement to the Andromeda Initiative, but have an unparalleled mastery of biotechnology and medical technology. Bio-engineered components are used in all of their machines and devices. Instead of conventional research and development programs, kett prefer to improve their technology incrementally by taking features and designs from other species' technology. Soon after the Andromeda Initiative came into contact with the kett, the kett began weaving aspects of Initiative tech into their own." Please point to me how a race with the equal level of tech of the Initiative can't hack our tech that's equal level of there's. also, how someone who never been deep into the compound of the kett untill ryder showed up knows they don't have AI? Links to proof please. You can go back to the exact same page and look up the codex where it states the kett shun VI. If the kett shun VI, why would they accept AI? Plus, as I've already said, the Do Xeel tells us that the kett shun AI as well. You simply choose to believe it's a single camp of kett who believe otherwise. And how is that relevant what the Kett usually do, when we talk specifically about the Archon? The Archon will use any means neccesary to obtain Meridian for DECADES now. That's why you can see Kett FIGHTING other Kett. That is why you can make a deal with the Cardinal, regarding the Archon. That is why the Archon simply didn't blow up the AI on Voeld. No he has basically built Fort Knox above it to do more research. It's like saying BW doesn't care about the Codex, because Alec Ryder build SAM. It's pretty much established that AI's are illigel in the Milky Way. You humans are all racist!
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Post by kitcat1228 on Apr 25, 2017 7:45:46 GMT
The Codex in MEA is written by SAM and is limited to what he and Ryder learn.
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